Kyles knee...status update, walking without sleeve

[SouthNYfan]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

ACL is usually what goes prior to MCL.

 

ACL-> MCL --> Medial meniscus in that order.

Maj may be fully correct that it's an ACL, but I was just saying that's not able to be guessed just from the brace.

Looking at the video it could be any of those 3, or all 3.

Sometimes you get lucky and it's just an MCL with that hit, let's hope.

Edited August 18, 2018 by SouthNYfan

[FluffHead]

Not an ACL,per Rapoport 

[MAJBobby]

3 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

False.

That brace is precautionary for almost all on the spot knee injuries where they feel there may be some internal damage.

I've seen it for a minor quad strain applied on the spot.

Kyle is a big dude, like really big.

It could also be related to MCL, LCL, meniscus, quad tendon, hamstring, all sorts of stuff.

It only immobilizes the knee so the muscles and supportive structures around the knee are not being relied on to keep it straight.

It may very well be an ACL, it could also be 50 other things.

 

So my experience has been false. Thanks for letting me know. Now I will go tell my Drs they were false when they put me that brace. 

[PirateHookerMD]

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While the #Bills await test results for veteran DL Kyle Williams, who suffered a knee injury last night, the early word is that his ACL was spared. If the MRI confirms, it would mean Williams could return this season.

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[SouthNYfan]

11 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

That Brace he is leaving in tells me all i need to know. It is an ACL Injury 

 

3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

So my experience has been false. Thanks for letting me know. Now I will go tell my Drs they were false when they put me that brace. 

 

No.

Your experience was not false.

You had that brace with your ACL injuries.

Your assertion that "it is an ACL injury" since you cannot say what injury he had based on the brace, as it is used for a multitude of knee injuries.

Try to read a little better next time.

[26CornerBlitz]

It's Horrible Harry Time!

[SouthNYfan]

5 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:

 

 

CRAZY.

I thought it was definitely an ACL injury maj.

I guess that brace telling you all you needed to know about it definitely being an ACL was spot on, huh?

11 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

That Brace he is leaving in tells me all i need to know. It is an ACL Injury 

 

Damn.

Thought it's all you needed to know.

[fansince88]

Just now, YoloinOhio said:

He needed the brace regardless given the hit to the knee. No crutches showed me it might not be acl. 

I knew it wasnt acl because he was wearing shorts....

[dubs]

16 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

False.

That brace is precautionary for almost all on the spot knee injuries where they feel there may be some internal damage.

I've seen it for a minor quad strain applied on the spot.

Kyle is a big dude, like really big.

It could also be related to MCL, LCL, meniscus, quad tendon, hamstring, all sorts of stuff.

It only immobilizes the knee so the muscles and supportive structures around the knee are not being relied on to keep it straight.

It may very well be an ACL, it could also be 50 other things.

 

Ha. Don’t try to explain, it’s not worth it. 

 

What you originally said was perfectly clear and absolutely correct. 

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[MiltonWaddams]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Ridiculous assessment 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, MiltonWaddams said:

Ridiculous assessment 

 

Based on Rapoport's tweet of no ACL tear it seems to be a rather accurate assessment. 

[MAJBobby]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Based on Rapoport's tweet of no ACL tear it seems to be a rather accurate assessment. 

 

No the Dr wouldnt know anything. 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Ridiculous assessment 

He's actually pretty reliable.  Not 100 or even 90 percent but it's up there.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Kyle is an all everything Bill and is impossible to criticize on a board like this...but our run defense has been so bad for so much of his career. A ton of variables in that time period, but he has been the constant. 

 

Kyle is a fan favorite, probably will be a wall of famer, all drought team, face of the Bills 2000’s..I bet with him out, we end up stopping the run better. Won’t be a popular opinion, won’t be agreed with, but we shall see. 

Edited August 18, 2018 by Brianmoorman4jesus

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

You can’t kid us......But then you peed and went back to bed, right? 

Lol no.  I get up at 6 for work.  Decided to watch the vids on the bb app ?

30 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Kyle is an all everything Bill and is impossible to criticize on a board like this...but our run defense has been so bad for so much of his career. A ton of variables in that time period, but he has been the constant. 

 

Kyle is a fan favorite, probably will be a wall of famer, all drought team, face of the Bills 2000’s..I bet with him out, we end up stopping the run better. Won’t be a popular opinion, don’t be agreed with, but we shall see. 

