Bills trade with Browns for Corey Coleman

[starrymessenger]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

How in the world would Cleveland’s scouting have not highlighted the issue before the 15th pick in the draft was expended on the guy?  

 

Except he was thought to be the best WR prospect in his class by many, not just Cleveland. And there is nothing unusual about a highly touted (and drafted) WR completely underwhelming his first couple of years in the league. There are so many examples, some close to home as well. And it can be for all sorts of reasons. Some eventually come around and realize their potential. Hopefully Coleman (and Zay) will wind up in that grouping. 

Great trade by Beane. Got something (raw talent and athleticism) for nothing.

[JoPar_v2]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

How in the world would Cleveland’s scouting have not highlighted the issue before the 15th pick in the draft was expended on the guy?  

Because they were using unproven analytics at the time and their owner is a known meddler who knows nothing about football.

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, starrymessenger said:

 

Except he was thought to be the best WR prospect in his class by many, not just Cleveland. And there is nothing unusual about a highly touted (and drafted) WR completely underwhelming his first couple of years in the league. There are so many examples, some close to home as well. And it can be for all sorts of reasons. Some eventually come around and realize their potential. Hopefully Coleman (and Zay) will wind up in that grouping. 

Great trade by Beane. Got something (raw talent and athleticism) for nothing.

I am seeing several who thought he was the BEST Wide Receiver of that draft.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

I am seeing several who thought he was the BEST Wide Receiver of that draft.

 

Thus far the entire 2016 class of 1st round WRs hasn't done much. 

[Bill_with_it]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

OK, but again if you are going to expend a very valuable pick on a guy would you not dig deeper to have a better understanding of this situation?  It really seems like the Browns were simply negligent in missing the information.

Gms are enamored by speed and potential. Ross was the next big thing despite having a huge knee surgery. It’s almost like people overlook everything for speed. Some times it works most of the time it doesn’t. In our case we gave up very little for a player that has the potential to contribute to our team. If he doesn’t we didn’t lose anything worth mentioning. Our GM and HC are masters at risk mitigation.

Edited August 7, 2018 by Bill_with_it

[JoPar_v2]

So “named” in a police report as a relative of a suspect? I have no issue with this. Lots of players have criminal elements in their families. Doesn’t mean the player is a bad guy. Janoris Jenkins anyone? He wasn’t dumped after his brother allegedly killed a guy was he?

[Lurker]

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Why are you here?

 

Liberal use of the "Ignore User" feature would take care of that problem...   

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Thus far the entire 2016 class of 1st round WRs hasn't done much. 

True that

 

In my opinion Colemen would be a lot more regarded if he wasnt getting hurt....because he obviously has talent.

 

It is interesting that even though ppl bash our WR core we have TWO former 1st round picks in the group and 1 second rounder.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

True that

 

In my opinion Colemen would be a lot more regarded if he wasnt getting hurt....because he obviously has talent.

 

It is interesting that even though ppl bash our WR core we have TWO former 1st round picks in the group and 1 second rounder.

 

Physical gifts alone won't make him into a good WR in the NFL.  He hasn't been dedicated to his craft beyond the injury factor that's held him back. 

 

Where guys in the WR corps were drafted means little at this juncture.  

[John from Riverside]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Physical gifts alone won't make him into a good WR in the NFL.  He hasn't been dedicated to his craft beyond the injury factor that's held him back. 

 

Where guys in the WR corps were drafted means little at this juncture.  

It only means that Beane is not asleep at the wheel...even in a year where we are taking the huge dead cap hit.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Foreigner said:

Two paragraphs from a story by AP Sports Writer Tom Withers.

 

But beyond Coleman's problems on the field, he had issues outside the lines that hurt his standing with

Coach Hue Jackson and new General Manager John Dorsey.

 

Coleman was named in a police report regarding an alleged felonious assault last year.  He was also sent home

from the Browns trip to Houston for missing curfew while he was injured.

 

We are changing the culture. With Zay Jones and Coleman on the field as WRs (insert your own joke here)

 

"Named in a police report".  Not a suspect.  Not charged.  "Named".    Said to be surveillance video that demonstrates he was not involved.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/01/corey_coleman_police_report_de.html

[Foxx]

35 minutes ago, Roch-A-Bill said:

2016 highlight reel:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2adMizhNto

he might be fast, but in that video I didn't see anything that  said he used his speed for much of anything. he looked more like a possession receiver than anything else. i will grant that he does appear to have a feistiness about him though.

[starrymessenger]

8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Thus far the entire 2016 class of 1st round WRs hasn't done much. 

