YoloinOhio Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) Great article in TBN https://buffalonews.com/2018/08/21/fixing-footwork-has-allowed-josh-allen-to-make-big-strides-with-the-bills/ Some may not have access so a couple excerpts: Quote It started in January, in Dana Point, Calif., where Jordan Palmer trains current and future NFL quarterbacks. The objective was to fix Josh Allen's footwork well enough to allow his many physical gifts — size, strength, athleticism and that cannon of an arm — to flourish to where there would be no doubt about him becoming a premium NFL draft pick in April. "I had a problem with a long front step and that was causing my elbow to drop, and it was throwing off the entire sequence within the hip and the shoulder and the arm coming through," Allen told The Buffalo News this week. "So when I keep that steady and I can take a small front stride and get (the left foot) down, my lead step, as fast as possible, the ball comes out quicker, it comes out cleaner, my throwing motion is less violent and that equals more accurate balls." Enter Palmer, a renowned QB guru whose students include Sam Darnold, Deshaun Watson, Blake Bortles, Sean Mannion, and Palmer's older brother, Carson, who had an accomplished NFL career. By choosing Palmer as his tutor, the Central California-born Allen wasn't merely looking for the convenience of someone relatively closeby. He was looking for the kind of results that could be worth millions of dollars. After three months of intense, six-days-a-week, two-hours-per-day sessions with Palmer, Allen managed to convince the Buffalo Bills to make the necessary trades to move up to the seventh overall pick to select the former Wyoming star. What I determined about Josh was, if you looked at his tape in college, his feet would be close together — closer than you want — and he was bouncing up on his toes. When you're bouncing up on your toes and your feet are eight to 10 inches apart, when you go to throw, you're going to go back down to put all your cleats in the ground, and then you're in a position where you're going to overstride. You're going to step with your left foot farther than you need to. "That may sound like this little, tiny, cute detail, but it's actually super, super relevant because when you overstride, you can't do other things you need to do. It's going to make you lean, whether that's forward, backwards. If you lean to the side, that's going to drop your elbow down (and cause you to) throw sidearm. So because his feet were jacked, he kind of had a different drill every time. It's hard to be consistent." When Palmer began working with Allen, he didn't force him into adopting conventional parameters that some quarterback coaches insist their students follow. For instance, Palmer doesn't think a QB's feet must be 16 inches apart or shoulder width or any specific distance. Instead, the first thing he does with his clients is have them jump as high as possible multiple times, land, and look down. "And I'll say, 'OK, that is your base. We're going to operate within a couple inches inside or outside of that base,'" Palmer said. "From there, I got to the root of the problem: his feet. He's overstriding. And I go, 'Well, why are you overstriding? Because your base is too narrow. You're putting yourself in a position where you have to overstride. So let's not fix the overstride, let's fix the base.' " Edited August 22, 2018 by YoloinOhio 15 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 ...great find Yolo......Palmer is yet another ex-QB that really likes this kid............. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Good read. I like the whole concept of having Allen jump up as high as he could a bunch of times and then look at his feet when he landed, and calling that his base. That was an interesting approach 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 I remember one of his first interviews after he was drafted, he was asked about the criticism of his accuracy and he said (paraphrase) “I know exactly what the problem is. It’s my footwork. I’ve been working on that” 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 The Bills MVP this year might be Jordan Plamer, who'd have thunk it. He seems like a great teacher. I'd imagine he will be a very busy man going into the 2019 draft. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) His completion rate so far is exactly what it was in college. Edited August 22, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: His completion rate so far is exactly what it was in college. That's fine as long as his accuracy is better and his mechanics are improving. I believe he will complete more passes with more accurate throws. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: His completion rate so far is exactly what it was in college. Maybe he can go on to be a backup/insurance salesman like all the Bama QBs ? 3 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...great find Yolo......Palmer is yet another ex-QB that really likes this kid............. He's also being paid by Allen, so he's not exactly impartial. Still, the better Josh performs, the better advertising it is for Palmer... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 22, 2018 Author Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: He's also being paid by Allen, so he's not exactly impartial. Still, the better Josh performs, the better advertising it is for Palmer... Darnold too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, ddaryl said: Good read. I like the whole concept of having Allen jump up as high as he could a bunch of times and then look at his feet when he landed, and calling that his base. That was an interesting approach I used to use that to determine a stance on a snowboard! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Lurker said: He's also being paid by Allen, so he's not exactly impartial. Still, the better Josh performs, the better advertising it is for Palmer... Results look good though.... No denying that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 (edited) Jordan Palmer needs to be a QB coach on some team. Edited August 22, 2018 by Buffalo Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring it Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Awesome stuff! Apparently Allen is very coachable and learns quickly. That’s not much time to put it into his game even under pressure, so far. Kid has poise!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 This reminds me of putting glasses on Ricky Vaughn in Major League. 