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The Stadium Wall Forensics Unit is all over the McCoy case. Those meddling kids 😠

 

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4 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

What does frivolously tipping badly have to do with conflict resolution? Maybe he just bad service, or there was a fly in his soup.

 

 

The reporter was admitting that what he said ... tipping badly ... was frivolous. He wasn't accusing Shady of being frivolous by tipping badly.

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4 hours ago, greenyellowred said:

I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with his conclusions, but these are some excerpts of what Marcus Hayes of the Philadelphia Inquirer reported today:

 

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/lesean-mccoy-buffalo-bills-allegations-philadelphia-eagles-marcus-hayes-20180711.html

 

"[Shady] took that opportunity to remind me of something I’d written after his rookie season, in which I’d characterized him as something other than the world’s greatest young running back. As a rookie, McCoy, a second-round pick, shared the starting role with two other running backs. My characterization was accurate at the time, but I congratulated him on the progress he’d made in the year since.

 

He replied with a loud string of expletives. He impugned my professionalism, my acumen, and my intelligence … and then he stuck his finger in my face and told me he should kick my “[bleeping] ass.”

 

[...]

 

About a year later, in the locker room while I was waiting to interview another player, McCoy called me over to his locker. Asante Samuel, his good friend, stood next to him. There, McCoy began to deride me again for a subsequent story. I told him I had no interest in having that conversation in that space. At that point, Samuel grabbed me by the arm to hold me in place.

 

[...]

 

But these incidents, combined with others in McCoy’s past, paint the picture of, at the very least, a man who struggles to resolve conflict with civility. He has been connected with a nightclub brawlkicking a female guest off a party bus on the New Jersey Turnpike and, frivolously, tipping badly."

 

"Tipping badly."  :lol:

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3 hours ago, Limeaid said:

Writer sounds like Sully who thought story was about writer not player.

 

 

Sometimes the story involves the writer. This one did. When it does, it's OK to report it.

 

A war correspondent doesn't have to leave it out of the story if he gets shot in the leg, for instance. The Shady at the TV studio story is obviously a much less serious incident than my hypothetical there, but the point is the same. When the story overtakes the reporter and he becomes involved, there's nothing wrong with writing about that.

 

 

12 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

"Tipping badly."  :lol:

 

 

I know, kinda funny.

 

But in the OP this is presented as the conclusion, where in the story it's just somewhere in the middle as an interesting / funny note in paragraph 11 of 20.. Fair enough to think it's irrelevant. To me, though, it helps paint a picture.

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I'd take this tact when drafting and signing free agents and have maintained over and over on this board: you employee intelligent (mentally and emotionally) people who work hard and are committed to the team beyond their own stats. Guys like McCoy and Dareus (currently in the news) are wasted investments of time, energy, and capital resources. McCoy is undoubtedly talented but is the risk of dragging the team, its players, owners, and fans through the mud worth a few more yards than the guy who gets you similar stats but packaged in a better human being? Is it worth the money to have them suspended? Dareus was loved around these parts and his transgression chalked up to excuses. BS. He was an immature punk who had role models in his life and in that locker room who he refused to listen to. Guy was a loser. Is a loser. Always will be a loser. What did this team get from McCoy, Henry, Lynch, and McGahee other than headaches? And what did we get from seemingly less talented players like Jackson? Character flags are no go in my book. 

 

If there is one collective thing I love about McBeane its their commitment to culture and character. I firmly believe it's why Watkins was traded (he of the 10 target demand) and Darby was traded (he of the lying to the league, apparently) to cover for another scum bag (Winston). It's why Dareus is gone. It's why McCoy hopefully is gone. It's why Rosen wasn;t their pick. It's what cost talented QBs like Cutler and Leaf (no questioning the talent) their careers... immaturity and stupidity. 

 

Give me Fred Jacksons and Lorenzo Alexanders all day. 

 

If you're sticking up for McCoy's act, making excuses at every turn because of your fanboydom, you lack that emotional intelligence too - the ability to separate a skill from the character of the (in)human that possesses it. 

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3 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said:

I doubt the reporter's version of events is accurate. He come's across like a Jerry Sullivan type. Shady probably didn't like what was said, and this reporter probably gave him an attitude.

 

Why do I get the feeling you and FadingPain are the same person? You seriously don't have multiple accounts, correct?

 

Nope, just a person who loves the Bills and the game of football and who happens to agree with somebody else who just doesn't brush off a woman getting pistol whipped. No conspiracies here or Russian Bot accounts. Just a guy who is hoping to help other reasonable people to give-a-darn about violence on women.

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Call me crazy, but...

 

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

If guilty, then I will start talking about what a piece of **** he is, but until that moment he gets the benefit of the doubt.

