Philadelphia Inquirer staff writer says Shady struggles with resolving conflicts civilly

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

9 hours ago, Mickey said:

The Stadium Wall Forensics Unit is all over the McCoy case. Those meddling kids ?

 

 

60s era Batmobile, or the Mystery Machine?  Overmatched either way...I think they better call Horatio Caine and 'CSI:Miami' for help.

[mead107]

How would they know? 

[Fallser]

9 hours ago, Jerome007 said:

Exactly. Being a pretentious bully type diva dude doesn't make him guilty of paying people to do home invasions and beatings of ex-GFs. Public lynching is really back thanks to the web. It would help if the "justice system" wasn't so damn slow though!

 

With Ray Rice there was video evidence, here it's pics that doesn't prove any of his involvement.  Thankfully, he has the $$$ to get defended well.

 

 

 

 

But here's the thing, it's not dumb.  Beat writers aren't going to go tattling on everything that happens between them and an athlete after a story is written where the said athlete disagrees with the story.  He's stating this only now, because it's pertinent to bigger story and frankly people need to know what's out there about LeSean in terms of making a judgement call.  He said twice that it doesn't make him guilty - the story is to provide reference (and clicks) Taking the word of a reporter should be easier and people dismissing it as #fakenews is lazy. But that's a whole other topic.

[BigBuff423]

"Shady" is the perfect nickname for his character....

 

I won't presume anything not factually proven or at least with strong corroborating evidence to support the assertion that he was involved. Of course there are many circumstantial pieces that point to him and certainly his history (regardless of the article) shows he has questionable decision making regarding friends / acquaintances and what he does in his free time. 

 

What happened to that young woman is horrific and I'm sure she will suffer from PTSD for years to come, but as has been said so many times on this board he is truly innocent until proven guilty. However, keeping that standard in mind, rarely if ever does the justice system work so neatly and cleanly as a solid verdict clearing all the questions. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say in the end - which will take for-freaking-ever, a person will be caught and charged, that person will be offered a plea based on cooperation and testimony, IF and that's a huge IF Shady is involved, there will be a long trial and in the end, Shady will eventually be found guilty of a misdemeanor receiving something along the lines of Probation a fine and some community service as well as a permanent Order of Protection. 

 

However, for football it is more complex because Beane and his team won't know what happened until the legal system has completed its process but the Bills were absolutely depending on McCoy to be a big part of the Offense maybe even more this year and dependent on one RB probably more than they will in the years to come which creates another problem. The Bills could hang (and I think they already have) their hat on McCoy being the beast of the Offense while either a game manager or Rookie lead the Offense and the Defense being strong and the principal unit to lead the team in wins. Without McCoy or someone coming out of the shadows to replace his productivity - not his style, that is truly unique - then I think Beane fears the season is much, much harder to achieve their intended results. 

 

Legal issues will take quite a long time - football waits for no one and the season is rolling up on us quicker than we think and they need to make a decision. 

[Kemp]

No idea if he is guilty for sure, but if forced to bet, I would put it on guilty.

 

I think it's funny that anyone thinks the journalist made his story up.

[Mickey]

1 hour ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

60s era Batmobile, or the Mystery Machine?  Overmatched either way...I think they better call Horatio Caine and 'CSI:Miami' for help.

 

 

Detective Monk has been called in as a consultant:

[whatdrought]

The worst part of the article is that (supposedly) a professional Cornerback couldn’t hold onto a news reporter... that’s embarrassing. 

[Sky Diver]

10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

The reporter was admitting that what he said ... tipping badly ... was frivolous. He wasn't accusing Shady of being frivolous by tipping badly.

 

If it's frivolous, why mention it?

[NoSaint]

10 hours ago, Shotgunner said:

Call me crazy, but...

 

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

If guilty, then I will start talking about what a piece of **** he is, but until that moment he gets the benefit of the doubt.

 

Call me crazy, but....

 

i dont have to let a jury decide my opinions on everything. Ultimately, he seems a bit of a sketchy guy, who we suspect has a temper regardless of this outcome, and gets into bad situations. If A friend of family member told me they were hanging with shady, I’d likely advise to make sure you are putting yourself in good situations. 