 

Yeah. Sorta like Mike Williams and Corey Davis in 2018. And I'd love to have either of those guys. Most young wideouts take a few years at least to acclimate, unless they are in a scheme that favours them and have a proven veteran passer throwing them the ball. And even then.

1 minute ago, Foxx said:

he might be fast, but in that video I didn't see anything that  said he used his speed for much of anything. he looked more like a possession receiver than anything else. i will grant that he does appear to have a feistiness about him though.

 

A scheme thing. He was used as a possession receiver to be sure - but was that the best use of his skillset?

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

It only means that Beane is not asleep at the wheel...even in a year where we are taking the huge dead cap hit.

 

He was smart to take the shot on a talented guy at such a low price as many including me have already posted.

 

2 minutes ago, starrymessenger said:

 

Yeah. Sorta like Mike Williams and Corey Davis in 2018. And I'd love to have either of those guys. Most young wideouts take a few years at least to acclimate, unless they are in a scheme that favours them and have a proven veteran passer throwing them the ball. And even then.

 

Neither of those two have stayed on the field enough to assess them.  Big 2nd year campaigns coming up for the both of them. 

[Doc Brown]

If this doesn't work out, we'll never recover from losing that 7th round pick two years from now.

[SouthNYfan]

21 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Thus far the entire 2016 class of 1st round WRs hasn't done much. 

 

Yeah I think Thomas is the only one from that entire draft who has been a difference maker, and he was the second round, oh had he has had drew Brees slinging the pigskin his way, so there's that.

I don't fault Coleman though, between his injury and being in the Browns (which is probably worse than an injury) I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially considering we gave up nothing for him.

As of now he's already our number#2 on talent alone, maybe even #1.

[Fadingpain]

1 hour ago, JMF2006 said:

 

No we trade him back to the Browns for a 209 3rd rnd  

 

Her is hoping he can beat division DB's that bad  

 

So he has that "get away from the cops speed"  

Quite possibly!

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, SouthNYfan said:

 

Yeah I think Thomas is the only one from that entire draft who has been a difference maker, and he was the second round, oh had he has had drew Brees slinging the pigskin his way, so there's that.

I don't fault Coleman though, between his injury and being in the Browns (which is probably worse than an injury) I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, especially considering we gave up nothing for him.

As of now he's already our number#2 on talent alone, maybe even #1.

 

His talent alone won't give him this status even on the Bills if he can't learn the offense and run good routes.  It's nice to have him on the team nevertheless to add the deep threat they have lacked. 

[Shaw66]

37 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The difference is NFL talent with hands, route running, knowing how to set up DBs, effective use of speed and body positioning that make Watkins the far superior and more productive player.   You're making this attempt to argue in favor of a player you admittedly know nothing about and it simply doesn't add up in any rational or logical.   That's exactly why the Bills paid next to nothing in compensation for him.  You should stop, but somehow I know you won't just as you argued over and over again about Kirk Cousins to the Bills when it was obvious that they weren't a match. 

All I've said is that there isn't much difference in their NFL production. When you adjust for targets and their QBs, there isn't much difference.  

 

As someone said, let him run fly patterns all day and he will help the offense.  

 

I'm not trying to convince anyone, including myself, that Coleman is Julio Jones.  Neither is Sammy.  

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Shaw66 said:

All I've said is that there isn't much difference in their NFL production. When you adjust for targets and their QBs, there isn't much difference.  

 

As someone said, let him run fly patterns all day and he will help the offense.  

 

I'm not trying to convince anyone, including myself, that Coleman is Julio Jones.  Neither is Sammy.  

 

 Okay.  Please stop with this silliness. 

[John from Riverside]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

His talent alone won't give him this status even on the Bills if he can't learn the offense and run good routes.  It's nice to have him on the team nevertheless to add the deep threat they have lacked. 

I agree with this

 

Lets let him play a little bit before moving him to the front of the line

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, JMF2006 said:

 

No we trade him back to the Browns for a 209 3rd rnd  

 

 

 

....yup...trade 'em BACK for TT BACK and soothe PO'ed factions on BOTH MB's......"Lake Erie Euphoria"??.........

[HappyDays]

 

[Shaw66]

44 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 Okay.  Please stop with this silliness. 

Okey doke.

 

You and I agree he's worth a 7th round pick two years out. 

 

We will see what he accomplishes. 

[26CornerBlitz]

7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Okey doke.

 

You and I agree he's worth a 7th round pick two years out. 

 

We will see what he accomplishes. 