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2 hours ago, Buftex said:

He's always been an !@#$, nothing would surprise me.  

I agree, he has played his last football in a Bills uniform, but I think it may take a little longer.  

 

It'll take longer. Not sure how long exactly but it'll happen quickly once they identify the assailant. That dude will flip faster than General Flynn

 

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So do a lot of people on this board but that’s what the ignore feature is for 

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3 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Sorry OP...no disrespect.  This is dumb.

 

No one ever said Shady was a model human being.  We knew what we were getting when we traded for him.  Doesn’t necessarily mean he did or didn’t do what he is currently accused of.

Exactly. Being a pretentious bully type diva dude doesn't make him guilty of paying people to do home invasions and beatings of ex-GFs. Public lynching is really back thanks to the web. It would help if the "justice system" wasn't so damn slow though!

 

With Ray Rice there was video evidence, here it's pics that doesn't prove any of his involvement.  Thankfully, he has the $$$ to get defended well.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, zonabb said:

I'd take this tact when drafting and signing free agents and have maintained over and over on this board: you employee intelligent (mentally and emotionally) people who work hard and are committed to the team beyond their own stats. Guys like McCoy and Dareus (currently in the news) are wasted investments of time, energy, and capital resources. McCoy is undoubtedly talented but is the risk of dragging the team, its players, owners, and fans through the mud worth a few more yards than the guy who gets you similar stats but packaged in a better human being? Is it worth the money to have them suspended? Dareus was loved around these parts and his transgression chalked up to excuses. BS. He was an immature punk who had role models in his life and in that locker room who he refused to listen to. Guy was a loser. Is a loser. Always will be a loser. What did this team get from McCoy, Henry, Lynch, and McGahee other than headaches? And what did we get from seemingly less talented players like Jackson? Character flags are no go in my book. 

 

If there is one collective thing I love about McBeane its their commitment to culture and character. I firmly believe it's why Watkins was traded (he of the 10 target demand) and Darby was traded (he of the lying to the league, apparently) to cover for another scum bag (Winston). It's why Dareus is gone. It's why McCoy hopefully is gone. It's why Rosen wasn;t their pick. It's what cost talented QBs like Cutler and Leaf (no questioning the talent) their careers... immaturity and stupidity. 

 

Give me Fred Jacksons and Lorenzo Alexanders all day. 

 

If you're sticking up for McCoy's act, making excuses at every turn because of your fanboydom, you lack that emotional intelligence too - the ability to separate a skill from the character of the (in)human that possesses it. 

 

 

Rosen should not be equated with those other guys. Nor Watkins (a salary cap and draft capital move if there ever was one). Probably Cutler besides, a guy whose career was ended by inconsistency rather than immaturity.

 

Having said that, yeah, I like that they're building around character guys. Get enough of them and your locker room becomes a place where people work harder and get better.

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Guilty until proven innocent.  BTW, did she make a rock solid declaration that McCoy was the perp?  That is, did she see actually see who struck her and ID McCoy?  Can it be proven without a shadow of a doubt beyond her saying it was him, such as security camera footage?  And a lot of people new about the jewelry, so taking it could be a cover to implicate Shady.  Evidence could be heavily circumstantial.

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6 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

Is it a surprise that a guy like McCoy would attempt to resolve conflict through violence?

 

Around here, they call it "Occam's Shaver" [sic] folks! 

 

If it smells like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

 

If it seems obvious Shady was stupid enough to pay thugs to commit crimes in furtherance of fetching personal belongings from a woman, and they committed additional crimes in so doing, he probably did it.  And assuming the appropriate people do their jobs correctly, Shady is 1) gone from the league, 2) facing tons of civil liability, and 3) maybe about to do some jail time.  

 

Much less likely that the victim punched herself in the face a few dozen times and faked the whole thing.

 

 

At first I thought the photo might be staged, but now I'm having serious doubts. Tanya Harding all over again. If Shady set this up then enjoy your career being over and a jail cell.

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8 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said:

Sorry OP...no disrespect.  This is dumb.

 

No one ever said Shady was a model human being.  We knew what we were getting when we traded for him.  Doesn’t necessarily mean he did or didn’t do what he is currently accused of.

He was simply posting an article.  He didnt say he agreed or disagreed.  

4 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

Guilty until proven innocent.  BTW, did she make a rock solid declaration that McCoy was the perp?  That is, did she see actually see who struck her and ID McCoy?  Can it be proven without a shadow of a doubt beyond her saying it was him, such as security camera footage?  And a lot of people new about the jewelry, so taking it could be a cover to implicate Shady.  Evidence could be heavily circumstantial.

Well we know he didnt do it personally right?  I heard he was in a different state dont know if thats been verified though.  The issue seems to be whether he hired someone to do it.

