Bills' 2018 Training Camp Practice Day 7

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

Hm, I haven't seen those reports. 

 

I don't know much about Phillips, does he have speed? Right now (especially if they want to start Allen sometime this year) we need someone who can push the defense. 

At this point we need a WR that can suit up every week, get open and catch the ball.  We currently only have one guy that I believe will do that all season.  His name last name is McCoy.  Might pencil in Kerley as well.  Hoping KB can do that too, but I’m not very optimistic about the suiting up every week part

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Regressed as against the progress earlier in camp. Havent watched the Cover 1 breakdown of today yet. Will have a better idea once I have. 

Or the defense is starting to rachet it up

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

At this point we need a WR that can suit up every week, get open and catch the ball.  We currently only have one guy that I believe will do that all season.  His name last name is McCoy.  Might pencil in Kerley as well.  Hoping KB can do that too, but I’m not very optimistic about the suiting up every week part

I still like Brandon Reilly a lot to be that "Mr. Consistant" guy

 

and.....Foster is impressing

[Aussie Joe]

Havent heard much about Siran Neal..

 

Had some hopes for him coming into camp but see him still there with the 3rds...

 

Anyone seen how he is going?

[Domdab99]

Training camp practice being disected like this is absurd. It's practice. They're trying new things, learning new plays - if they were completing every pass, doing everything right, it would mean they weren't being pushed enough. 

[SWATeam]

2 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

Training camp practice being disected like this is absurd. It's practice. They're trying new things, learning new plays - if they were completing every pass, doing everything right, it would mean they weren't being pushed enough. 

It’s crazy.  Many people actually draw conclusions based on all the written reports- I think that is nuts.  It’s great to have the content, but I wait to see it with my own eyes in the preseason games before forming a strong opinion.

[FLFan]

7 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Havent heard much about Siran Neal..

 

Had some hopes for him coming into camp but see him still there with the 3rds...

 

Anyone seen how he is going?

I had high hopes for him as well, but it does not seem he has been able to make much of an impact and is mired at the back of the line.  I do not have any eye witness report, just going by the daily reviews of where he is on the depth chart.

[Domdab99]

I do like the report that Siran Neal uses Skittles to practice plays

[NewEra]

18 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Or the defense is starting to rachet it up

I still like Brandon Reilly a lot to be that "Mr. Consistant" guy

 

and.....Foster is impressing

I hope your right but he’s the only guy catching the ball with his chest.  That’s a bit scary imo.  I do have hopes for Foster, but he didn’t even play in college.  Seems like Cam Phillips might be our sleeper this year.  

 

What i I was getting at:  we don’t just need speed.  We just need WRs that can play.  If they can play and have speed....all the better.  

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I hope your right but he’s the only guy catching the ball with his chest.  That’s a bit scary imo.  I do have hopes for Foster, but he didn’t even play in college.  Seems like Cam Phillips might be our sleeper this year.  

 

What i I was getting at:  we don’t just need speed.  We just need WRs that can play.  If they can play and have speed....all the better.  

There was One report of One play where Brandon Reilly caught the ball with his chest.....

 

I know we gotta a small sample size here but we really need to put this in perspective

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think the thing that makes people nervous is that is his scouting report since high school.  It’s been the scouting report of a few past Bills qb.  It’s a mechanic thing that is very difficult to fix, especially at the nfl level.  It’s Brady is Brady and a guy like Ryan Mallett is Ryan Mallett.

I was nervous the moment we drafted him- actually I was more pissed off than nervous ? 

[Rocky Landing]

36 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

Training camp practice being disected like this is absurd. It's practice. They're trying new things, learning new plays - if they were completing every pass, doing everything right, it would mean they weren't being pushed enough. 

Why on earth shouldn't we dissect training camp performance? If players struggle, there's a reason for it, and it makes for a worthwhile discussion.

30 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

It’s crazy.  Many people actually draw conclusions based on all the written reports- I think that is nuts.  It’s great to have the content, but I wait to see it with my own eyes in the preseason games before forming a strong opinion.

I think there is a difference between drawing conclusions, and forming opinions. And, why shouldn't we be forming opinions (or drawing conclusions, for that matter) during TC? Isn't this what fans do during TC? Otherwise, why pay attention at all?

[MakeBuffaloGreatAgain]

If people can’t see the upside and positive direction this team is headed in, they should be shot and placed in massive unmarked graves. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 minute ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:

If people can’t see the upside and positive direction this team is headed in, they should be shot and placed in massive unmarked graves. 