Can’t really argue with that.  I think Phillips may be our best DT at the moment

[BillsfanAZ]

13 hours ago, White Linen said:

 

As an Ortho PA

Looked like the trainer did just one test for a PCL or ACL and didnt feel the need to check it further. Could be wrong, but I’d bet he did not feel instability in either direction, and Kyle reassured him he felt ok. Likely a sprained ligament.

 

 

what area of Ortho are you in? My wife is an Ortho PA as well...hips and knees. 

[Beast]

14 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

That Brace he is leaving in tells me all i need to know. It is an ACL Injury 

 

Yeah, and they are going to let him walk around without crutches if it is that bad.

[Freddie's Dead]

Sad, sad scene.  Let's hope it's just a small sprain and he can play sometime this year.  We need the Meatball to shore up this spaghetti defense.

[Royale with Cheese]

Sucks...I just got over a sprained knee.

[Augie]

5 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Sucks...I just got over a sprained knee.

 

You realize, of course, that we’d all rather you have another one than anything bad happen to Kyle. Come on, take one for the team! 

[Boatdrinks]

3 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Ridiculous assessment 

I think the Doc nailed his assessment on the Pats* rookie OL. This sounds about right to me. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

 

You realize, of course, that we’d all rather you have another one than anything bad happen to Kyle. Come on, take one for the team! 

 

I would give Kyle my knee if I could.

[Misterbluesky]

13 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Brace not necessarily indicative of ACL injury. It's to immobilize the joint, which is standard treatment for a bunch of non-torn ligament related injuries. Bone bruise, meniscus, strain, etc. I've torn both ACLs and didn't wear a brace like that either time. 

I did...I tore my ACL down to the bone...meniscus was tore as well.My injury also happened on a friday...I got carved and zippered up the following Tuesday at St.Joe's ( Suburban Orthopedics- Dr.Kahler).I was in a hard cast for 4 weeks before starting rehab/PT...this was in 1992.Obviously "things" are more advanced these days.

[MAJBobby]

44 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Yeah, and they are going to let him walk around without crutches if it is that bad.

 

What else are you going to do to the knee when it is immobilized torn ACL or not??

[Fadingpain]

2 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Kyle is an all everything Bill and is impossible to criticize on a board like this...but our run defense has been so bad for so much of his career. A ton of variables in that time period, but he has been the constant. 

 

Kyle is a fan favorite, probably will be a wall of famer, all drought team, face of the Bills 2000’s..I bet with him out, we end up stopping the run better. Won’t be a popular opinion, won’t be agreed with, but we shall see. 

I have always considered Kyle undersized for what he is often asked to do.  He is susceptible to being moved where he doesn't want to go.  

 

 

[Beast]

8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

What else are you going to do to the knee when it is immobilized torn ACL or not??

 

Not even going to get into an arguement concerning this. Go ahead and believe it is automatically the ACL. 

 

Cripes.

[MAJBobby]

Well they cant IR him until after 53 cut down if they want to use the return designation on him. 

 

So if he Gets IRed before that he is done for the year. 

1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Not even going to get into an arguement concerning this. Go ahead and believe it is automatically the ACL. 

 

Cripes.

 

I said “based on my experience”. So yes Drs will allow you to walk without crutches once knee is immobilized. Because there is no more futher damage that can be done, and up to your pain tolerance 

 

Cripes 

[MAJBobby]

Sounds like bullet dodged. 

 

 

Tim Graham (@ByTimGraham)

8/18/18, 10:47 AM Adding to Ian’s report, I hear encouraging words about Kyle Williams and chances to come back sooner than injury appeared on the field. twitter.com/rapsheet/statu…

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Yeah, and they are going to let him walk around without crutches if it is that bad.

 

I agree you can’t tell the injury by the brace, but if it’s a complete ACL tear, it’s kaput and there’s no need to protect it. My son tore his ACL and MCL in HS. His amazing PT examined his locked up leg at the first assessment. He only had a few degrees of motion (due to the initial PT sucking!). The new guy moved it the few degrees he still had, then, without warning, snapped it straight! I will NEVER forget that....I almost threw up and my son was lost between fear, pain...and punching him in the face!

 

The PT explained the MCL wasn’t damaged because it was a straight forward and back motion, and the ACL, well....just wasn’t anymore. He needed the mobility to begin therapy to get ready for surgery. He’d lost a freakish amount of quad strength in such a short period of time. Crazy stuff! (He was back in a HS hoops game 5 months after surgery - this guy was amazing!)  