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12 hours ago, JerseyBills said:

Lol... This is a reach if I ever seen one...#FakeNews

Everyone who says this sounds retarded af. Just sayin

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9 hours ago, Mickey said:

The Stadium Wall Forensics Unit is all over the McCoy case. Those meddling kids 😠

 

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60s era Batmobile, or the Mystery Machine?  Overmatched either way...I think they better call Horatio Caine and 'CSI:Miami' for help.

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How would they know? 

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9 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

Exactly. Being a pretentious bully type diva dude doesn't make him guilty of paying people to do home invasions and beatings of ex-GFs. Public lynching is really back thanks to the web. It would help if the "justice system" wasn't so damn slow though!

 

With Ray Rice there was video evidence, here it's pics that doesn't prove any of his involvement.  Thankfully, he has the $$$ to get defended well.

 

 

 

 

But here's the thing, it's not dumb.  Beat writers aren't going to go tattling on everything that happens between them and an athlete after a story is written where the said athlete disagrees with the story.  He's stating this only now, because it's pertinent to bigger story and frankly people need to know what's out there about LeSean in terms of making a judgement call.  He said twice that it doesn't make him guilty - the story is to provide reference (and clicks) Taking the word of a reporter should be easier and people dismissing it as #fakenews is lazy. But that's a whole other topic.

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"Shady" is the perfect nickname for his character....

 

I won't presume anything not factually proven or at least with strong corroborating evidence to support the assertion that he was involved. Of course there are many circumstantial pieces that point to him and certainly his history (regardless of the article) shows he has questionable decision making regarding friends / acquaintances and what he does in his free time. 

 

What happened to that young woman is horrific and I'm sure she will suffer from PTSD for years to come, but as has been said so many times on this board he is truly innocent until proven guilty. However, keeping that standard in mind, rarely if ever does the justice system work so neatly and cleanly as a solid verdict clearing all the questions. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say in the end - which will take for-freaking-ever, a person will be caught and charged, that person will be offered a plea based on cooperation and testimony, IF and that's a huge IF Shady is involved, there will be a long trial and in the end, Shady will eventually be found guilty of a misdemeanor receiving something along the lines of Probation a fine and some community service as well as a permanent Order of Protection. 

 

However, for football it is more complex because Beane and his team won't know what happened until the legal system has completed its process but the Bills were absolutely depending on McCoy to be a big part of the Offense maybe even more this year and dependent on one RB probably more than they will in the years to come which creates another problem. The Bills could hang (and I think they already have) their hat on McCoy being the beast of the Offense while either a game manager or Rookie lead the Offense and the Defense being strong and the principal unit to lead the team in wins. Without McCoy or someone coming out of the shadows to replace his productivity - not his style, that is truly unique - then I think Beane fears the season is much, much harder to achieve their intended results. 

 

Legal issues will take quite a long time - football waits for no one and the season is rolling up on us quicker than we think and they need to make a decision. 

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No idea if he is guilty for sure, but if forced to bet, I would put it on guilty.

 

I think it's funny that anyone thinks the journalist made his story up.

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1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

60s era Batmobile, or the Mystery Machine?  Overmatched either way...I think they better call Horatio Caine and 'CSI:Miami' for help.

 

 

Detective Monk has been called in as a consultant:

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The worst part of the article is that (supposedly) a professional Cornerback couldn’t hold onto a news reporter... that’s embarrassing. 

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10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

The reporter was admitting that what he said ... tipping badly ... was frivolous. He wasn't accusing Shady of being frivolous by tipping badly.

 

If it's frivolous, why mention it?

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10 hours ago, Shotgunner said:

Call me crazy, but...

 

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

If guilty, then I will start talking about what a piece of **** he is, but until that moment he gets the benefit of the doubt.

 

Call me crazy, but....

 

i dont have to let a jury decide my opinions on everything. Ultimately, he seems a bit of a sketchy guy, who we suspect has a temper regardless of this outcome, and gets into bad situations. If A friend of family member told me they were hanging with shady, I’d likely advise to make sure you are putting yourself in good situations. 

 

If more evidence comes out, I’d likely ramp that sentiment up, but I don’t need a jury to dictate that.

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17 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Call me crazy, but....

 

i dont have to let a jury decide my opinions on everything. Ultimately, he seems a bit of a sketchy guy, who we suspect has a temper regardless of this outcome, and gets into bad situations. If A friend of family member told me they were hanging with shady, I’d likely advise to make sure you are putting yourself in good situations. 

 

If more evidence comes out, I’d likely ramp that sentiment up, but I don’t need a jury to dictate that.

 

So what's your opinion on whether on whether Shady was involved or not, and how did you arrive at that opinion? Just trying to understand the thought process given the dearth of facts.

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