 

...not sure how you can reach that conclusion...."OL sucks"....."WR's are THE worst in the league"......"Allen is a sure fire bust"......."McBeane should be fired NOW"..."Pegulas are clueless owners".....and THAT beat goes on.....pretty effin' pathetic, right?.....

[RocCityRoller]

6 hours ago, TFBillsfan said:

Early indications point to AJM starting the season which I expected. I just hope he’s not a newer version of Trent Edwards. I have zero confidence in Peterman at this point. Hopefully JA continues improving and takes the reigns at some point in the season.

 

With Murphy’s injury history, no way do I throw in the towel on Lawson. Still young and basically in year two due to injury.

 

Was hoping Teller might push Vlad as he’s a weak link on the OL. 

 

This is an unique year as if this team exceeds expectations, they really have a great opportunity to add playmakers and depth to the roster next year. Something we haven’t been able to say or do for years!

 

Agree with you 100%

[BillsSbSoon]

Accuracy is hard to fix. Most times you either have it or you dont

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

At this point we need a WR that can suit up every week, get open and catch the ball.  We currently only have one guy that I believe will do that all season.  His name last name is McCoy.  Might pencil in Kerley as well.  Hoping KB can do that too, but I’m not very optimistic about the suiting up every week part

 

Keep your eyes on the young guys. Phillips, Dupre and Foster have all had some nice plays

[Rocky Landing]

11 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:

If people can’t see the upside and positive direction this team is headed in, they should be shot and placed in massive unmarked graves. 

Are you suggesting that there are enough fans who don't "see the upside and positive direction this team is headed in" to fill, not one, but multiple "massive unmarked graves?"

6 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...not sure how you can reach that conclusion...."OL sucks"....."WR's are THE worst in the league"......"Allen is a sure fire bust"......."McBeane should be fired NOW"..."Pegulas are clueless owners".....and THAT beat goes on.....pretty effin' pathetic, right?.....

Certainly, people have good reason to doubt the OL, and our WR corps. That seems fairly obvious. But, I don't know that I've read a single post that has predicted Allen being "a sure fire bust." Indeed, I believe there is an enormous amount of optimism in his future. And, the criticisms of Beane, and the Pegulas seem scant, at most.

Or, maybe I've been reading the wrong threads.

[TigerJ]

7 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Allen is well aware that it's an issue for him and he's working diligently to correct it. 

It also appears there is a very good reason that this is an area where Allen is behind.  It has to do with the offense he operated at Wyoming.  There is no particular reason to think he can't eventually get it.

[NewEra]

23 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

Keep your eyes on the young guys. Phillips, Dupre and Foster have all had some nice plays

 

I hope Phillips and Foster can contribute.  I have no confidence in Dupre.  5 Star kid that had everything handed to him and accomplished nothing at LSU. If he can learn how to work like a man, he’s got the talent to stick

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

26 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

Are you suggesting that there are enough fans who don't "see the upside and positive direction this team is headed in" to fill, not one, but multiple "massive unmarked graves?"

Certainly, people have good reason to doubt the OL, and our WR corps. That seems fairly obvious. But, I don't know that I've read a single post that has predicted Allen being "a sure fire bust." Indeed, I believe there is an enormous amount of optimism in his future. And, the criticisms of Beane, and the Pegulas seem scant, at most.

Or, maybe I've been reading the wrong threads.

 

..plenty of hating TBD pundits about the pick, sad but true....and they would CERTAINLY know better than McBeane and his staff of 17+ that Pegula probably pays $3.5-$4 mil annually out of his pocket....go figure.....

[RocCityRoller]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

 

I hope Phillips and Foster can contribute.  I have no confidence in Dupre.  5 Star kid that had everything handed to him and accomplished nothing at LSU. If he can learn how to work like a man, he’s got the talent to stick

 

I agree Dupre was underwhelming in college, but name a good or even great LSU QB? Not exactly an offensive powerhouse.

 

I'm an admitted fanboy of Dupre. I see on the depth chart he has fewer opportunities than others to prove his worth. Even fewer than Proehl. I just have a gut feeling like I did with Hogan and Goodwin than he can be a contributor. I'm not talking a 70-1000-6, but a respectable 45-700-4 type line with Big Ben, Rogers or Rivers. A 'move' receiver who has some height and some speed. I also have a gut feeling he is one of the very few WRs on this team that can and will catch Allen's heat on full display. I think Allen is dialing it back mentally. Allen will need a guy that can and will corral anything. I see a lot of soft pass WRs on this team, who will go out and catch the Allen bullet?

 

Green Bay would probably like to still have him in camp. The Bills did well swooping in and grabbing him when they did.

