bobobonators Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 ESPN Bills reporter Mike Rodak believes 2016 first-round DE Shaq Lawson is "competing for a rotational role, if not for his 53-man roster spot entirely" this summer. Rodak thinks the team could try and trade Lawson ahead of Week 1, especially once free agent pickup Trent Murphy (knee) is back to 100 percent opposite Jerry Hughes. Buffalo also has Eddie Yarbrough, Terrence Fede, and Owa Odighizuwa as rotational pieces. Lawson, the No. 19 overall pick by ex-coach Rex Ryan, has just six sacks across 21 career appearances. -espn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Total rebuild. McB know exactly what kinds of players they want, and they didn't find many of them on the roster that Doug and Rex built. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I don't think we've seen the last of Shaq just yet. By all accounts he appears to have "gotten the message" so I'm anxious to see how he performs in camp and preseason. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, bobobonators said: ESPN Bills reporter Mike Rodak believes 2016 first-round DE Shaq Lawson is "competing for a rotational role, if not for his 53-man roster spot entirely" this summer. Rodak thinks the team could try and trade Lawson ahead of Week 1, especially once free agent pickup Trent Murphy (knee) is back to 100 percent opposite Jerry Hughes. Buffalo also has Eddie Yarbrough, Terrence Fede, and Owa Odighizuwa as rotational pieces. Lawson, the No. 19 overall pick by ex-coach Rex Ryan, has just six sacks across 21 career appearances. -espn Given Beane's recent comments in his Fairburn interview, this is no great leap by Rodak. Lawson is clearly on notice that his effort, commitment, and performance have not been good enough. I would hate to see them give up on Lawson too quickly, but he needs to pick it up and keep it picked up if we wants to stick. Edited June 20, 2018 by MDFan misspelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
costrovs Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 The 2019 draft is loaded with DT and DE prospects. Plus his rookie contract isnt up until 2020, I'm sure they'll keep him around this year and draft a DE in round 1 or 2 to replace him before they let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) No surprise to me. Basically a one hit wonder in college on an awesome Clemson team. Edited June 20, 2018 by I am the egg man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, eball said: I don't think we've seen the last of Shaq just yet. By all accounts he appears to have "gotten the message" so I'm anxious to see how he performs in camp and preseason. Latest Fairburn Athletic article said as much: https://theathletic.com/399697/2018/06/20/buffalo-bills-shaq-lawson-trade-block-2018-nfl-season/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, MDFan said: Given Beane's recent comments in his Fairburn interview, this is no great leap by Rodak. Lawson is clearly on notice that his effort, commitment, and performance have not been good enough. I would hate to see them give up on Lawson too quickly, but he needs to pick it up and keep it picked up if we wants to stick. I always say you're better off to keep talent too long than to let it go too soon. However, McB aren't about talent, at least not first. As you note, they're about effort and commitment first, and if you don't show it and show it quickly, they don't waste time on you. Every single holdover from the last regime should have gotten that message when first Watkins and then Dareus left town. The message - we don't care how talented you are, we care about your effort and your commitment to what we're doing. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted June 20, 2018 Author Share Posted June 20, 2018 I thought Lawson was at least pretty solid vs the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, eball said: I don't think we've seen the last of Shaq just yet. By all accounts he appears to have "gotten the message" so I'm anxious to see how he performs in camp and preseason. Agreed. In fact, current comments from Beane have suggested that Beane and McD have been satisfied with how SL has responded to their “demands” related to dropping some weight and physical conditioning in general. That said, I could see them moving him for the right compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Not surprised at all. Earn the right to compete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, bobobonators said: I thought Lawson was at least pretty solid vs the run. I thought so, too, but it isn't about that. I have to keep reminding myself. As I wrote in my other post, it's about effort and commitment. I think you know all you need to know when you read the the article about Phillips on BuffaloBills.com. It's linked in another thread. Or read about Trent Murphy. Or look at the article quoting McCoy about Allen and how studious he is. McB have made it totally clear in what they've said, and it's backed up completely when you look at the players they've added to the team. If you aren't driven, maniacally driven to get better every day, they just aren't interested in you. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Wrecks Ryan—the gift that keeps on giving. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, bobobonators said: I thought Lawson was at least pretty solid vs the run. That and a dollar will get a DE a cup of coffee in today's NFL. If you can't effectively rush the passer from the DE position, you are basically worthless - a low-end rotational guy who bounces from team to team over 6-7 year career. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 When's the last time we had a GM who came right out and said this player isn't performing as well as we expect and he needs to do better? It's so refreshing. 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: That and a dollar will get a DE a cup of coffee in today's NFL. If you can't effectively rush the passer from the DE position, you are basically worthless - a low-end rotational guy who bounces from team to team over 6-7 year career. Yeah I agree with this. I defended Lawson last year because he was good against the run but that's not what you want from a first round DE that's in a 4-3. Especially this defense where in a zone, it's critical to get to the QB. I really hope the lost weight adds a little more quickness for Lawson. If not, he's very expendable in this defense.....basically another Terrence Fede. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, HappyDays said: When's the last time we had a GM who came right out and said this player isn't performing as well as we expect and he needs to do better? It's so refreshing. Seriously it is. Not that I'm a huge fan of guys getting called out in the media that's kind of a locker room thing, but if asked, yeah don't deny it tell it like it is. This is the expectation, and meet it or it's been nice working with you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: No surprise to me. Basically a one hit wonder in college on an awesome Clemson team. Who backed into his sacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 12 minutes ago, costrovs said: Plus his rookie contract isnt up until 2020 Bingo. He's cheap and if the light bulb goes on at SJF, effective rotational depth at an important position. It will be up to him to show the work ethic McD demands over the next two months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, Royale with Cheese said: Yeah I agree with this. I defended Lawson last year because he was good against the run but that's not what you want from a first round DE that's in a 4-3. Especially this defense where in a zone, it's critical to get to the QB. I really hope the lost weight adds a little more quickness for Lawson. If not, he's very expendable in this defense.....basically another Terrence Fede. Bills drafted a DE who played with the team for a long time. He was a real lunch pail guy who wasn’t very good but was always defended by the masses because he was “good against the run.” He just wasn’t a very good player. We don’t need more of those players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, eball said: I don't think we've seen the last of Shaq just yet. By all accounts he appears to have "gotten the message" so I'm anxious to see how he performs in camp and preseason. I agree. Why not root for the best? It seems he has an uphill climb, ,but if makes it he will be better for the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, Jay_Fixit said: Bills drafted a DE who played with the team for a long time. He was a real lunch pail guy who wasn’t very good but was always defended by the masses because he was “good against the run.” He just wasn’t a very good player. We don’t need more of those players. I thought you liked Chris Kelsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: Bills drafted a DE who played with the team for a long time. He was a real lunch pail guy who wasn’t very good but was always defended by the masses because he was “good against the run.” He just wasn’t a very good player. We don’t need more of those players. I like good players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 18 minutes ago, costrovs said: The 2019 draft is loaded with DT and DE prospects. Plus his rookie contract isnt up until 2020, I'm sure they'll keep him around this year and draft a DE in round 1 or 2 to replace him before they let him go. 2020 if they pick up the 5th year option. He needs a "big" year to warrant that, and the increase in salary that comes with it. If he doesn't look better this year, but does look better in 2019, his FA value will not be as great. He (and his agent) knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobot Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 If he's the player Buffalo wants him to be, then he's go the opportunity to be that player. If he fails to meet that expectation and continues to be mediocre, then see ya, and no one in Buffalo will feel bad about moving on from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 He had as many sacks as Hughes last year while playing less games. I’d say he’s arguably our pass rusher at a much cheaper price than Hughes. I’d say they should trade Hughes ??