 

We shall indeed see. Regardless, it was a move well worth the minimal risk. 

[Freddie's Dead]

56 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 Okay.  Please stop with this silliness. 

 

[BillsFan4]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

A LOT of NFL players are scum.

 

You should be used to that by now.

 

I posted that story to show that it didn’t look like he actually did anything wrong, except for being there when it happened. 

 

I felt the OP was overreacting (as usual) so I wanted to add some context. 

[Alphadawg7]

30 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Love this!  You came to right place because there is a job here to be taken, so come get it Coleman!!!

 

GoBills!!!

[Mr. WEO]

I just read the report:

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/gary-coleman-arrested-utah-domestic-assault-warrant-jail-working-bail-article-1.196183#

[Logic]

I was not happy when Sammy was traded, though I understood why they did it. 

Since then, though, Beane has traded a 3rd and two 7ths for Kelvin Benjamin and Corey Coleman -- two physically gifted 1st round WRs on rookie deals. 

I like it. I like it a lot.

[Augie]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

If this doesn't work out, we'll never recover from losing that 7th round pick two years from now.

 

Never say never, but it could set us back 3 years. Or maybe 3 weeks. Hard to tell. 

[Blokestradamus]

20 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

EDIT: Oh and also - @Blokestradamus - DeShone Kizer? Really?

 

 

I keep telling you. Rodgers goes down Week 1 and Kizer takes the Pack to the Super Bowl

[WideRightRevenge]

12 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Bring it Corey .... welcome aboard .... prove away all season long!!  Couple of other Great Tweets on what he brings with a real QB .. not sure we our QBs are ready just yet .. but if they can play up to McCown level

 

(Tweet from Pat Thorman)

Corey Coleman QBs:

Kizer: 8.5 games
RGIII: 5 games
McCown: 2 games
Kessler: 1 game
McCown/Kessler: 2 games

(2 full games w/ McCown: 13 tgt, 8 rec, 142 yds, 3 TD)

A couple fluke injuries and a QB clowncar in a 1-31 circus. Now he’s a “bust” and sold for peanuts. Brilliant.

Edited August 7, 2018 by WideRightRevenge

[GunnerBill]

27 minutes ago, WideRightRevenge said:

(2 full games w/ McCown: 13 tgt, 8 rec, 142 yds, 3 TD)

A couple fluke injuries and a QB clowncar in a 1-31 circus. Now he’s a “bust” and sold for peanuts. Brilliant.

 

Would still like to see a slightly better tgt to reception ratio but promising all the same. I have always liked him when I have watched the Browns and he has been on the field. And critically for the Bills he gives us a genuine deep threat that teams need to worry about.  

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Would still like to see a slightly better tgt to reception ratio but promising all the same. I have always liked him when I have watched the Browns and he has been on the field. And critically for the Bills he gives us a genuine deep threat that teams need to worry about.  

You know, it's just so hard to tell what goes into stats.   I agree about the target to reception ratio, but I don't think you can dismiss the parade of QBs throwing to him.  Someone posted a stat (I couldn't find it) that said that Coleman was third highest in the league in uncatchable balls when he was targeted.   That's completely believable with the QBs he had throwing, and that would affect his ratio significantly.   On the other hand, how many times did Coleman run a bad route, causing the uncatchable ball?  That's the kind of thing only the coaches in Cleveland know.  

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:

You know, it's just so hard to tell what goes into stats.   I agree about the target to reception ratio, but I don't think you can dismiss the parade of QBs throwing to him.  Someone posted a stat (I couldn't find it) that said that Coleman was third highest in the league in uncatchable balls when he was targeted.   That's completely believable with the QBs he had throwing, and that would affect his ratio significantly.   On the other hand, how many times did Coleman run a bad route, causing the uncatchable ball?  That's the kind of thing only the coaches in Cleveland know.  

 

I know but the stat I quoted specifically referred to games with Josh McCown who I think we can all agree is at least a capable NFL Quarterback.  Doesn't mean any of those 5 uncaught passes were catchable of course but I think his stats with McCown (albeit small sample size) are probably a better reflection of who he is as an NFL player than his stats with the scrub QBs he has played with beyond that.  

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[KGun12TD]

15 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Depending upon which direction you are coming from, you may want to try Casa Di Pizza near I-75 off of University Pkwy not too far south of Brandon. WNY folks with Bills/Sabres focus and the best pizza I’ve had outside of WNY.  (We lived in Sarasota for 18+ years.) 

 

Whoa! I work in Brandon off of 75. I will check it out. Thank you so much.

[YoloinOhio]