Khalil Mack holding out... in Buffalo

[aristocrat]

Packers have two firsts next year. I’d say they lead the field for sure

[wppete]

Did we trade for Mack yet?

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Packers have two firsts next year. I’d say they lead the field for sure

How did they get the 2nd 1st? I’m blanking 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

How did they get the 2nd 1st? I’m blanking 

 

 

The Saints traded with the Packers for the No. 14 overall pick in the 2018 NFL draft.

New Orleans gave up their No. 27 pick, as well a fifth-round pick in the 2018 draft, for the Packers's 14th overall pick. The Packers will also get the Saints's first-round pick in 2019.

[thenorthremembers]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

How did they get the 2nd 1st? I’m blanking 

 

Pretty sure New Orleans gave it to them to trade up this year and get Marcus Davenport.

[YoloinOhio]

Ah that’s right. I remember the saints trading but forget whose pick they got. Still surprised they gave up a 1st for him (not that he’s not good, but that’s a huge price)

 

I could definitely see that trade working for both sides (Raiders and GB) if it happens 

[HappyDays]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Packers have two firsts next year. I’d say they lead the field for sure

 

I would think the Bills 1st is worth more than both of the Packers 1sts. Many people think the Bills will have a top 5 pick next year. The Packers picks will both be in the 20s, maybe 30s. If we want Mack we can get him. I'm not sure that's the kind of move Beane would make though.

[CommonCents]

This has gone on longer than I thought it would. Seems like him moving is an actual possibility. Are the Raiders in that bad of financial shape or are they totally bananas? You can’t get the appropriate value for a player like Mack who is coming off his rookie deal. History proves that. 

[aristocrat]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I would think the Bills 1st is worth more than both of the Packers 1sts. Many people think the Bills will have a top 5 pick next year. The Packers picks will both be in the 20s, maybe 30s. If we want Mack we can get him. I'm not sure that's the kind of move Beane would make though.

 

depends. i don't think beane is giving up a first while in a rebuild. the pack are trying to win now. i doubt they give up both but they can give up one next year and one the year after. 

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Commonsense said:

This has gone on longer than I thought it would. Seems like him moving is an actual possibility. Are the Raiders in that bad of financial shape or are they totally bananas? You can’t get the appropriate value for a player like Mack who is coming off his rookie deal. History proves that. 

If it wasn’t for Gruden I would agree but he’s seeming ego and power driven and might want to prove he can replace him cheaper 

[wppete]

If we trade for him we would have to trade a big contract in return. Jerry Hughes and a 2nd round draft pick. Mack will cost roughly $20million a year.  Luckily we have a QB on a rookie contract for the next 4 years + 1. 

[CommonCents]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

If it wasn’t for Gruden I would agree but he’s seeming ego and power driven and might want to prove he can replace him cheaper 

Bleh. I heard they think Arden Key can be a game wrecker, even comparing him to Aldon Smith. Better be right or they are making a big mistake. Ego and power is limitless when you get that guaranteed coach money. 

Edited August 14, 2018 by Commonsense

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

Bleh. I heard they think Arden Key can be a game wrecker, even comparing him to Alston Smith. Better be right or they are making a big mistake. Ego and power is limitless when you get that guaranteed coach money. 

That’s the thing - i think Reggie McKenzie is an order taker now. You don’t give a HC 100 mill gtd and don’t let him run the show. Personally i think he’s going to go down in flames but we will see.

[jahbonas]

15 minutes ago, wppete said:

If we trade for him we would have to trade a big contract in return. Jerry Hughes and a 2nd round draft pick. Mack will cost roughly $20million a year.  Luckily we have a QB on a rookie contract for the next 4 years + 1. 

 

This would give Gruden a veteran pass rusher to cushion the loss of Mack.  Also in Mcdermott/Beane's 5 year plan  an older Hughes would be ok to move  - similar could be said re Shady if that was needed in such a deal. Both are older vets not likely to be around for years 4 & 5 of the Plan - both carry significant cap.

