Allen already a factor in QB race ?

[Figster]

34 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Or as McDermott has said a number of times.   

 

Steel sharpens steel. 

Nope, but it can be an indicator.  

 

All last season McDermott said Nate wasn’t ready and he wouldn’t throw him out there w/o a good reason.   

 

 

true that on an indicator

[BB@Shooter]

3 hours ago, Elite Poster said:

 

Our QB missed more time in college and injured the same shoulder 3 times. This is fake news.

 

Rosen and Darnold will probably start, Allen should but after the NP debacle they will go AJ because of the "process" - that's how I see it. 

How did he injure the same shoulder 3 times? Whoever put that out is poorly misinformed. He hurt it his 1st game at Wyoming , got it operated on and redshirted the rest of the year. The next year he played the whole year and never got hurt. His last year he hurt it against Air Force and missed the 2nd half and the next two games. He then played in the bowl game to end his season with a blowout and win. Then played in the Senior Bowl and was North MVP. Does anyone need some more real history on Allen?

Edited July 29, 2018 by BB@Shooter

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

Me continually saying week 4 is not just plucking a number from the air..... 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Just now, BB@Shooter said:

How did he injure the same shoulder 3 times? Whoever put that out is poorly misinformed. He hurt it his 1st game at Wyoming , got it operated on and redshirted the rest of the year. The next year he played the whole year and nevery got hurt. His last year he hurt it against Air Force and missed the 2nd half and the next two games. He then played in the bowl game to end his season with a blowout and win. Then played in the Senior Bowl and was North MVP. Does anyone need some more real history on Allen?

 

 

 

..pathetic isn't it?......let's keep dwelling on his collegiate career whether injury or performance as to bonafide indicators as to what we should expect at the NFL level......lemme see if I can get this straight....a malcontent stuck in "poster's purgatory" versus McBeane and his staff of 17+, which includes many former VP's of Personnel or Pro Player Personnel Directors, probably a $4 mil/yr payroll outta Pegula's checkbook.....hardly an exact science, but which basket do YOUR eggs go in???.........

[26CornerBlitz]

11 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

Unless he wasn't ready. I believe McDermott will start whoever gives us the best chance to win and if it's Allen even better but he will not put him in too early. 

 

I couldn't be happier that we finally have coach who is willing AND ABLE to do whatever it takes to win.

 

And for me personally I will never advocate tanking or losing for picks again because it doesn't work and if you're a good GM you can find good players anywhere.

 

I spent the last 18 years wanting the Bills to lose most years to get a better QB and or coach and it was a very miserable experience. From now on I'm going to want them to win no matter what and win or lose I'm going to enjoy this team A Lot more. It will be like rooting for your favorite college team and it going to be a blast.

 

 

 

Yeah that Carson Wentz is horrible, jinx over baby!!

 

I don't know man.   He did suffer a knee injury last season.  

[BB@Shooter]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

..pathetic isn't it?......let's keep dwelling on his collegiate career whether injury or performance as to bonafide indicators as to what we should expect at the NFL level......lemme see if I can get this straight....a malcontent stuck in "poster's purgatory" versus McBeane and his staff of 17+, which includes many former VP's of Personnel or Pro Player Personnel Directors, probably a $4 mil/yr payroll outta Pegula's checkbook.....hardly an exact science, but which basket do YOUR eggs go in???.........

Exactly, let's side with the haters who can't even put out the real story. I watched Allen warm up before the San Jose State game and he was throwing bombs. He was healthy enough to play. His coach held him back to make sure. He didn't want to see him ruin his career over one game they should have won without him. But due to his inefficient OC, they lose to lowly SJSU. If Allen would have had a decent OC at Wyoming, his numbers would have been a lot better.

 

When you consistently run on down 1 and 2, and then pass on down 3, the defense pretty much knows what plays you are running. And they did, and his OC would not change it up. He is one of the worst OC's I have ever seen. And they still manage to win 8 games two years in a row with Allen. Pretty amazing.