 

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Edited August 18, 2018 by Augie

[buffaloaggie]

Cory Carter torn ACL, was carted off the field. Kyle Williams was walking around. Bad news for Carter. Hopefully not bad news for Williams.

[Kelly the Dog]

4 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Ridiculous assessment 

He's not always right but he's remarkably good via just watching TV. 

[Matt_In_NH]

19 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

He’s not one to embellish pain. 

 

Not sure what that means.  A minor injury would hurt a lot, a major injury sometimes does not have that much pain.   Lets not jump to conclusions.

[Cripple Creek]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Sucks...I just got over a sprained knee.

I told you not to try that move at your age.

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

I did...I tore my ACL down to the bone...meniscus was tore as well.My injury also happened on a friday...I got carved and zippered up the following Tuesday at St.Joe's ( Suburban Orthopedics- Dr.Kahler).I was in a hard cast for 4 weeks before starting rehab/PT...this was in 1992.Obviously "things" are more advanced these days.

Shoulda been through it in '74. Hip to toe cast for, I believe 12 weeks.

[stuvian]

why is a proven veteran like him even out there?

[Chandler#81]

5 minutes ago, stuvian said:

why is a proven veteran like him even out there?

I’ll take a stab;

1) starters only played 1 qtr last week and the presumed lineup hasn’t been together on the field yet.(Murphy, Star, Kyle & ?)

2) The Defense has committed to a Rookie MLB who’s only hope of learning quickly enough not to be a liability is by meaningful reps with the guys he’ll actually play with.

3) the Intangible. Football players need to HIT to truly prep for a very long season of HITTING.

 

buwaddaiknow..

[SouthNYfan]

4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

I’ll take a stab;

1) starters only played 1 qtr last week and the presumed lineup hasn’t been together on the field yet.(Murphy, Star, Kyle & ?)

2) The Defense has committed to a Rookie MLB who’s only hope of learning quickly enough not to be a liability is by meaningful reps with the guys he’ll actually play with.

3) the Intangible. Football players need to HIT to truly prep for a very long season of HITTING.

 

buwaddaiknow..

 

but he's a vet.

he shouldn't even be practicing.

duh.

come on man.

get with the program.

 

/endsarcasm.

2 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Well they cant IR him until after 53 cut down if they want to use the return designation on him. 

 

So if he Gets IRed before that he is done for the year. 

 

I said “based on my experience”. So yes Drs will allow you to walk without crutches once knee is immobilized. Because there is no more futher damage that can be done, and up to your pain tolerance 

 

Cripes 

 

You should really pay attention to things you've typed in the past.

 

18 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

That Brace he is leaving in tells me all i need to know. It is an ACL Injury 

 

It told you "all you need to know" that "IT IS AN ACL INJURY"

except it seems it isn't.

Which is exactly what I said earlier.

Nice try.

[Beast]

1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

 

You should really pay attention to things you've typed in the past.

 

 

It told you "all you need to know" that "IT IS AN ACL INJURY"

except it seems it isn't.

Which is exactly what I said earlier.

Nice try.

 

The guy runs off at the mouth and because, if he thinks it, he believes he it is 100% true. I wasn’t even discounting it may have been an ACL issue but to say it is because he had on a brace is freaking hilarious!

 

3 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I agree you can’t tell the injury by the brace, but if it’s a complete ACL tear, it’s kaput and there’s no need to protect it. My son tore his ACL and MCL in HS. His amazing PT examined his locked up leg at the first assessment. He only had a few degrees of motion (due to the initial PT sucking!). The new guy moved it the few degrees he still had, then, without warning, snapped it straight! I will NEVER forget that....I almost threw up and my son was lost between fear, pain...and punching him in the face!

 

The PT explained the MCL wasn’t damaged because it was a straight forward and back motion, and the ACL, well....just wasn’t anymore. He needed the mobility to begin therapy to get ready for surgery. He’d lost a freakish amount of quad strength in such a short period of time. Crazy stuff! (He was back in a HS hoops game 5 months after surgery - this guy was amazing!)  

 

.

 

I know ACL injuries. I had mine shredded in 1987 and opted to not have reconstructive surgery on it. I was 19 at the time.

 

Simce then, not one issue except minor arthritis when it gets humid. Of course, I am no longer a cut and plant athlete but, to this day, remain very active.