7 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Great article in TBN https://buffalonews.com/2018/08/21/fixing-footwork-has-allowed-josh-allen-to-make-big-strides-with-the-bills/ Some may not have access so a couple excerpts: Dam you hope and optimism- get away from me!! I’ve been fooled so many times. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 If Josh Allen becomes a franchise QB and leads us to a Super Bowl victory (or victories), he needs to be on the Wall. Scratch that, build a statue of Palmer working with Allen on his footwork. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 19 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Maybe he can go on to be a backup/insurance salesman like all the Bama QBs ? AJ delivers pizza, we need guys like that. Don’t hate on Bama. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 heel, toe...heel, toe...heel, toe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: If Josh Allen becomes a franchise QB and leads us to a Super Bowl victory (or victories), he needs to be on the Wall. Scratch that, build a statue of Palmer working with Allen on his footwork. Palmer with hands on knees staring at Allen's landing spot, Allen suspended midair. I like it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 32 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: His completion rate so far is exactly what it was in college. His last game was 75%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Just now, Doc said: His last game was 75%. And Sunday it will be a very respectable 68.8%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 11 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: If Josh Allen becomes a franchise QB and leads us to a Super Bowl victory (or victories), he needs to be on the Wall. Scratch that, build a statue of Palmer working with Allen on his footwork. On the Wall??? Stew Barber’s On the Wall, ferchristsake! Multiple SBs rate Route #17, Josh Allen Expressway, Allen Park, Joshua Tree Resort! etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Royale with Cheese Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: On the Wall??? Stew Barber’s On the Wall, ferchristsake! Multiple SBs rate Route #17, Josh Allen Expressway, Allen Park, Joshua Tree Resort! etc. I think Palmer should have at least something named after him. What about a small pond near Orchard Park? Palmer's Pond? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, teef said: heel, toe...heel, toe...heel, toe. 1 or 2? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: Look at the bright side with Lamar Jackson....he would probably be in the top 30 in the NBA in 3 point percentage at 36%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I think Palmer should have at least something named after him. What about a small pond near Orchard Park? Palmer's Pond? maybe a wading pool at the stadium for young, restless kids.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Great read. Amazing the difference in such an incredibly short period of time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: LAMAR JACKSON Man, I just could''t see why people were enamored with him. am I glad the Bills picked one my top 2. (both named Josh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 23 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Jordan Palmer needs to be a QB coach on some team. .....probably does just fine free lancing as an instructor at his own pace versus being tied to the rigors of one team...... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: 1 or 2? I have a feeling you tried both of these moves in the mirror this morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Chandler#81 said: maybe a wading pool at the stadium for young, restless kids.. ...maybe Dunkirk Don could name his new dome, "Jordan Palmer Stadium"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: I have a feeling you tried both of these moves in the mirror this morning. BUSTED!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...maybe Dunkirk Don could name his new dome, "Jordan Palmer Stadium"..... Ha! No thanks. Headin’ down to ‘JP’ to see the game gives me flashbacks? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 See this is the major flaw of analytics - it relies solely on the past to predict the future. It can't take into account the impact of a coach identifying a flaw, or a player spending untold hours fixing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 29 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Jordan Palmer needs to be a QB coach on some team. If Allen continues to look as good as he does, Palmer s going to be in very high demand, he can coach multiple QBs and get paid a lot, lot of money. I recall Palmer interview talking about how great Allen could be, i thought it was self serving but everything he said seems to be coming true and more so. Very impressive interview and the results so far back him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Blah blah blah, Palmer sucked as a QB! Blah blah blah, Palmer is just going to get in the way of the Bills coach! Blah blah blah, QBs can't possibly improve accuracy. Glad to see some of these pre pre-season narratives starting to melt away. I think the best part of that article is that is shows Allen is willing to work and listen to those that can help, to learn and correct his flaws. Can't wait to see where we go from here! ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 46 minutes ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: Jordan Palmer needs to be a QB coach on some team. He probably wouldn't want to take a pay cut to become any team's QB coach. 25 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Stop obfuscating with details and facts. 2 minutes ago, Heitz said: Blah blah blah, Palmer sucked as a QB! Blah blah blah, Palmer is just going to get in the way of the Bills coach! Blah blah blah, QBs can't possibly improve accuracy. Glad to see some of these pre pre-season narratives starting to melt away. I think the best part of that article is that is shows Allen is willing to work and listen to those that can help, to learn and correct his flaws. Can't wait to see where we go from here! ? And he's smart enough to take the lessons to heart and do the work required. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 this is great to hear. I am loving Allen so far. Hope he starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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