[26CornerBlitz]

17 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

 

..pathetic isn't it?......let's keep dwelling on his collegiate career whether injury or performance as to bonafide indicators as to what we should expect at the NFL level......lemme see if I can get this straight....a malcontent stuck in "poster's purgatory" versus McBeane and his staff of 17+, which includes many former VP's of Personnel or Pro Player Personnel Directors, probably a $4 mil/yr payroll outta Pegula's checkbook.....hardly an exact science, but which basket do YOUR eggs go in???.........

 

Two people have morphed into one yet again. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Yep. And we did a terrible job of preparing and protecting Peterman last year in his first start against the Chargers. One of the first three teams we will play this year. I'm fine with sitting Allen for the first quarter of the season unless he is looking unbelievably good in the preseason.

 

...with OTAG being an obstinate old fart, I'm not backing off my opinion that Dennison's "fine whine" was behind the Peterman start and McD took the hit because he hated working with TT....Rocket Rick's game plans were woefully inconsistent....one week he would exploit TT's mobility and it worked.....the next week his plan was as if Deadsloe was the QB...so now he's the Jets problem.......

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Two people have morphed into one yet again. 

 

...expound on your wisdom............

[Kelly101]

14 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

I just want him to be consistant and get a little better each day.......

 

Anything more then that and the board will implode if he actually has a bad day

you mean the board will go crazy cheering in self righteousness, along with the 'media' on wgr.

[klos63]

15 hours ago, TigerJ said:

I'm not hoping for a specific winner in the QB competition.  I am hoping it doesn't drag on for too long.  Originally I predicted McCarron would be the winner, but the trend certainly looks like Allen can pull it out.

They wore pads on day three.  The competition is far from over, but the signs are showing improving odds for Allen.

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

[26CornerBlitz]

Predicting when each first-round QB should and will make his debut as an NFL starter

Josh Allen, Bills

 

Should debut: Week 5, vs. Titans

 

Will debut: Week 5, vs. Titans

 

The Bills start the season with a gauntlet; at the Ravens, home against the Chargers, at the Vikings, and at the Packers. Buzz's girlfriend. Woof. In a roundabout way, Nathan Peterman was the sacrificial lamb for the Bills against the Chargers' outrageous pass-rush in the November disaster for Buffalo in 2017, and I think he could take on a similar role early in the 2018 campaign.

 

I'm not a betting guy, but if I was, the +820 for Peterman to start Week One would be very close to a no-brainer. The Bills coaches like Peterman a lot, and it wouldn't surprise me if he's steadier in camp than Allen and McCarron, although he's extremely unlikely to provide the "wow" throws Buffalo's 2018 first-rounder can.

 

The Bills defense will keep them in games in September, yet 0-4 seems reasonable and a 2-2 start would be outstanding. Either way, that home outing against Tennessee seems like the logical time for Allen to make his Bills debut. The Titans defense won't be brutal this season, but it probably won't be as menacing up front as the squad's in Baltimore, Minnesota, or Los Angeles (units that finished 3rd, 2nd and 6th in Football Outsiders' Defensive DVOA in 2017), and having Allen start in Green Bay against Aaron Rodgers simply wouldn't be doing right by the young quarterback. 

 

Even one month on the sideline would be much more beneficial to Allen's chance to succeed in the NFL in Buffalo than starting him right away.

[Warcodered]

28 minutes ago, klos63 said:

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

No but one was a good pass bobbled from a receiver to the defender.

The other was Josh Allen's mistake but the defender did still have to dive to catch it apparently.

[Dadonkadonk]

My take is if AJ plays just as well as Allen then AJ should start.  Give Allen several games to watch and learn.  If AJ does well then just keep Allen on the bench and trade AJ in the off season.

If Allen is clearly the best QB then he should start game 1. 

Assuming Peterman doesn't completely fall apart he probably stays as the 3rd QB.  Not that he is needed but I suspect AJ will be a one year rental and Peterman will be the #2 next year.  If AJ is good then he gets traded. If he isn't then he will just get cut.

[Figster]

5 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

No but one was a good pass bobbled from a receiver to the defender.