 

If more evidence comes out, I’d likely ramp that sentiment up, but I don’t need a jury to dictate that.

[Sky Diver]

17 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Call me crazy, but....

 

i dont have to let a jury decide my opinions on everything. Ultimately, he seems a bit of a sketchy guy, who we suspect has a temper regardless of this outcome, and gets into bad situations. If A friend of family member told me they were hanging with shady, I’d likely advise to make sure you are putting yourself in good situations. 

 

If more evidence comes out, I’d likely ramp that sentiment up, but I don’t need a jury to dictate that.

 

So what's your opinion on whether on whether Shady was involved or not, and how did you arrive at that opinion? Just trying to understand the thought process given the dearth of facts.

[PastaJoe]

I was at the Jersey Shore on vacation, and the McCoy story was one of the top news stories on the local Philly tv news.

[JohnC]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Call me crazy, but....

 

i dont have to let a jury decide my opinions on everything. Ultimately, he seems a bit of a sketchy guy, who we suspect has a temper regardless of this outcome, and gets into bad situations. If A friend of family member told me they were hanging with shady, I’d likely advise to make sure you are putting yourself in good situations. 

 

If more evidence comes out, I’d likely ramp that sentiment up, but I don’t need a jury to dictate that.

I understand the sentiment you are conveying about being discriminating about whom you associate with. But on a football team, or even in the business/work world, you as an individual are going to be in the midst of a wide array of people with different personalities and personal ethics. I agree with McDermott's attempt at considering character and personality traits when selecting players. But in the real world you are not going to insulate yourself from all the characters who deviate from the responsible norm. You just do your best to build up a critical mass of people who create a culture/environment where responsible behavior prevails with the recognition that you will still have to contend with the foibles of humans, sometime spilling over into very bad situations.  

 

I haven't specifically commented on the McCoy situation in Atlanta. I just don't have enough information to make a fair judgment. But what I can say is that McCoy is the type of person who when drawn into a problematic situation is not the type of sober thinking person who can defuse the situation with mature thinking and behavior. There is a volatility about him that only inflames a challenging situation. Sometimes traits that make you a special player on the football field can get you into serious trouble when you are functioning in the civilian world. Without jumping to a conclusion in this situation that doesn't mean that I am not troubled and suspicious about it. 

[rodneykm]

3 hours ago, Gigs said:

Everyone who says this sounds retarded af. Just sayin

 

I hate the term too. That being said, I think the term #ExtremelySlantedOneWay is absolutely fair in this day and age. 

[Royale with Cheese]

21 minutes ago, PastaJoe said:

I was at the Jersey Shore on vacation, and the McCoy story was one of the top news stories on the local Philly tv news.

 

It was the headline news here in Atlanta as well.

[TigerJ]

It would not surprise me in the least to learn that Shady is a hothead, but there is a world of difference between getting involved in a bar fight and hiring a thug to beat up his girlfriend to get back some jewelry.  That's not to say he's guilty of the latter, but that is essentially the allegation.

[row_33]

15 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Innocent until proven guilty, but you have to admit that unless this whole thing was staged to get back at McCoy, which isn’t very likely, I don’t think that McCoy will ever step on a football field again.

 

 

 

he cannot be sentence to prison without being found guilty

 

a ton of awful helter skelter can be placed upon him over an accusation, false or true though

 

 

[Heavy Kevi]

1 hour ago, NoSaint said:

 

Call me crazy, but....

 

i dont have to let a jury decide my opinions on everything. Ultimately, he seems a bit of a sketchy guy, who we suspect has a temper regardless of this outcome, and gets into bad situations. If A friend of family member told me they were hanging with shady, I’d likely advise to make sure you are putting yourself in good situations. 

 

If more evidence comes out, I’d likely ramp that sentiment up, but I don’t need a jury to dictate that.

 

Unless you have more info than the rest of us, you are crazy.

 

There is a massive difference between "a bit of a sketchy guy" and a sick animal capable of woman abuse.