 

I just like him, I hope he shows out in pre-season games.

 

Maybe he is the next Da'rick Rogers, but I think he needs a decent QB with a live arm and some opportunity. I want to see him and Allen together in the pre-season. I think they compliment each other.

 

I could be totally wrong.

Edited August 3, 2018 by RocCityRoller

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

I agree Dupre was underwhelming in college, but name a good or even great LSU QB? Not exactly an offensive powerhouse.

 

I'm an admitted fanboy of Dupre. I see on the depth chart he has fewer opportunities than others to prove his worth. Even fewer than Proehl. I just have a gut feeling like I did with Hogan and Goodwin than he can be a contributor. I'm not talking a 70-1000-6, but a respectable 45-700-4 type line with Big Ben, Rogers or Rivers. A 'move' receiver who has some height and some speed. I also have a gut feeling he is one of the very few WRs on this team that can and will catch Allen's heat on full display. I think Allen is dialing it back mentally. Allen will need a guy that can and will corral anything. I see a lot of soft pass WRs on this team, who will go out and catch the Allen bullet?

 

Green Bay would probably like to still have him in camp. The Bills did well swooping in and grabbing him when they did.

 

I just like him, I hope he shows out in pre-season games.

 

Maybe he is the next Da'rick Rogers, but I think he needs a decent QB with a live arm and some opportunity. I want to see him and Allen together in the pre-season. I think they compliment each other.

 

I could be totally wrong.

 

I just don’t see any explosion in his game and his route running is just meh.  He doesn’t get off the line quick enough imo.  If he was 6’5, I think he may have a chance.  He can jump and catch, I just don’t think he’ll be able to get open.  

 

Ill go with

KB

Kerley

Zay

Reilly

Foster

Phillips

and Mcloud if we go with 7

 

but I’m sure we’ll keep Holmes and either Foster or Phillips will go to the PS.  I just don’t like Andre Holmes.  He bores me.  Anyone else feel the same?  Like you just want him to be cut already and see what these other kids can do?

 

[Rocky Landing]

6 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

I just don’t see any explosion in his game and his route running is just meh.  He doesn’t get off the line quick enough imo.  If he was 6’5, I think he may have a chance.  He can jump and catch, I just don’t think he’ll be able to get open.  

 

Ill go with

KB

Kerley

Zay

Reilly

Foster

Phillips

and Mcloud if we go with 7

 

but I’m sure we’ll keep Holmes and either Foster or Phillips will go to the PS.  I just don’t like Andre Holmes.  He bores me.  Anyone else feel the same?  Like you just want him to be cut already and see what these other kids can do?

 

You're going to take Mcloud over Holmes? That seems crazy.

[RocCityRoller]

18 minutes ago, NewEra said:

 

I just don’t see any explosion in his game and his route running is just meh.  He doesn’t get off the line quick enough imo.  If he was 6’5, I think he may have a chance.  He can jump and catch, I just don’t think he’ll be able to get open.  

 

Ill go with

KB

Kerley

Zay

Reilly

Foster

Phillips

and Mcloud if we go with 7

 

but I’m sure we’ll keep Holmes and either Foster or Phillips will go to the PS.  I just don’t like Andre Holmes.  He bores me.  Anyone else feel the same?  Like you just want him to be cut already and see what these other kids can do?

 

 

I also don't like Holmes, even if you disagree with me on Dupre. Holmes is on the wrong side of 30 and did not step up at all last year when our WR were dealt away or went down with injury. He looked lost and terrible.

 

Andre Holmes had a Season stat line of 13-120-3 which is a pathetic line for a veteran on a depleted corps.

 

New Era, do you really think Dupre is worse than 13-120-3 over a season???

 

Streater was 18-191-2 in his last full year with SF.

 

Holmes and Streater have produced 45-437-8 combined in the last two NFL seasons, yet suck up two spots on this roster.

 

That is one avg year for Chris Hogan as a WR3-WR4 on NE, or even a WR3-4 on a run first Bills team.

Chris Hogan

2018 (NE): 34-439-5

2017 (NE): 38-680-4

2016 (BU): 36-450-2

 

Brandon Lafell, 31, is a stratosphere above these two fools:

2018 (CIN): 52-548-3

2017 (CIN): 64-862-6

2016 (NE):  37-515-0

 

If I had my way at OBD, I'd cut Streater and Holmes tomorrow, sign Brandon Lafell, and open up a roster spot for a guy like Siran Neal or Malachi Dupre.