 

I might prefer a Hughes + Shady + 3rd for Khalil Mack

[nucci]

30 minutes ago, Commonsense said:

This has gone on longer than I thought it would. Seems like him moving is an actual possibility. Are the Raiders in that bad of financial shape or are they totally bananas? You can’t get the appropriate value for a player like Mack who is coming off his rookie deal. History proves that. 

I don't think Davis has a lot of cash...he's not one of the richest owners but should still be able to sign Mack. You should always try to sign your best players

[jahbonas]

2 minutes ago, nucci said:

I don't think Davis has a lot of cash...he's not one of the richest owners but should still be able to sign Mack. You should always try to sign your best players

 

I think you are exactly right  - and maybe we could take advantage of his not so deep pockets.  We remove him from a 22 million/year  contract with 35 million up front and offer him 'star names' like Shady Mccoy & Jerry Hughes (who require no up front bonus etcc) for his entrance into Las Vegas.  We replace 2 name veterans with a younger stud who could dominate here for 6 years,  

[Solomon Grundy]

9 minutes ago, jahbonas said:

 

This would give Gruden a veteran pass rusher to cushion the loss of Mack.  Also in Mcdermott/Beane's 5 year plan  an older Hughes would be ok to move  - similar could be said re Shady if that was needed in such a deal. Both are older vets not likely to be around for years 4 & 5 of the Plan - both carry significant cap.

 

I might prefer a Hughes + Shady + 3rd for Khalil Mack

Raiders have a RB in one Marshawn "Beast Mode" Lynch. No need for Shady. They're also high on Arden Key so no need for an aging Jerry Hughes. Also they just made Donald Penn take a pay cut which freed up some money to potentially put toward Mack's salary. I'd LOVE for the Bills to acquire Mack and would give them a 1st in a NY minute. A man can dream, can't he?

[jahbonas]

20 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Raiders have a RB in one Marshawn "Beast Mode" Lynch. No need for Shady. They're also high on Arden Key so no need for an aging Jerry Hughes. Also they just made Donald Penn take a pay cut which freed up some money to potentially put toward Mack's salary. I'd LOVE for the Bills to acquire Mack and would give them a 1st in a NY minute. A man can dream, can't he?

Re Arden Key  - teams can always use more pass rushers   - they could utilize a Jerry Hughes

Re Marshawn Lynch  - he is 32 and has run for 400 yrd  and 800 yrds the last 2 years  - Shady has been at 1200 yrds each of last 2 years - Shady can be used - teams often use 2 RBs

 

Re Donald Penn  - any salary reduction he gave is a drop in the ocean when Mack demands signing bonus of 40 million ballpark or higher

 

[bobobonators]

1 hour ago, jahbonas said:

 

This would give Gruden a veteran pass rusher to cushion the loss of Mack.  Also in Mcdermott/Beane's 5 year plan  an older Hughes would be ok to move  - similar could be said re Shady if that was needed in such a deal. Both are older vets not likely to be around for years 4 & 5 of the Plan - both carry significant cap.

 

I might prefer a Hughes + Shady + 3rd for Khalil Mack

 

I dont think the Raiders could afford both Hughes and Shady contracts. Without looking that would be about a $20m cap hit

48 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Raiders have a RB in one Marshawn "Beast Mode" Lynch. No need for Shady. They're also high on Arden Key so no need for an aging Jerry Hughes. Also they just made Donald Penn take a pay cut which freed up some money to potentially put toward Mack's salary. I'd LOVE for the Bills to acquire Mack and would give them a 1st in a NY minute. A man can dream, can't he?

 

Beast mode is as much of a sure thing at this point as is the weather. Shady would instantly be the primary back for the Raiders and take that offense to another level. Lynch, if he even makes it all year, would be a nice counter punch in the red zone. 

[jahbonas]

5 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

 

I dont think the Raiders could afford both Hughes and Shady contracts. Without looking that would be about a $20m cap hit

 

Beast mode is as much of a sure thing at this point as is the weather. Shady would instantly be the primary back for the Raiders and take that offense to another level. Lynch, if he even makes it all year, would be a nice counter punch in the red zone. 