The other was Josh Allen's mistake but the defender did still have to dive to catch it apparently.

Allen is fearless when it comes to making any throw.

 

I'm not hating it...

[Dadonkadonk]

15 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Predicting when each first-round QB should and will make his debut as an NFL starter

Josh Allen, Bills

 

Should debut: Week 5, vs. Titans

 

Will debut: Week 5, vs. Titans

 

The Bills start the season with a gauntlet; at the Ravens, home against the Chargers, at the Vikings, and at the Packers. Buzz's girlfriend. Woof. In a roundabout way, Nathan Peterman was the sacrificial lamb for the Bills against the Chargers' outrageous pass-rush in the November disaster for Buffalo in 2017, and I think he could take on a similar role early in the 2018 campaign.

 

I'm not a betting guy, but if I was, the +820 for Peterman to start Week One would be very close to a no-brainer. The Bills coaches like Peterman a lot, and it wouldn't surprise me if he's steadier in camp than Allen and McCarron, although he's extremely unlikely to provide the "wow" throws Buffalo's 2018 first-rounder can.

 

The Bills defense will keep them in games in September, yet 0-4 seems reasonable and a 2-2 start would be outstanding. Either way, that home outing against Tennessee seems like the logical time for Allen to make his Bills debut. The Titans defense won't be brutal this season, but it probably won't be as menacing up front as the squad's in Baltimore, Minnesota, or Los Angeles (units that finished 3rd, 2nd and 6th in Football Outsiders' Defensive DVOA in 2017), and having Allen start in Green Bay against Aaron Rodgers simply wouldn't be doing right by the young quarterback. 

 

Even one month on the sideline would be much more beneficial to Allen's chance to succeed in the NFL in Buffalo than starting him right away.

Good take on week #5.  

Peterman will play his way out of a job.  He is a guy that probably looks great in film room but his JV arm has no place on a NFL field. 

[BillsPride12]

11 minutes ago, Figster said:

Allen is fearless when it comes to making any throw.

 

I'm not hating it...

Exactly.  Even Allen at his absolute best will not be another Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers with pure accuracy all the time.  I see him being in the gunslinger mold of a Brett Favre where he will throw a bad pick here and there but he will also make some absolute beauties that will make it all worth it.  If our defense ends up being as good as I think it can be and they bring in some weapons for Allen and shore up the offensive line I am absolutely fine with having that kind of QB.  Will make for some exciting ball games 

[Figster]

10 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Exactly.  Even Allen at his absolute best will not be another Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers with pure accuracy all the time.  I see him being in the gunslinger mold of a Brett Favre where he will throw a bad pick here and there but he will also make some absolute beauties that will make it all worth it.  If our defense ends up being as good as I think it can be and they bring in some weapons for Allen and shore up the offensive line I am absolutely fine with having that kind of QB.  Will make for some exciting ball games 

 

 

Jim machine gun Kelly was also of the gunslinger mold IMO.

[26CornerBlitz]

15 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:

Exactly.  Even Allen at his absolute best will not be another Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers with pure accuracy all the time.  I see him being in the gunslinger mold of a Brett Favre where he will throw a bad pick here and there but he will also make some absolute beauties that will make it all worth it.  If our defense ends up being as good as I think it can be and they bring in some weapons for Allen and shore up the offensive line I am absolutely fine with having that kind of QB.  Will make for some exciting ball games 

 

A more athletic version of Big Ben would be an excellent outcome.

[TigerJ]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

Of course not, but one of the two interceptions was a catchable ball to Kelvin Benjamin that Benjamin tipped twice before the defender came down with it.

 

Let me make myself clear.  I don't think Josh Allen has won the starting QB battle by a long shot.  I'm not predicting he will.  I am saying that he has shown us the qualities the Bills liked about him when they drafted him, as well as the weaknesses he needs to correct.  The qualities that the Bills like include the facts that he is bright and coachable.  I think he is making some progress in addressing some of those weaknesses.  By addressing the weaknesses, he automatically helps his odds of being named the starter, but he's not there yet.   It's also clear that if he can fix his weaknesses, he has a far higher ceiling than McCarron or Peterman.  I'm hoping he can realize his potential eventually because if he does, he's far more likely to qualify as a franchise QB than McCarron or Peterman.