 

[stevewin]

Had VIP tickets for this practice - after it was over Allen came over to sign at the VIP tent fence.  While my son was getting his autograph, I was fumbling with my phone trying to quickly get to the camera for a pic - I missed it when he was actually signing for my son, then figured I'd at least get my son in the foreground with Allen in the background signing for the next person.  He saw what I was doing and actually stopped what he was doing and moved over to pose for a pic with my son and Dad.  It was the perfect ending for the day.  I know these guys are told to try to be patient and accommodating with the fans - but that one small gesture really struck me.  He couldn't have been nicer and more accommodating, after a long practice and facing a full gauntlet of waiting fans - taking that little extra time to create a special moment for us, when he didn't have to.  I'm rooting even harder for the guy now.

 

Edited August 3, 2018 by stevewin

[Richard Noggin]

9 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I think the thing that makes people nervous is that is his scouting report since high school.  It’s been the scouting report of a few past Bills qb.  It’s a mechanic thing that is very difficult to fix, especially at the nfl level.  It’s Brady is Brady and a guy like Ryan Mallett is Ryan Mallett.

That Brady example is tricky, of course. He wasn't TB12 for many years in the NFL. He had to work for years to improve as a passer, not unlike Rodgers in GB (who did most of his work as a backup). The DRAMATIC improvement that certain QBs have made over the years (w/r/t decision-making and mechanics), while other prospects have concurrently flamed out, is difficult to analyze and apply.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

17 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

would it really hurt the team ??

17 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

 

Thad , always with the back handed compliment.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

3 quick takeaways from Day 7 of Bills training camp

Here are three quick takeaways from Day 7 of Bills camp:

 

AJ has the edge

Injury bug

Cam Phillips, a name to remember

[NewEra]

9 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

You're going to take Mcloud over Holmes? That seems crazy.

 

I know what Holmes is.  A guy that did almost nothing last year while we didn’t have have any WRs.  Sure, Ray Ray could suck.  But Holmes already does suck.  I’d rather try the guy that still has a chance to be a contributing player.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, NewEra said:

 

I know what Holmes is.  A guy that did almost nothing last year while we didn’t have have any WRs.  Sure, Ray Ray could suck.  But Holmes already does suck.  I’d rather try the guy that still has a chance to be a contributing player.

 

ST is a huge consideration for McDermott and the coaching staff.  It will possibly have an even greater emphasis with the changes to the kickoff rules.  Too many people are overlooking how this factors into the way the roster will be put together. 

[NewEra]

8 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

I also don't like Holmes, even if you disagree with me on Dupre. Holmes is on the wrong side of 30 and did not step up at all last year when our WR were dealt away or went down with injury. He looked lost and terrible.

 

Andre Holmes had a Season stat line of 13-120-3 which is a pathetic line for a veteran on a depleted corps.

 

New Era, do you really think Dupre is worse than 13-120-3 over a season???

 

Streater was 18-191-2 in his last full year with SF.

 

Holmes and Streater have produced 45-437-8 combined in the last two NFL seasons, yet suck up two spots on this roster.

 

That is one avg year for Chris Hogan as a WR3-WR4 on NE, or even a WR3-4 on a run first Bills team.

Chris Hogan

2018 (NE): 34-439-5

2017 (NE): 38-680-4

2016 (BU): 36-450-2

 

Brandon Lafell, 31, is a stratosphere above these two fools:

2018 (CIN): 52-548-3

2017 (CIN): 64-862-6

2016 (NE):  37-515-0

 

If I had my way at OBD, I'd cut Streater and Holmes tomorrow, sign Brandon Lafell, and open up a roster spot for a guy like Siran Neal or Malachi Dupre.

 

I agree with all of this.  I could care less about Holmes or Streater.  I wouldn’t keep either of them.  While I’m not a huge fan of Lafell, signing him over Holmes and Streater is a no brainer imo.  But would he want to come to Buffalo on a prove it deal while our QB and OL situation is so murky?  Not sure I would if I were him.  Maybe if we’re his only suitor.  

[CommonCents]

People keep mentioning Phillips, is it true he has only taken snaps with the 3rd team? If so they should halt the hype train.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

ST is a huge consideration for McDermott and the coaching staff.  It will possibly have an even greater emphasis with the changes to the kickoff rules.  Too many people are overlooking how this factors into the way the roster will be put together. 

Good point, but considering our obvious lack of talent at WR and Holmes disappointing play last year,  I’d look elsewhere for ST play.  Like is said before, I believe Holmes will be retained.  I just wish that he wasn’t.

[Mikey152]

10 hours ago, NewEra said:

 

I just don’t see any explosion in his game and his route running is just meh.  He doesn’t get off the line quick enough imo.  If he was 6’5, I think he may have a chance.  He can jump and catch, I just don’t think he’ll be able to get open.  

