Groy & Bodine = $4.6 mil in salary cap at center

[Punt75]

These two centers were awful today.  Bodine was ranked 28th out of the starting centers in the NFL. Why did they sign him?   Ryan Groy was supposed to be Woods replacement at Center yet he's 2nd string at guard & center.  I see nothing at all positive from him.

 

New England pays their center $800,000.  

 

Any explanation???

[BobDVA]

yeah, he is called Gino Atkins!

[Dadonkadonk]

Groy was fine at center before Castillo arrived.  The Bodine signing makes no sense just as the Trent Murphy, Ivory, and Star signings make no sense.  Beane's free agency moves are a total fail so far.  McD was much better on his own.  Add giving away draft picks to move up in the draft and not getting any draft comp for Gilmore, and Beane looks like an idiot.  I don't trust him with all the cap space next year.  At this point I would take McD as GM/HC assuming it was him and not Whaley that ran FA/Draft before Beane arrived.

[JerseyBills]

Looked like miscommunication and lack of chemistry on the line as a whole. They've been rotating to much at C and LG , add a QB competition and I'd bet the house that the majority of the problem today was just miscommunication versus a very good DL. 

Playing without your very good LT as well, McD wanted to examine individual play , it looked like very little game planning was involved and McD just wanted to look at what guys can and can't do ,to have a set 5 with 2 weeks to prepare for the Real games. Which is what you're supposed to do in a scrimmage, why show any of ur hand ?

[John from Riverside]

In all honestly I would cut Bodine and go with Redmond at backup C (or find a vet in cuts)

 

Bodine is AWEFUL

[Jpsredemption]

22 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Groy was fine at center before Castillo arrived.  The Bodine signing makes no sense just as the Trent Murphy, Ivory, and Star signings make no sense.  Beane's free agency moves are a total fail so far.  McD was much better on his own.  Add giving away draft picks to move up in the draft and not getting any draft comp for Gilmore, and Beane looks like an idiot.  I don't trust him with all the cap space next year.  At this point I would take McD as GM/HC assuming it was him and not Whaley that ran FA/Draft before Beane arrived.

You are not allow to raise valid points about how this offseason was a joke.

 

And it all began with jumping the gun on 2 over the hill vets..Davis and Ivory.

[wppete]

I’m starting to question how McBean is giving out these contract. We are paying a fullback we rarely use $2.1million! 

[mrags]

11 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said:

You are not allow to raise valid points about how this offseason was a joke.

 

And it all began with jumping the gun on 2 over the hill vets..Davis and Ivory.

Say what you will about the moves but Ivory is by far one of the better moves this team has made. Unless watching The Toldozer last year got you excited. We easily upgraded at the position compared to last year. And I’ll add when McCoy was out we were in Trouble. That won’t be the case this year. 

 

And say say what you will about Davis. I think he played terrible today too. However he was trying to match up against a guy that runs in the 4.2s. Not a single corner in the league is going to match up with him. 

[thenorthremembers]

4 minutes ago, mrags said:

Say what you will about the moves but Ivory is by far one of the better moves this team has made. Unless watching The Toldozer last year got you excited. We easily upgraded at the position compared to last year. And I’ll add when McCoy was out we were in Trouble. That won’t be the case this year. 

 

And say say what you will about Davis. I think he played terrible today too. However he was trying to match up against a guy that runs in the 4.2s. Not a single corner in the league is going to match up with him. 

You had me until you said not a single corner in the league can match up with John Ross. He has 1 career catch, and the team who drafted him in the first round considered moving him to corner.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Punt75 said:

These two centers were awful today.  Bodine was ranked 28th out of the starting centers in the NFL. Why did they sign him?   Ryan Groy was supposed to be Woods replacement at Center yet he's 2nd string at guard & center.  I see nothing at all positive from him.

 

New England pays their center $800,000.  

 

Any explanation???

 

It was bad

[mrags]

53 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

You had me until you said not a single corner in the league can match up with John Ross. He has 1 career catch, and the team who drafted him in the first round considered moving him to corner.

I wasn’t simply stating nobody is going to keep up with him. At the end of the day the guys still runs like a 4.27 or something like that. 

 

Davis was bad today. But much of it was because he wasn’t fast enough to keep up with the fastest man in the nfl. 