 

I wouldn't say I need a jury to decide, but since I don't have all the facts (and frankly neither do you), I will wait for the jury since it's the only group of citizens that will even see all the info. Put me on the jury and I'll decide for myself, but that won't happen.

 

I get it, you aren't in the minority, everyone just assumes bad things are true because you don't like his vibe or whatever. Being wrongly accused (and deemed guilty on social media) can be just as much of an terrible ordeal as what she went through. If Shady loses everything because people like you mark him guilty with almost no info, and he's actually innocent, it's a goddam tradgedy.

 

So yes, I believe in benefit of the doubt. I don't prejudge situations that I don't know enough about, but maybe that's just me.

[row_33]

you don't have a right to play in the NFL, your contract is probably laden with stuff that lets the team release you without compensation

 

for players past their prime a team is quite ready to invoke and inflict it when it can suit them

 

 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

The worst part of the article is that (supposedly) a professional Cornerback couldn’t hold onto a news reporter... that’s embarrassing. 

 

I missed that part...was his last name Gilmore? 

[whatdrought]

55 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I missed that part...was his last name Gilmore? 

 

Assante Samuel. It was when Shady was in Philly. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

4 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

 

If it's frivolous, why mention it?

Well, It wasn't just 'tipping'.  It was 'cow tipping'.

[Sky Diver]

13 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Well, It wasn't just 'tipping'.  It was 'cow tipping'.

 

That’s not frivoulous.:)

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

It is when you see how he tips them...

[Fadingpain]

Back when "The Sopranos" was current and a huge TV success, show creator David Chase was doing some type of promo interview on HBO.

 

He was discussing how the show tries to demonstrate that Tony Soprano struggles to resolve conflict through any means other than violence.  It was an interesting conversation at the time.

 

I was thinking of that when this thread was created and this story from The Philadelphia Inquirer broke.

 

McCoy is like Tony, a mafioso.  Seems about right.

 

 

 

 

[papazoid]

these 3 pages could be helping the other shady thread get to 200 pages quicker

[Augie]

2 hours ago, whatdrought said:

 

Assante Samuel. It was when Shady was in Philly. 

 

Well, Iwas going more along the lines of “Club Hand Gilmore” who couldn’t tackle a toddler without embarrassing himself there for a while.   Why he was out there........is beyond me......

[GoBills808]

"Boston Globe reports Aaron Hernandez suffers from poor decision-making skills'

[PromoTheRobot]

The more I think about this article, the more I ask myself what is the reporter's point other than to throw shade on Shady for being dickish to him?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 7/11/2018 at 4:43 PM, Fadingpain said:

Is it a surprise that a guy like McCoy would attempt to resolve conflict through violence?

 

Around here, they call it "Occam's Shaver" [sic] folks! 

 

If it smells like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck.

 

If it seems obvious Shady was stupid enough to pay thugs to commit crimes in furtherance of fetching personal belongings from a woman, and they committed additional crimes in so doing, he probably did it.  And assuming the appropriate people do their jobs correctly, Shady is 1) gone from the league, 2) facing tons of civil liability, and 3) maybe about to do some jail time.  

 

Much less likely that the victim punched herself in the face a few dozen times and faked the whole thing.

Shady is a bit "gangsta". 

He has bodyguards/hangers on who follow him around and are willing to get physical to move people Shady wants moved, who are in his immediate space.

 

But Shady also loves his career. 

A year ago, Shady chose to file court proceedings against this woman, including (as I understand it) asking for the return of the jewelry and for her to move out.

 

So why would he, with the court date finally fast approaching, now choose to pay thugs to commit crimes on his behalf?  There's a difference between having a bodyguard put a woman off his bus, first on the side of the road then at a rest stop, or your friend, without being asked, holding a reporter by the arm to keep him from walking away while you're talking, vs sending thugs to pistol-whip a woman in your house.

 

I don't think the victim punched herself in the face a few dozen times. 

But then looking at her face, I don't think she was punched in the face a few dozen times.

 

I think we need some facts to come out.