 

Ill go with

KB

Kerley

Zay

Reilly

Foster

Phillips

and Mcloud if we go with 7

 

but I’m sure we’ll keep Holmes and either Foster or Phillips will go to the PS.  I just don’t like Andre Holmes.  He bores me.  Anyone else feel the same?  Like you just want him to be cut already and see what these other kids can do?

 

 

Maybe he isn't explosive in pads (or you are just making this up based on what you read), but his jumping numbers (which are shown to correlate the most with explosiveness) at the combine were incredible...39.5 inch vert and over 11 feet in the broad jump indicate he is extremely explosive.  I don't think he is very physical, though...and because he is tall, he isn't exactly agile, either.  Maybe that's what you're actually seeing

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, RocCityRoller said:

Holmes and Streater have produced 45-437-8 combined in the last two NFL seasons, yet suck up two spots on this roster.

 

This is an example of flagrant statistical baloney. 

Streater did not play at all last season, so folding that into a judgement on WR productivity with another player is pointless.

Moreover, he didn't "suck up" a spot on the roster last season.

 

Streater's a puzzling guy.  He had a very good 2nd season in Oakland with nothing at QB - Pryor, McGloin and Flynn (trivia: Holmes was also on that team, and Streater had 2x his yards).  He spent most of 2014 (and apparently 2015?) on IR. Then he fell off the map - he moved onto an SFO roster crowded at WR, but he failed to make much impact.  Now I grant you, he had Kaep and Blaine Gabbert throwing to him, but "nothing at QB" didn't stop him in 2013.

 

I can see why with "slim pickings" at WR he intrigues us, but he seems like kind of a "fool's gold" guy.  His good 2013 season and his obvious training camp talent keep giving him shots, but when a 30 year old guy is unable to produce for 4 seasons, it's arguably time to give newbies a chance.

[Magox]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

ST is a huge consideration for McDermott and the coaching staff.  It will possibly have an even greater emphasis with the changes to the kickoff rules.  Too many people are overlooking how this factors into the way the roster will be put together. 

 

I suspect that you would be right.  The new rules it would appear are going to favor more DB's, LB's, RB's and WR's to make team rosters.  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

15 hours ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:

If people can’t see the upside and positive direction this team is headed in, they should be shot and placed in massive unmarked graves. 

 

I'm going to leave this post here to put this out here in public:  To suggest that people who don't agree with you as football fans should be shot and placed in unmarked graves is 1) gruesome 2) completely and totally inappropriate to this board.  Do not threaten physical harm to others here, whether you're joking, joshing, kidding, wateves - don't go there.

 

Next one I see gets permabanned.

 

 

 

[Solomon Grundy]

10 hours ago, stevewin said:

Had VIP tickets for this practice - after it was over Allen came over to sign at the VIP tent fence.  While my son was getting his autograph, I was fumbling with my phone trying to quickly get to the camera for a pic - I missed it when he was actually signing for my son, then figured I'd at least get my son in the foreground with Allen in the background signing for the next person.  He saw what I was doing and actually stopped what he was doing and moved over to pose for a pic with my son and Dad.  It was the perfect ending for the day.  I know these guys are told to try to be patient and accommodating with the fans - but that one small gesture really struck me.  He couldn't have been nicer and more accommodating, after a long practice and facing a full gauntlet of waiting fans - taking that little extra time to create a special moment for us, when he didn't have to.  I'm rooting even harder for the guy now.

 

Love the Braves shirt!!! Raptors should have some preseason games at the arena.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Commonsense said:

People keep mentioning Phillips, is it true he has only taken snaps with the 3rd team? If so they should halt the hype train.

 

A few with the 2nds, but primarily yes he has been a 3rd string WR.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 hours ago, stevewin said:

Had VIP tickets for this practice - after it was over Allen came over to sign at the VIP tent fence.  While my son was getting his autograph, I was fumbling with my phone trying to quickly get to the camera for a pic - I missed it when he was actually signing for my son, then figured I'd at least get my son in the foreground with Allen in the background signing for the next person.  He saw what I was doing and actually stopped what he was doing and moved over to pose for a pic with my son and Dad.  It was the perfect ending for the day.  I know these guys are told to try to be patient and accommodating with the fans - but that one small gesture really struck me.  He couldn't have been nicer and more accommodating, after a long practice and facing a full gauntlet of waiting fans - taking that little extra time to create a special moment for us, when he didn't have to.  I'm rooting even harder for the guy now.

 

 

...great story....thanks for sharing.....