[apuszczalowski]

If he was ranked 28th, he was atleast starting caliber, and not the worst

Not much else can be done with Woods sudden retirement

[Marv's Neighbor]

Injured?? Call Groy & Bodine.

[Trogdor]

12 hours ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Groy was fine at center before Castillo arrived.  The Bodine signing makes no sense just as the Trent Murphy, Ivory, and Star signings make no sense.  Beane's free agency moves are a total fail so far.  McD was much better on his own.  Add giving away draft picks to move up in the draft and not getting any draft comp for Gilmore, and Beane looks like an idiot.  I don't trust him with all the cap space next year.  At this point I would take McD as GM/HC assuming it was him and not Whaley that ran FA/Draft before Beane arrived.

Whaley was really good at FA, but not great at the draft. That being said, outside of qb, a lot of his draft picks are still in the league. Beane reminds me of Tim Murray more and more everyday.

11 hours ago, apuszczalowski said:

If he was ranked 28th, he was atleast starting caliber, and not the worst

Not much else can be done with Woods sudden retirement

That's 28th amongst starters. I've see a few that had him last.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

11 hours ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

Injured?? Call Groy & Bodine.

 

1888888888'

 

[billsbackto81]

11 hours ago, Marv's Neighbor said:

Injured?? Call Groy & Bodine.

1-800-UNBLOCK

Edited August 27, 2018 by billsbackto81

[Chandler#81]

12 hours ago, Jpsredemption said:

You are not allow to raise valid points about how this offseason was a joke.

 

And it all began with jumping the gun on 2 over the hill vets..Davis and Ivory.

 

I’d add in 2 costly hasBeens/neverweres in Star & T. Murphy. 

Its all just a fun challenge to us fans. ‘Can you keep up your enthusiasm amid This??’ 

They're playing for keeps in this challenge.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Play Groy at RG.

[Mango]

15 hours ago, wppete said:

I’m starting to question how McBean is giving out these contract. We are paying a fullback we rarely use $2.1million! 

 

What don’t you understand? We are clearing out all of our bad contracts we have to quality football players at important positions, so we can over spend on really bad depth, and unimportant positions. 

 

Its the process...

 

(Sarcasm)

Edited August 27, 2018 by Mango

[Jpsredemption]

2 hours ago, Mango said:

 

What don’t you understand? We are clearing out all of our bad contracts we have to quality football players at important positions, so we can over spend on really bad depth, and unimportant positions. 

 

Its the process...

Aka we want to bring in "our guys" which is code for we don't want to develop someone else's talent or be tough and try and adapt to their shortfalls. 

 

This is a sign of a poor plan

[Mango]

1 minute ago, Jpsredemption said:

Aka we want to bring in "our guys" which is code for we don't want to develop someone else's talent or be tough and try and adapt to their shortfalls. 

 

This is a sign of a poor plan

I totally agree with you, my post was totally sarcastic. 

[Jpsredemption]

1 minute ago, Mango said:

I totally agree with you, my post was totally sarcastic. 

I know..we are on the same page..lol

[Mark Vader]

16 hours ago, Punt75 said:

These two centers were awful today.  Bodine was ranked 28th out of the starting centers in the NFL. Why did they sign him?   Ryan Groy was supposed to be Woods replacement at Center yet he's 2nd string at guard & center.  I see nothing at all positive from him.

 

New England pays their center $800,000.  

 

Any explanation???

Kraft is cheap

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Trogdor said:

Whaley was really good at FA, but not great at the draft. That being said, outside of qb, a lot of his draft picks are still in the league. Beane reminds me of Tim Murray more and more everyday.

That's 28th amongst starters. I've see a few that had him last.

 

Whaley was good in the draft, too.  His draft picks are sprinkled all over the NFL on playoff teams, including SB winning Philly.   His problem was that when the Bills hired a new HC, they always hired one who wanted to start from scratch with his own players in his own system rather than change his system to fit the players he had.  

16 hours ago, Punt75 said:

These two centers were awful today.  Bodine was ranked 28th out of the starting centers in the NFL. Why did they sign him?   Ryan Groy was supposed to be Woods replacement at Center yet he's 2nd string at guard & center.  I see nothing at all positive from him.

 

New England pays their center $800,000.  

 

Any explanation???

 

He's on his rookie contract.  Unless they're first rounders, OLers don't get paid a lot.