 

The 'affordability' is not the cap number/salary - its the up front guaranteed huge signing bonus ($40+ million) Mack would demand  vs the bonus Shady & Hughes demand ($0)

 

[bobobonators]

26 minutes ago, jahbonas said:

 

The 'affordability' is not the cap number/salary - its the up front guaranteed huge signing bonus ($40+ million) Mack would demand  vs the bonus Shady & Hughes demand ($0)

 

 

What i meant is im not sure if that would put the Raiders over the cap or not for this season

 

i just looked it up and the Raiders have a little more than $4m in cap space left this season (theyre near the bottom). That obviously includes what Mack is getting paid. But if they exchange Mack for Hughes and Shady, theyd be about $4-5m over the cap this season (i think Mack’s cap hit is $11m this season?). These are just straight numbers and there are more intricacies when it comes to the cap but the Raiders can’t absorb both Hughes and Shady.  

Edited August 14, 2018 by bobobonators

[jahbonas]

19 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

 

What i meant is im not sure if that would put the Raiders over the cap or not for this season

 

i just looked it up and the Raiders have a little more than $4m in cap space left this season (theyre near the bottom). That obviously includes what Mack is getting paid. But if they exchange Mack for Hughes and Shady, theyd be about $4-5m over the cap this season (i think Mack’s cap hit is $11m this season?). These are just straight numbers and there are more intricacies when it comes to the cap but the Raiders can absorb both Hughes and Shady.  

 

I saw what you meant regarding the cap - you were pretty clear  - From a Cap  Shady + Hughes = near 20 million and  Macks salary likely near 20 million......  but that doesnt matter much at all.  What does matter is Mack also would come with a $40+ million  up front signing bonus  - a team strapped for cash like the Raiders might like not having to pay that 

[billsbackto81]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/14/if-khalil-mack-is-traded-packers-are-the-betting-favorites-to-land-him/

 

Followed by the Bills at 7-1.

 

Let's continue to dream on fellas!

[Bob in STL]

Lets trade Nathan Peterman (QB)  and Jeremy Kerley (WR) to the Raiders for Khalil Mack.  The revenge of the Daryl Lamonica trade. 

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/14/if-khalil-mack-is-traded-packers-are-the-betting-favorites-to-land-him/

 

Followed by the Bills at 7-1.

 

Let's continue to dream on fellas!

Donald Trump is President.

[Pete]

Make the trade already!  I keep clicking hoping for great news

[gobills1212]

14 minutes ago, Pete said:

Make the trade already!  I keep clicking hoping for great news

You might be in for many many more moons worth of clicks...

[ndirish1978]

9 hours ago, Commonsense said:

This has gone on longer than I thought it would. Seems like him moving is an actual possibility. Are the Raiders in that bad of financial shape or are they totally bananas? You can’t get the appropriate value for a player like Mack who is coming off his rookie deal. History proves that. 

 

8 hours ago, nucci said:

I don't think Davis has a lot of cash...he's not one of the richest owners but should still be able to sign Mack. You should always try to sign your best players

 

I don't think Davis has the cash to put in escrow, run day-to-day operations and put money into moving the team. Don't forget guarantees have to be fully funded and deposited into an escrow account, that's one of the arguments NFL owners use against fully guaranteed contracts. Davis' net worth is 500M, one of the least rich owners in the league and I doubt that amount is liquid. Mack is looking at around $60M guaranteed. 

[PIZ]

2 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/14/if-khalil-mack-is-traded-packers-are-the-betting-favorites-to-land-him/

 

Followed by the Bills at 7-1.

 

Let's continue to dream on fellas!

 

Mack will void that trade because he will make it known he's not signing a long term deal with Green Bay.  Mack wants to play in Buffalo.  Just my gut feeling.

 

[Mark Vader]

24 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:

You might be in for many many more moons worth of clicks...

Yeah, if Mack has held out this long, who know how long he will sit out.

 

Is he willing to miss the entire season?