 

 

[Soda Popinski]

22 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I missed that part...was his last name Gilmore? 

That's funny

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

The more I think about this article, the more I ask myself what is the reporter's point other than to throw shade on Shady for being dickish to him?

 

The reporter is trying to make a link between a Shady being salty about press criticism, having bodyguards who put a woman off a party bus, and being a poor tipper VS. sending thugs to beat a woman up and collect jewelry/truth in the woman's friends Instagram allegations. 

 

I don't see the clear link.  A lot of people are d*cks in a minor way without being criminals.

 

Keep in mind that the woman has been living rent-free in Shady's house for >18 months with herself and her two kids (neither of them Shady's), and a court date was approaching.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

The reporter is trying to make a link between a Shady being salty about press criticism, having bodyguards who put a woman off a party bus, and being a poor tipper VS. sending thugs to beat a woman up and collect jewelry/truth in the woman's friends Instagram allegations. 

 

I don't see the clear link.  A lot of people are d*cks in a minor way without being criminals.

 

Keep in mind that the woman has been living rent-free in Shady's house for >18 months with herself and her two kids (neither of them Shady's), and a court date was approaching.

 

It still feels like an attempt to color opinion on McCoy at a time he's being implicated in a grievous offense..

Edited July 13, 2018 by PromoTheRobot

[John from Riverside]

Stand behind your articles and defend them then?

 

"Im gonna write a bad article about you"

"no I dont care to discuss it with you"

"excuse me...I need to go write a bad article about you"

[Dopey]

On 7/11/2018 at 6:24 PM, Lfod said:

Shady is gangster. 

a P.O.S.

JMO, even before he got here. Asking for pics and a signed release for a party he was throwing for "fine" women, waiting for the guys/cops to get beat down, before his punk-ass gets involved. Plus, you don't need a posse unless you have people after you for some reason. I obviously have no proof, but would not be surprised at all if info comes out that he was involved. From his statement:

"Furthermore, I have not had any direct contact with any of the people involved in months."

 

 I thought that statement was curious. Anything INDIRECT, Shady?!?!

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 7/12/2018 at 9:02 AM, row_33 said:

you don't have a right to play in the NFL, your contract is probably laden with stuff that lets the team release you without compensation

for players past their prime a team is quite ready to invoke and inflict it when it can suit them

 

If the Bills were to release Shady, they would take $5.25M dead cap hit.  He has no guaranteed money remaining in his 2018 salary.

 

I doubt that Shady's current contract has any language that would let them recover it beyond the pro-rated  per-game relief granted by the NFL when a player is suspended by them; Dareus contract did not have such language.

 

 

34 minutes ago, Dopey said:

a P.O.S.

JMO, even before he got here. Asking for pics and a signed release for a party he was throwing for "fine" women, waiting for the guys/cops to get beat down, before his punk-ass gets involved. Plus, you don't need a posse unless you have people after you for some reason. I obviously have no proof, but would not be surprised at all if info comes out that he was involved. From his statement:

"Furthermore, I have not had any direct contact with any of the people involved in months."

 

 I thought that statement was curious. Anything INDIRECT, Shady?!?!

 

He has known indirect contact in the last couple months.

 

He sent his mom and a firm of movers to collect clothing, shoes, personal items (successful) and furniture from the house.

He sent someone (probably a process server) to serve notice of eviction proceedings

Then he sent an alarm company to remove the security cameras by which Cordon learned Shady's movers were there, and sent a different alarm company to install a security system to which he did not provide Cordon access. 

 

This is all out there, and I'm sure Shady's statement was crafted by a lawyer to be legally correct given the above, so it's not particularly curious.

 

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

It still feels like an attempt to color opinion on McCoy at a time he's being implicated in a grievous offense..

 

Absolutely I see it the same way.

[mrags]

On 7/11/2018 at 10:09 PM, Shotgunner said:

Call me crazy, but...

 

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

If guilty, then I will start talking about what a piece of **** he is, but until that moment he gets the benefit of the doubt.

Actually. That’s for the courts to decide. On a personal level, From someone that has nothing to do with the situation; he was accused by someone of committing an act. It should actually be he is guilty until he can prove he had nothing to do with it. 