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Whaley was good in the draft, too.  His draft picks are sprinkled all over the NFL on playoff teams, including SB winning Philly.   His problem was that when the Bills hired a new HC, they always hired one who wanted to start from scratch with his own players in his own system rather than change his system to fit the players he had.  

 

I read a stat a few months ago (trying to find to confirm), that in the years Whaley was named GM (13-17) he has more starters in the NFL than any GM in the league. 

Edited August 27, 2018 by Mango

[wppete]

3 hours ago, Mango said:

 

What don’t you understand? We are clearing out all of our bad contracts we have to quality football players at important positions, so we can over spend on really bad depth, and unimportant positions. 

 

Its the process...

 

Paying a FullBack that we use very little $2.1 million a year is not a good contract. 

[Mango]

1 minute ago, wppete said:

 

Paying a FullBack that we use very little $2.1 million a year is not a good contract. 

 

sarcasm dude. 

[wppete]

6 minutes ago, Mango said:

 

sarcasm dude. 

 

Sorry dude I thought you were serious. That game yesterday really got me down on the Bills this year. 

[Kmart128]

Bodine at Center and Groy at Guard seemed like our best lineup yesterday... Still wasn't good but much better than Ducasse and Miller getting blown up every play

[Trogdor]

2 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Whaley was good in the draft, too.  His draft picks are sprinkled all over the NFL on playoff teams, including SB winning Philly.   His problem was that when the Bills hired a new HC, they always hired one who wanted to start from scratch with his own players in his own system rather than change his system to fit the players he had.  

 

He's on his rookie contract.  Unless they're first rounders, OLers don't get paid a lot.

The Pegulas have screwed up quite a bit in both franchises. It's crazy to me that your GM isn't selecting the coach.

[Malazan]

I don't really have anything to say I just wanted to be part of a ridiculous panic thread.

[Comebackkid]

6 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

1-800-UNBLOCK

1-800-NOBLOCK

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Trogdor said:

The Pegulas have screwed up quite a bit in both franchises. It's crazy to me that your GM isn't selecting the coach.

 

I feel the same.   Coaches think in the short term, usually now, and maybe next week or the week after.  GMs are supposed to be the guys who think in the long term, next season, the season after that.   A long term mind set is critical for managing personnel within the salary cap, too. 

 

I truly feel that not having a GM who is truly "in charge" of the team, including selecting the HC and making final personnel decision, has been the biggest reason that the Bills have wallowed in mediocrity or worse since John Butler departed.   If the GM selects the HC, he can pick a guy who fits his philosophy and whose willing to adapt to the players that are already there.  Just because a team has a rough year or multiple years doesn't mean that all the players are crappy.   Even though Cleveland went 0-16 last season, they still had some talented players, particularly on defense.   If your team has a great 3-4 D, changing to a 4-3 that doesn't suit your personnel on the whim of your newly hired HC -- who may be a first time HC at that -- is a prescription for guaranteeing a long rebuild. 

[Trogdor]

21 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

I feel the same.   Coaches think in the short term, usually now, and maybe next week or the week after.  GMs are supposed to be the guys who think in the long term, next season, the season after that.   A long term mind set is critical for managing personnel within the salary cap, too. 

 

I truly feel that not having a GM who is truly "in charge" of the team, including selecting the HC and making final personnel decision, has been the biggest reason that the Bills have wallowed in mediocrity or worse since John Butler departed.   If the GM selects the HC, he can pick a guy who fits his philosophy and whose willing to adapt to the players that are already there.  Just because a team has a rough year or multiple years doesn't mean that all the players are crappy.   Even though Cleveland went 0-16 last season, they still had some talented players, particularly on defense.   If your team has a great 3-4 D, changing to a 4-3 that doesn't suit your personnel on the whim of your newly hired HC -- who may be a first time HC at that -- is a prescription for guaranteeing a long rebuild. 

It seems to me that they fired Murray in one league and went right out and signed his twin in the other. Both are young, untested, and arrogant guys that made questionable trades and contract decisions almost immediately. 

[LABILLBACKER]

19 hours ago, wppete said:

I’m starting to question how McBean is giving out these contract. We are paying a fullback we rarely use $2.1million! 

Yeah why is DiMarco still on this team? All 3 Centers looked bad, but not as bad as Miller.

[Joe Miner]

Is Groy a better guard than either Ducasse or Miller?

 

Bodine at center with Groy and Teller as guards?

 

5 best guys on the field?