[billsbackto81]

25 minutes ago, PIZ said:

 

Mack will void that trade because he will make it known he's not signing a long term deal with Green Bay.  Mack wants to play in Buffalo.  Just my gut feeling.

 

From your lips to God's ears.

[26CornerBlitz]

27 minutes ago, PIZ said:

Mack will void that trade because he will make it known he's not signing a long term deal with Green Bay.  Mack wants to play in Buffalo.  Just my gut feeling.

 

A chance to play with a great QB like Rodgers?  I'm sure he'd hate being on a Super Bowl contender. 

[LikeIGiveADarn]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

A chance to play with a great QB like Rodgers?  I'm sure he'd hate being on a Super Bowl contender. 

 

Are they really a SB contender though? They share a division with the Vikings, so they are probably going for a wildcard the next few years, and beyond Rodgers, not much else talent wise.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, LikeIGiveADarn said:

 

Are they really a SB contender though? They share a division with the Vikings, so they are probably going for a wildcard the next few years, and beyond Rodgers, not much else talent wise.

 

They are as long as he's healthy and he has several more seasons left in his career. 

Edited August 14, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[LikeIGiveADarn]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

They are as long as he's healthy and he has several more seasons left in his career. 

 

Look at the Saints. An All Star QB and not much else only get's you through the regular season.

 

IF Josh Allen is a hit, the Bills will be entering their Goldilocks zone for SB contention very soon. Could see that being a draw for a guy that already loves the city of Buffalo.

Edited August 14, 2018 by LikeIGiveADarn

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, LikeIGiveADarn said:

 

Look at the Saints. An All Star QB and not much else only get's you through the regular season.

 

IF Josh Allen is a hit, the Bills will be entering their Goldilocks zone for SB contention very soon. Could see that being a draw for a guy that already loves the city of Buffalo.

 

Saints?  They are so much more than Brees with a talent laden roster and they should have beaten the Vikings.  Check that out for yourself.

 

Don't give me the IF with Allen and even the oddsmakers favor the Pack as a destination if a Mack trade comes to fruition.  Not a good sales job. 

[Cornette's Commentary]

11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

They are as long as he's healthy and he has several more seasons left in his career. 

This.  I am BEGGING someone to put this thread out of its misery.  The reason why the Packers are the betting favorites, is because they have this guy throwing the ball named Aaron Rodgers.  So, given that they have Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball, the Packers can AFFORD to give up multiple years of 1sts and 2nds and roster players for Mack.

Do the Bills have Aaron Rodgers throwing the ball?  Absolutely not.  Therefore, Beane is NOT going to give away valuable future picks, just so that you people can wear red, white and blue jerseys with the #52 on Sundays.

Edited August 14, 2018 by Cornette's Commentary

[LikeIGiveADarn]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Saints?  They are so much more than Brees with a talent laden roster and they should have beaten the Vikings.  Check that out for yourself.

 

Don't give me the IF with Allen and even the oddsmakers favor the Pack as a destination if a Mack trade comes to fruition.  Not a good sales job.  

 

This last season aside, what have the Saints done lately? 3 straight 7-9 seasons prior to this year.

 

And the Pack are favored because they have two 1sts to give next year, that's it. Mack wants to be in Buffalo. He's here now. Why would any other team give a boatload of picks when they know he wants to be elsewhere?

[BillsFan4]

I read that the Raiders and Khalil Mack haven’t even talked since February, and that Gruden has not spoken with Mack since he was hired. 

 

Kinda crazy if true

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, LikeIGiveADarn said:

 

This last season aside, what have the Saints done lately? 3 straight 7-9 seasons prior to this year.

 

And the Pack are favored because they have two 1sts to give next year, that's it. Mack wants to be in Buffalo. He's here now. Why would any other team give a boatload of picks when they know he wants to be elsewhere?

 

The Saints are loaded.  Check it out for yourself and they don't rely on Brees as much as they did in the past.  They are well balanced in all phases of the game.

 

Mack wants to be in Buffalo? Where has this been confirmed?  He was in Buffalo a while back to visit his brother who plays at UB.