♂️ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) On a related note, does anybody follow him on Instagram? Half of his pictures seem to be him modelling clothes while playing on his cell phone. Weird. Edited June 20, 2018 by MiltonWaddams 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, HappyDays said: When's the last time we had a GM who came right out and said this player isn't performing as well as we expect and he needs to do better? It's so refreshing. What are you talking about? It's better to keep the Diva's, who have off-the-field issues, who underperformed their contracts/draft status, who weren't the best of teammates, who weren't the sharpest tools in the shed, who never endeared themselves to the fanbase because you know. They have Potential!!! Potential is what matters, not results!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: He had as many sacks as Hughes last year while playing less games. I’d say he’s arguably our pass rusher at a much cheaper price than Hughes. I’d say they should trade Hughes ??♂️ Poor take. The effectiveness of a DE as a pass rusher isn't only measured in sacks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: He had as many sacks as Hughes last year while playing less games. I’d say he’s arguably our pass rusher at a much cheaper price than Hughes. I’d say they should trade Hughes ??♂️ Lawson very rarely applies pressure. His sacks were clean up sacks. Hughes was the only one on our line last year that consistently pressured the QB. Hughes was something like in the top 15-20 in applying pressure to the QB. Lawson is not arguably our best pass rusher. If he was, Beane wouldn't have made the comments he needs to step up. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 He’s definitely not on the bubble but could be traded. Those are 2 different things. I’ve suggested flipping Shaq for Corey Coleman. A couple of former 1st rounders that didn’t live up to their billing that need a fresh start. It appears that Lawson is a new man this offseason so that may change my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Poor take. The effectiveness of a DE as a pass rusher isn't only measured in sacks. Yes. Hughes had a lot of pressures last year, that resulted in hurried throws. He's a proven player, Lawson is not. No way I trade Jerry before Shaw right now, even given his age and salary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Yet another Whaley waste.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2003Contenders Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 I am not ready to write off Lawson completely, but I think he is what he is. That would be a player with upside to be solid in run support and maintain the edge, which he did well at times last season. Guys like that serve a purpose and belong in a rotation where they usually rack up no more than 6-8 sacks per year. Of course, such players are not necessarily in short supply. What the team REALLY needs is a guy who can get consistent pressure on the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Poor take. The effectiveness of a DE as a pass rusher isn't only measured in sacks. You’re right it’s not only measured in sacks, but sacks are a pretty big one. I don’t care how many pressures a guy has, if your best pass rusher is only getting 4 sacks a year then they’re the ones that needs to step it up. Nobody talks about who has the most QB pressures in a season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, Azucho98 said: Yet another Whaley waste.... I wouldn't go that far. Not yet, at least. And I believe the pick was pushed hard by Rex. Remember the "Sack Lawson" comment, and of course, the Clemson helmet? Not trying to make excuses for the guy here (I think), but he's had to learn 2 very different defenses in his first 2 years in the NFL, and he missed valuable PT as a rookie due to injury. I think he fully understands what he needs to do, and Beane made that very clear. And so far, it seems that he got the message loud and clear. Let it play out before calling him a "waste". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Trent Murphy was wearing the non contact jersey for minicamp, is he expected to be a full go next month? I don’t see them cutting Lawson unless he falls further down the rotation, I could see them trading him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Just now, Seanbillsfan2206 said: You’re right it’s not only measured in sacks, but sacks are a pretty big one. I don’t care how many pressures a guy has, if your best pass rusher is only getting 4 sacks a year then they’re the ones that needs to step it up. Nobody talks about who has the most QB pressures in a season.... Maybe fans some fans such as yourself don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soda Popinski Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, MiltonWaddams said: On a related note, does anybody follow him on Instagram? Half of his pictures seem to be him modelling clothes while playing on his cell phone. Weird. I do and yea, he seems preoccupied with fashion and giving trendy cliches out about hard work and the best is yet to come. But not a ton of pics of him putting in said work. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: What the team REALLY needs is a guy who can get consistent pressure on the QB. They already have one, possibly two. Hopefully Lawson steps up and becomes a third. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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