Edited July 29, 2018 by TigerJ
Additional comments.

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, klos63 said:

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

 

Not as long as you are here 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 hours ago, BB@Shooter said:

Exactly, let's side with the haters who can't even put out the real story. I watched Allen warm up before the San Jose State game and he was throwing bombs. He was healthy enough to play. His coach held him back to make sure. He didn't want to see him ruin his career over one game they should have won without him. But due to his inefficient OC, they lose to lowly SJSU. If Allen would have had a decent OC at Wyoming, his numbers would have been a lot better.

 

When you consistently run on down 1 and 2, and then pass on down 3, the defense pretty much knows what plays you are running. And they did, and his OC would not change it up. He is one of the worst OC's I have ever seen. And they still manage to win 8 games two years in a row with Allen. Pretty amazing.

 

...did we actually do that?.....what it part of our feared, threatening passing game, excluding DOWNFIELD?...the fallacious references to gaudy stats about our MOST FEARED passing game are a combo of amusing and pathetic.....DOWNFIELD was uncharted waters with NO TRESPASSING signs....reminds me of Billy Kilmer's "wounded ducks".....GOOGLE it youngins'....Marchibroda is rollin' over in his grave about our previous "PASSING" game...............

Edited July 29, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Bill_with_it]

2 hours ago, klos63 said:

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

Do we ignore this is his first training camp?

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, klos63 said:

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

It was his 3rd practice ever. We are looking for progress, not perfection. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, Bill_with_it said:

Do we ignore this is his first training camp?

 

 

 

...should be PLENTY for the "One 'n Done Gang", right?............minis and OTA's were ENOUGH for BUST label.................

[Seanbillsfan2206]

5 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Wanna put our asses together so Losman and Allen can hold hands ? 

Sounds like a good time to me

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, klos63 said:

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

I remember reading this quote, but couldn't find it. This was from 2015.

 

Aaron Rodgers says training camp interceptions are a good thing

Aaron Rodgers has thrown several interceptions during training camp, but the Packers quarterback says that's a good thing.

"That's what camp is all about, sorting those things out," Rodgers said, via the Packers' official website. "Seeing who's going to be sticking around for the season and who's going to be looking for a job. You have to show it in practice in order for me to feel comfortable making those throws in the games. That's what this is all about. You make some of these throws and see how the guys respond."

[Big Gun]

2 hours ago, klos63 said:

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

Yup

[Augie]

2 hours ago, Figster said:

Allen is fearless when it comes to making any throw.

 

I'm not hating it...

 

That made me immediately think of Fitzy. It could be amusing at times, but I may have been medicated. 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

38 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was his 3rd practice ever. We are looking for progress, not perfection. 

Which is true.  

 

Too bad the lines get blurry depending who’s under center.   

[Shaw66]

2 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:

Even Allen at his absolute best will not be another Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers with pure accuracy all the time. 

There's just no way anyone can know this to be true.  Do you actually believe if he starts for the next five years he won't be more accurate than he is today?  The Tom Brady we see now is NOT the Tom Brady who came into the league 18 years ago.  

 

It makes no sense to pretend we can tell today what a pro football player will be like in five or seven years. 

[26CornerBlitz]

2018 NFL season: Predicting when rookie QBs will start

With training camps getting into full swing this week, several rookie quarterbacks will encounter sky-high expectations as they embark on their NFL careers. How long will fans have to wait to see these highly touted signal callers in regular-season action? Marc Sessler reveals his projections.

 

Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills

 

Drafted: Round 1, Pick No. 7 overall.

 

Competition for the job: Veterans AJ McCarron and Nathan Peterman.

