Hapless Bills Fan Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: I’m pretty sure that there are different severity concussions, but I’m not a medical professional. None of us are medical professionals, and even medical professionals apparently find it hard to predict the long-term impact of concussions of different severity - sometimes a guy has a seemingly mild concussion yet the next concussion "Kolb"s him out. My point is just I'm tired of hearing talk about one QB being "fragile" because of concussion history and surgically repaired shoulder, while another QB who had just as many or more concussions goes #1 in the draft and no one talks about it, and a third QB actually has a history of repeated shoulder injuries including a medical redshirt season and is regarded as big and sturdy. Then there's Lamar Jackson, who apparently never missed a college game but everyone is all "with his build he's gonna be injured immediately". Perception is not reality, no matter how hard people argue to make it so, that's all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Yo changed your mind because Allen was drafted by the Bills. It's what you do. If Rosen was a Bill, I have no doubt that you'd be singing his praises with excitement. This is true. My right as a fan. That is does not mean that I am not being objective.....they could both end up being good QBs......I am simply debating with ppl that are crying that we selected Allen over Rosen and that Allen will end up being the wrong pick. He may well end up NOT being the wrong pick for the reasons I have already stated. You frankly should stop crying that the QB you wanted didnt get picked (or dont I dont care) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: This is true. My right as a fan. That is does not mean that I am not being objective.....they could both end up being good QBs......I am simply debating with ppl that are crying that we selected Allen over Rosen and that Allen will end up being the wrong pick. He may well end up NOT being the wrong pick for the reasons I have already stated. You frankly should stop crying that the QB you wanted didnt get picked (or dont I dont care) Being objective about a prospect isn't crying. Allen has great potential as I have stated on multiple occasions, but he has a lot to prove as the Bills and he will acknowledge. There are no tears involved in stating that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Being objective about a prospect isn't crying. Allen has great potential as I have stated on multiple occasions, but he has a lot to prove as the Bills and he will acknowledge. There are no tears involved in stating that. Corner....you put out great posts (I read all of them) but the fact is you have already put out enough material upset that Allen was taken over Rosen. Entitled to your opinion....but College is over...these guys are ALL drafted based on their potential at the next level including Rosen. Rosen is more accurate.....but there are plenty of reasons why he could fail at the NFL level.....he does not come without his risks just like Josh Allen. If this was the case he would not have slid in this draft. They could very well both end up being good....I am a firm believer that there are going to be several good QBs coming out of this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Corner....you put out great posts (I read all of them) but the fact is you have already put out enough material upset that Allen was taken over Rosen. Entitled to your opinion....but College is over...these guys are ALL drafted based on their potential at the next level including Rosen. Rosen is more accurate.....but there are plenty of reasons why he could fail at the NFL level.....he does not come without his risks just like Josh Allen. If this was the case he would not have slid in this draft. They could very well both end up being good....I am a firm believer that there are going to be several good QBs coming out of this draft. Tenth in the draft isn't exactly a slide, but it's no surprise that some NFL teams would avoid a personality like Rosen's given how much coaches in general aren't comfortable with being challenged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: Tenth in the draft isn't exactly a slide, but it's no surprise that some NFL teams would avoid a personality like Rosen's given how much coaches in general aren't comfortable with being challenged. I dont think it is just personality......but probably is playing into it. Accuracy is pretty important....I am a little suprised that he did slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: None of us are medical professionals, and even medical professionals apparently find it hard to predict the long-term impact of concussions of different severity - sometimes a guy has a seemingly mild concussion yet the next concussion "Kolb"s him out. My point is just I'm tired of hearing talk about one QB being "fragile" because of concussion history and surgically repaired shoulder, while another QB who had just as many or more concussions goes #1 in the draft and no one talks about it, and a third QB actually has a history of repeated shoulder injuries including a medical redshirt season and is regarded as big and sturdy. Then there's Lamar Jackson, who apparently never missed a college game but everyone is all "with his build he's gonna be injured immediately". Perception is not reality, no matter how hard people argue to make it so, that's all. Mobility, pocket awareness, and a quick release are the keys for QBs to stay healthy. Otherwise, no matter how big and sturdy they are, they are apt to get hurt by bigger, sturdier players. Edited July 3, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 The guy's been a GM only one year and his team went to the playoffs. Yet we're discussing whether he should stay or go? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 7 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: The guy's been a GM only one year and his team went to the playoffs. Yet we're discussing whether he should stay or go? Amazing, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 28 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: The guy's been a GM only one year and his team went to the playoffs. Yet we're discussing whether he should stay or go? ..LOL...obviously you forgot this is the home of the "One And Done Gang".......bet some wanted him canned AFTER the Allen pick and BEFORE the Edmund pick..... ....the "Steelers Revolving Door"..... 1. Cobert-G since 2000......check.... 2. Three HC's in 48 years.....check...... 3. SIX Lombardis on the shelf.....check..... ..MY kind of "revolving door"............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 5 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Funny that the majority of those guys who didn’t fit the “team first” mentality went to the playoffs and one won a SB. This whole BS character culture is overblown. It’s also funny that we just signed a bunch of guys who got popped for PEDs but I guess they fit the culture. Majority? Care to explain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted July 3, 2018 Share Posted July 3, 2018 1 hour ago, The Wiz said: Majority? Care to explain. Darby and the Nigel Bradham, throw in an unrelated Jim Schwartz for added speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Only twice during the drought actually. I think it is fine to keep an open mind on how good McDermott and Beane are... but not liking the style of their wins is not a good argument for lumping them in with Jauron who never won more than 7 games in a season. Except it's not just McDermott's style of coaching -- playing not to lose -- that I find too much like Jauron ... I listed what I thought were similarities to Jauron in my post including McDermott's intolerance for players who don't fall into line with his ideas; his disregard for the offense, most especially the importance of the OL; and finally, McDermott's apparent belief that modestly talent players who buy into his "process" will triumph over more talented players who think for themselves. 8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Funny that the majority of those guys who didn’t fit the “team first” mentality went to the playoffs and one won a SB. This whole BS character culture is overblown. It’s also funny that we just signed a bunch of guys who got popped for PEDs but I guess they fit the culture. I don't think the "character culture" is overblown. I think what McDermott and Beane mean by "character" isn't what most fans consider "character". I think McDermott and Beane define "character" as players being willing to support "the company line" without question. 8 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Hmmmm 2 of these QBs were drafted before we could pick at 7. If you ask me the bills would have taken Sam Darnold if he was on the board...he wasnt. but Does that really matter? This was the best QB draft to come along in some time. if Josh Allen was in LAST year's draft he would have went even higher. and Our choices if we were going to select a QB now were Josh Allen or Josh Rosen (who I could care less about attitude he is in fact concussion prone and runs right into hits when in the pocket. I think Beane deserves credit for taking the swing.....it is even sweeter because we didnt have to give up future draft capital to do it. Why did the Bills have to take a QB in 2018 if they only had the choice of a supposedly "concussion prone" QB (your claim) or a QB that most draft pundits considered highly likely to bust? Why should Beane "deserve credit" for doing the same self-serving thing that Doug Whaley did in 2013, putting economic considerations (ticket sales) ahead of winning? Edited July 4, 2018 by SoTier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 5 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..LOL...obviously you forgot this is the home of the "One And Done Gang".......bet some wanted him canned AFTER the Allen pick and BEFORE the Edmund pick..... ....the "Steelers Revolving Door"..... 1. Cobert-G since 2000......check.... 2. Three HC's in 48 years.....check...... 3. SIX Lombardis on the shelf.....check..... ..MY kind of "revolving door"............. Who is advocating that Beane and/or McDermott be canned? The OP started a thread based on simplistic homerism advocating that Beane be forgiven for his mistakes no matter how serious, and posters have responded negatively to that naive premise. While you may be willing to unconditionally support Beane and McDermott just because they lucked out and made the playoffs, not all fans are willing to do that. I am one of those. I'm skeptical of the current regime because I see too many parallels to previous regimes, which suggests that the current team isn't likely to be any more successful than previous Bills teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 I don't know, I'm kind of happy with a guy that's done a lot of really nice things and created $76 mil in cap room for 2019. These guys are just starting to build what should be a dynamic roster in the next couple years. In the meantime they've completely changed the attitude of the team. The roster looked putrid to me before last season - especially after the late changes. Look how they played together. Can we please get off these guys cases? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, SoTier said: Who is advocating that Beane and/or McDermott be canned? The OP started a thread based on simplistic homerism advocating that Beane be forgiven for his mistakes no matter how serious, and posters have responded negatively to that naive premise. While you may be willing to unconditionally support Beane and McDermott just because they lucked out and made the playoffs, not all fans are willing to do that. I am one of those. I'm skeptical of the current regime because I see too many parallels to previous regimes, which suggests that the current team isn't likely to be any more successful than previous Bills teams. What parallels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 6 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ..LOL...obviously you forgot this is the home of the "One And Done Gang".......bet some wanted him canned AFTER the Allen pick and BEFORE the Edmund pick..... ....the "Steelers Revolving Door"..... 1. Cobert-G since 2000......check.... 2. Three HC's in 48 years.....check...... 3. SIX Lombardis on the shelf.....check..... ..MY kind of "revolving door"............. Chuck Noll's first 3 seasons in Pittsburg. 1-13 5-9 6-8 Noll had no previous HC experience and came from the Baltimore Colts as a Defensive Back coach. The win NOW mentality today would have thrown Noll in the "dustbin" of the NFL after those first 3 years. I had posted the below a while back talking about "consistency" in GM and HC's. In 2017 the Pittsburg Steelers had 25 drafted players on their team NOT counting the 2017 draftees. The Buffalo Bills had 10. FWIW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Chuck Noll's first 3 seasons in Pittsburg. 1-13 5-9 6-8 Noll had no previous HC experience and came from the Baltimore Colts as a Defensive Back coach. The win NOW mentality today would have thrown Noll in the "dustbin" of the NFL after those first 3 years. I had posted the below a while back talking about "consistency" in GM and HC's. In 2017 the Pittsburg Steelers had 25 drafted players on their team NOT counting the 2017 draftees. The Buffalo Bills had 10. FWIW Was it the 4th year when the horse ‘roids kicked in? ? I agree, if they whiffed on Allen, it doesn’t mean they aren’t headed in the right direction and it’s crazy to start all over again just because they missed on the one player that’s the hardest to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 8 hours ago, SoTier said: Except it's not just McDermott's style of coaching -- playing not to lose -- that I find too much like Jauron ... I listed what I thought were similarities to Jauron in my post including McDermott's intolerance for players who don't fall into line with his ideas; his disregard for the offense, most especially the importance of the OL; and finally, McDermott's apparent belief that modestly talent players who buy into his "process" will triumph over more talented players who think for themselves. Hmm. I think it is too early to draw some of those conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 8 hours ago, SoTier said: Who is advocating that Beane and/or McDermott be canned? The OP started a thread based on simplistic homerism advocating that Beane be forgiven for his mistakes no matter how serious, and posters have responded negatively to that naive premise. While you may be willing to unconditionally support Beane and McDermott just because they lucked out and made the playoffs, not all fans are willing to do that. I am one of those. I'm skeptical of the current regime because I see too many parallels to previous regimes, which suggests that the current team isn't likely to be any more successful than previous Bills teams. ...no where have I said that I UNCONDITIONALLY support McBeane and McD period...the duo just went through their FIRST draft together as well as putting their first year of OBD employment "in the books"......and we're ALREADY talking about how long a leash they collectively have?....SMH........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 21 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Actually McDermott was responsible for 3/4s of the secondary. Beane was only here for the addition of Gaines. I appreciate somebody actually pointing out that Beane wasn't here for the only positive pick ups of 2017. My problem is that people think Whaley had nothing to do with it, when his whole time here he found great pro personnel. His problem was drafting, but he could really dig out gems from other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 On 7/2/2018 at 9:04 PM, The_Dude said: He should be fired if Rosen is good and Allen is not. Sometimes - I wish fans could be fired. On 7/2/2018 at 11:18 PM, Dadonkadonk said: I loved the Allen pick. But if he is a bust Beane will be gone after the 2019 season. That is just the way it is. Actually, no it's not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, Trogdor said: I appreciate somebody actually pointing out that Beane wasn't here for the only positive pick ups of 2017. My problem is that people think Whaley had nothing to do with it, when his whole time here he found great pro personnel. His problem was drafting, but he could really dig out gems from other teams. ...certainly agree with your Whaley assessment.....McBeane gives me the impression of being an assertive GM but working in tandem with McD and company......certainly not a control freak like Tom Terrific Donohole......Whaley gave me the impression of being handed the shopping list and told to go "find the players" versus being the bonafide "in charge guy".....just my observation and not a criticism.