 

And for the record, I’m just curious if you believe OJ killed 2 people? Because the courts decided he was innocent, however the majority of the public believe a murderer got away. 

Edited July 13, 2018 by mrags

[JohnC]

25 minutes ago, mrags said:

Actually. That’s for the courts to decide. On a personal level, From someone that has nothing to do with the situation; he was accused by someone of committing an act. It should actually be he is guilty until he can prove he had nothing to do with it.

 

And for the record, I’m just curious if you believe OJ killed 2 people? Because the courts decided he was innocent, however the majority of the public believe a murderer got away. 

You have an odd and perverse notion of fairness and justice. To say that he should be assumed guilty because of an accusation is ludicrous. I don't know if he is guilty or not. There is nothing wrong with not knowing at this stage of the investigation. 

 

With respect to your question on whether I believe OJ killed two people? I would say yes. However, I can base my judgment on the overwhelming evidence presented in that case. That doesn't come close to this McCoy situation. 

[mrags]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

You have an odd and perverse notion of fairness and justice. To say that he should be assumed guilty because of an accusation is ludicrous. I don't know if he is guilty or not. There is nothing wrong with not knowing at this stage of the investigation. 

 

With respect to your question on whether I believe OJ killed two people? I would say yes. However, I can base my judgment on the overwhelming evidence presented in that case. That doesn't come close to this McCoy situation. 

So someone accusing someone of beating them or having them beaten. Along with beating a child. Abusing a dog. And using multiple drugs isn’t good enough for you to believe that someone could be a real POS that did everything she said he did. Got ya 

 

but the jury released OJ proving he was innocent wasn’t good enough for your own opinions of him. Makes sense. It sounds like you believe what you want to believe.

 

which is completely fine, however you have an issue with me believing what I want to believe about Shady. He has don’t absolutely nothing to make me believe he is or could be innocent up to this point. In fact the stories and facts of him seem to make me believe the opposite. This is a guy that’s been involved in bar fights with police (off duty). Known to be a punk off the field out in the public. And on the field doesn’t have the decency to stand up for his opinions. Like the time he refused to stand for the national anthem and then had the lack of a sack to say that’s what he was really doing. Instead claiming he always stretches during the anthem. Which is absolute BS. 

 

It’s funny how people think sometimes. To each his own I guess. 

Edited July 13, 2018 by mrags

[JohnC]

59 minutes ago, mrags said:

So someone accusing someone of beating them or having them beaten. Along with beating a child. Abusing a dog. And using multiple drugs isn’t good enough for you to believe that someone could be a real POS that did everything she said he did. Got ya 

 

but the jury released OJ proving he was innocent wasn’t good enough for your own opinions of him. Makes sense. It sounds like you believe what you want to believe.

 

which is completely fine, however you have an issue with me believing what I want to believe about Shady. He has don’t absolutely nothing to make me believe he is or could be innocent up to this point. In fact the stories and facts of him seem to make me believe the opposite. This is a guy that’s been involved in bar fights with police (off duty). Known to be a punk off the field out in the public. And on the field doesn’t have the decency to stand up for his opinions. Like the time he refused to stand for the national anthem and then had the lack of a sack to say that’s what he was really doing. Instead claiming he always stretches during the anthem. Which is absolute BS. 

 

It’s funny how people think sometimes. To each his own I guess. 

You think what you want to think. I'll wait for more of the facts to come in. Someone making accusations doesn't automatically make those accusations factual. Again, I'll wait for more facts to come in before making a conclusive judgment. 

[mrags]

12 minutes ago, JohnC said:

You think what you want to think. I'll wait for more of the facts to come in. Someone making accusations doesn't automatically make those accusations factual. Again, I'll wait for more facts to come in before making a conclusive judgment. 

What’s the difference between your thought process and mine? There is none whatsoever. From the seats that we sit in, there is absolutely zero difference. 

 

And just curious, like the OJ verdict, if he is proven guilty, but YOUR evidence proves that he’s innocent, does that make it so?