 

Path to QB1: Allen hits the scene as a raging wild card. His upside and saucy potential outshine anything we'll see from McCarron or Peterman, but Allen's lack of big-game experience is tangible. "He is the biggest and best physical specimen of all [the rookies]," one scout told longtime beat writer Bob McGinn. "He's just not as far along." I don't see a reason to fling Allen into the fire on a Bills team bereft of weapons and saddled with a questionable offensive line. This feels like Denver's quarterback room from a year ago: They'll all make starts. Allen has been compared to everyone from Troy Aikman and Carson Wentz to Jake Locker and Blake Bortles. Unless he emerges as some sort of evolutionary wunderkind in August, he'll toil in the shadows until further notice.

 

When will he start? It's a total dart throw, but Week 15 against the Lions would give the Bills a late-season, three-week gander at their quarterback of tomorrow.

[Kelly101]

3 hours ago, klos63 said:

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

nah lets get tt and his 3 points in a playoff game back

[BillsPride12]

30 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

There's just no way anyone can know this to be true.  Do you actually believe if he starts for the next five years he won't be more accurate than he is today?  The Tom Brady we see now is NOT the Tom Brady who came into the league 18 years ago.  

 

It makes no sense to pretend we can tell today what a pro football player will be like in five or seven years. 

I feel pretty confident in saying there's a 99% chance he doesn't become the next Brady or Rodgers...would I love to be wrong? Absolutely

 

Just because I don't think Brady or Rodgers is his ceiling doesn't mean I don't think he can be a great QB in the NFL 

[sven233]

4 hours ago, klos63 said:

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

 

You obviously ignored actually watching the tape of the picks yesterday.....

 

If you would have watched the actual plays, you would have seen that the first was definitely on him, but the 2nd was a fantastic ball that he should be throwing as much as possible.  Benjamin should have caught it for a TD.  It was a great throw.

 

And by the way, this is coming from someone that didn't want to draft him.....  I'm not sure he will ever pan out, but before you just go around throwing crap out like this, you should actually watch what happened instead of reading the stats somewhere.

Edited July 29, 2018 by sven233

[Teddy KGB]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

 

That made me immediately think of Fitzy. It could be amusing at times, but I may have been medicated. 

 

 

Fitz with Allen’s arm coulda been somebody 

[klos63]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

It was his 3rd practice ever. We are looking for progress, not perfection. 

I'm not expecting perfection - I was getting grief for not going all in on the progress he's made so far.  I just trying to not get ahead of ourselves here.

[The Senator]

4 hours ago, klos63 said:

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

Do we ignore Petermans 4ints on his 1st 4possrssions?

 

granted, unlike Kelly, Allen didn’t have 2 years to play for a USFL farm team. if you’re building a winning franchise, waddaya do?  Start a scrub who will throw 6-10 ints every game, or put your money on a promising rookie?

[klos63]

1 hour ago, Kelly101 said:

nah lets get tt and his 3 points in a playoff game back

I'm all behind him, just thought it was a bit ridiculous how people were reacting over a few practices. It's been a long offseason, forgot how sensitive many are on this site.

2 minutes ago, The Senator said:

Do we ignore Petermans 4ints on his 1st 4possrssions?

 

granted, unlike Kelly, Allen didn’t have 2 years to play for a USFL farm team. if you’re building a winning franchise, waddaya do?  Start a scrub who will throw 6-10 ints every game, or put your money on a promising rookie?

you play whoever gives you the best chance to win, and that really won't be determined after a few practices.

[oldmanfan]

5 hours ago, klos63 said:

Do we ignore the 2 INT's yesterday?

Yes, just like you'd ignore the good completions.  Give it time and see.

[John from Riverside]

10 minutes ago, klos63 said:

I'm all behind him, just thought it was a bit ridiculous how people were reacting over a few practices. It's been a long offseason, forgot how sensitive many are on this site.

you play whoever gives you the best chance to win, and that really won't be determined after a few practices.

You are correct that the final determination shouldn’t come after a few practices however it is a bit comforting to know that Josh Allen does not look out of place against legit NFL competition to hear some talk about it this guy was going to look like a total scrub because he came from a lesser college and didn’t have great numbers last year maybe we should trust the bills coaches a little more since they have earned it with a playoff appearance