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 22 hours ago, Augie said: So, instead of just taking another swing at a QB (which is known to be hit or miss for all teams), you want the owners to take another swing at a new GM, who will want a new coach, who will have a new scheme, which will need a bunch of new players to fit the scheme, which will eat up every draft pick for the next 2-3 years.....to see how THAT turns out? Not much of a plan in my mind. How do I know? Because THAT’S WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING! This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 22 hours ago, SoTier said: How do we know this? Because the Bills got lucky last year and made the playoffs? They've been 9-7 numerous times before. They failed to be competive against the Patriots, losing the first game 23-3 and the second one 37-16. In case you don't remember, that's 1 TD in 8 quarters. They also got stomped by the offensive powerhouse Saints and the defensive powerhouse Chargers. They caught Atlanta napping early in the season and Indy shocked by a damned blizzard late. They smacked QB-less Miami twice. Then they got an absolute gift from the Bengals in the closing seconds of the final game. I'll be impressed when I see fewer games that remind me of 2006-2009. ...of course we do NOT know this......but I sure as hell feel better about the prognosis with this gang in charge versus the "F Troop" running the show post Polian....and I'm sure Pegula will keenly evaluate performance/progress of McBeane & McD over the term of their contracts......you don't spend $1.4 billion on a club to offer free rides or meals......they'll be held accountable IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 19 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Sammy - highest scoring team in the nfl, signed by one of the best offensive coaches, in the playoffs. Our wrs sucked last year. Dareus - helped turn the Jags rub defense around and ours sucked and trade. Nearly went to SB. Darby - starter on Sb team ragland - starter on playoff team abd this doesn’t count Bradham, Woods, & Robey other key players on playoff teams. And yet - we made the playoffs without these guys. This team finally has a plan. Give it a shot. 19 hours ago, John from Riverside said: LOL and your expecting him to say what? We have bills players saying the same thing about Allen. Come on your better then this. No he's not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 11 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Chuck Noll's first 3 seasons in Pittsburg. 1-13 5-9 6-8 Noll had no previous HC experience and came from the Baltimore Colts as a Defensive Back coach. The win NOW mentality today would have thrown Noll in the "dustbin" of the NFL after those first 3 years. I had posted the below a while back talking about "consistency" in GM and HC's. In 2017 the Pittsburg Steelers had 25 drafted players on their team NOT counting the 2017 draftees. The Buffalo Bills had 10. FWIW ....good stuff bud.....another Steelers tidbit.......19 of the 22 STARTERS on their '09 Super Bowl club were acquired through the draft.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 If the Bills haven't solved their QB situation then the GM and coach`s days will be numbered also, that's just the way it works.The team would need to succeed despite the QB in order for either to stay, mediocrity and no QB has been the norm here for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 15 hours ago, FearLess Price said: Darby and the Nigel Bradham, throw in an unrelated Jim Schwartz for added speculation. Bradham was gone before the new front office was in place. As was Schwartz. Darby was traded but didn't play until week 11 after he broke his ankle in week 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 13 hours ago, Sky Diver said: What parallels? Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurpleBull Posted July 4, 2018 Author Share Posted July 4, 2018 22 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Funny that the majority of those guys who didn’t fit the “team first” mentality went to the playoffs and one won a SB. This whole BS character culture is overblown. It’s also funny that we just signed a bunch of guys who got popped for PEDs but I guess they fit the culture. John Kryk: (Beane) said that Colin Kaepernick would be a distraction John Kryk on his conversation with Bills GM Brandon Beane: "I asked Brandon Beane: 'What's a Buffalo Bills Player?' That's when he went into that they research every person that they draft and they don't want anybody who's gonna be a distraction, and that's when he said that Colin Kaepernick would be a distraction." I think distraction players and underperformers are the types of players they'd prefer to keep distance from. So I think they have a legitimate vision of the culture they're trying to put in place that they stand on. I don't think you necessarily have to be a saint, but if a player continually displays character detrimental to the team and what they're attempting to institute, I think that's when a player will find himself on the short end of the stick. Likely the one of the deciding factors in choosing Josh Allen over Josh Rosen as I stated at the beginning of the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, BurpleBull said: John Kryk: (Beane) said that Colin Kaepernick would be a distraction John Kryk on his conversation with Bills GM Brandon Beane: "I asked Brandon Beane: 'What's a Buffalo Bills Player?' That's when he went into that they research every person that they draft and they don't want anybody who's gonna be a distraction, and that's when he said that Colin Kaepernick would be a distraction." I think distraction players and underperformers are the types of players they'd prefer to keep distance from. So I think they have a legitimate vision of the culture they're trying to put in place that they stand on. I don't think you necessarily have to be a saint, but if a player continually displays character detrimental to the team and what they're attempting to institute, I think that's when a player will find himself on the short end of the stick. Likely the one of the deciding factors in choosing Josh Allen over Josh Rosen as I stated at the beginning of the thread. Always smart to take lesser talent. Josh Allen wasn’t good enough for All MWC but he seems like a swell guy. and do PED suspensions not count for character? ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 21 hours ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: The guy's been a GM only one year and his team went to the playoffs. Yet we're discussing whether he should stay or go? Exactly. No GM bats 1.000 with their draft picks. No GM bats 0.000. One pick doesn't define the GM - rather it's their entire body of work. Beane's only been here a year and his body of work is just too small to evaluate. I'm really hoping Allen works out but if he doesn't that doesn't mean Beane is a bad GM. How he handles that failure, though (assuming Allen doesn't develop into a good starter) would tell us a lot about Beane. Beane joined a team that hasn't had a franchise QB since Kelly retired. He took a year assessing Tyrod - mostly because he didn't have much of a choice - and decided he couldn't build a championship offense around TT. So he signed a veteran backup with some promise and drafted a kid with a lot of upside. In other words, he's doing the kind of things a good GM ought to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Dude Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 3 hours ago, inaugural balls said: Sometimes - I wish fans could be fired. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 41 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Always smart to take lesser talent. Josh Allen wasn’t good enough for All MWC but he seems like a swell guy. and do PED suspensions not count for character? ? Are you suggesting the Bills future would be brighter with CK on the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 hour ago, inaugural balls said: Are you suggesting the Bills future would be brighter with CK on the team? ....would you seriously expect anything LESS?..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 Thing is... I believe Beane missed on a whole lot more than Allen... I think there's a chance he missed on as many as three players in the '18 draft. If that's the case, then he should be fired... A GM simply needs to have better instincts than that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 1 minute ago, #34fan said: Thing is... I believe Beane missed on a whole lot more than Allen... I think there's a chance he missed on as many as three players in the '18 draft. If that's the case, then he should be fired... A GM simply needs to have better instincts than that. ...the excessive heat wave is not healthy for one's thought process....hydrate frequently for safety...SMH............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 On 7/2/2018 at 4:27 PM, BurpleBull said: Which leads me to disagree with this notion, that Brandon Beane would be run out of town, should Josh Allen fail to materialize into what he, Sean McDermott, and Brian Daboll envision him becoming. I think the only reason to run off GM Beane should be losing too much. If Allen turns into a Josh Harrington type bust, it we still win he should stay. If we start a new drought and get to to say year 3, pack your trash wether Allen is bad or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted July 4, 2018 Share Posted July 4, 2018 3 hours ago, inaugural balls said: Are you suggesting the Bills future would be brighter with CK on the team? I was talking about Rosen. But do I think CK is better than AJ and Peterman? Without a doubt. And while I hope I’m wrong, odds are Josh Allen is almost going to win a SB either. 4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Exactly. No GM bats 1.000 with their draft picks. No GM bats 0.000. One pick doesn't define the GM - rather it's their entire body of work. Beane's only been here a year and his body of work is just too small to evaluate. I'm really hoping Allen works out but if he doesn't that doesn't mean Beane is a bad GM. How he handles that failure, though (assuming Allen doesn't develop into a good starter) would tell us a lot about Beane. Beane joined a team that hasn't had a franchise QB since Kelly retired. He took a year assessing Tyrod - mostly because he didn't have much of a choice - and decided he couldn't build a championship offense around TT. So he signed a veteran backup with some promise and drafted a kid with a lot of upside. In other words, he's doing the kind of things a good GM ought to do. No one rational is saying he should be fired right now. But the credit they are getting is overblown. They inherited a team that went 9-7, 8-8, and 7-9 and they act like they were 1-15. Our biggest weaknesses last year we’re at positions they traded. Trust me, and it’s pretty much this simple, if they hit on Allen, I will build a statue for them because they are geniuses. But man, there is a lot of evidence that it is an extremely risky pick, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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