Prediction: Nathan Peterman Bills Starting QB Wk. 1 vs. Ravens

[Cheektowaga Chad]

I think best case is you keep Peterman on the practice squad.

 

However you roster him under a couple circumstances. 

1. His camp and preseason are better than his lasts years camp/preseason

2. Allen or McCarran look bad in camp

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yes that's how the NFL does it now, and they shouldn't. I literally don't care about expectations. Right now I'd give Zay Jones a shorter leash than I'd give Matt Milano. Do you disagree with that? With a new QB I'll always keep the leash long. Plenty of QBs have shown improvement after year one, and again after year 2. Some people on this board have already written Peterman off. I happen to think his particular flaws - arm strength and panicking under pressure - are correctable with experience. We have the most uncertain QB situation in the NFL so I would absolutely keep 3 QBs until one of them has proven themselves.

I absolutely wouldn’t disagree because they have a year to stand on. By the same token, I’d give Peterman a much shorter leash than I did a year ago. He was a lock to make the team in 2017. He is fighting for a roster spot in 2018. If he played well in 2017 he’d be a lock in 2018.

 

Peterman’s flaws are beyond that. He isn’t particularly accurate. He is awful under pressure (that’s why they called him “Nervous Nate” in college) and makes poor decisions. You couple poor decisions with a lack of arm strength and you get turnovers. 

[Chicken Boo]

By way of injury, is the only chance this happens.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Peterman’s flaws are beyond that. He isn’t particularly accurate. He is awful under pressure (that’s why they called him “Nervous Nate” in college) and makes poor decisions. You couple poor decisions with a lack of arm strength and you get turnovers. 

 

I don't agree about his accuracy at all. I think he has very good ball placement. That was his main strength coming out of college, and I don't think that's something you can teach. Obviously he needs to work on how he reacts when the defense gets pressure. But if we as a fanbase have collectively decided that that's not something you can improve on, we might as well start looking at 2019 QBs because Allen has the same problem. So no I'm not going to give up on Peterman's chances because of one horrible game. If Allen starts this year I fully expect that he will have a couple really bad games and I would hope we will be patient enough to let him develop. I extend Peterman the same courtesy regardless of his draft round.

[Kirby Jackson]

26 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I don't agree about his accuracy at all. I think he has very good ball placement. That was his main strength coming out of college, and I don't think that's something you can teach. Obviously he needs to work on how he reacts when the defense gets pressure. But if we as a fanbase have collectively decided that that's not something you can improve on, we might as well start looking at 2019 QBs because Allen has the same problem. So no I'm not going to give up on Peterman's chances because of one horrible game. If Allen starts this year I fully expect that he will have a couple really bad games and I would hope we will be patient enough to let him develop. I extend Peterman the same courtesy regardless of his draft round.

That’s what people thought was his strength coming out. It wasn’t the case. @GunnerBill talked extensively about it in his scouting report. Peterman’s accuracy was WAY overstated. He has never been an accurate thrower. His main strengths were his ability to throw in rhythm and his “pro readiness.” Peterman was thought of as a guy that would need less time to adapt. He was advanced mentally. There is a lot of irony to that being his “strength.” 

Edited May 22, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Bing Bong]

15 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Are you talking Alex Smith as a #1 draft pick who made the "Top 5 QB Busts of All Time" list after his first 3 or 4 seasons?

Or Alex Smith the Redskins just traded and paid the Big Bucks for?

Lol good Alex Smith, which is tyrod level IMO. I think we make the playoffs with that QB play but that is peterman's absolute (unlikely) peak IMO

Edited May 22, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[PBLESS]

18 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I just don’t get it. How could a reasonable person look at Nate Peterman and think, “this guy has got it?” The rest of the country laughed at us when we started him. It was worse than they expected. Everyone with a brain knew it would fail but Bills fans thought it was a good idea and everyone else was dumb. 99 times out of 100 the objective outsiders are right and the emotionally charged super fans aren’t. Peterman should be fighting for a roster spot not a starting job. 

Not the first time someone suggested I was brainless. IMO the Bills HAD to find out if they already had their future QB on the roster. It didn't work out as they hoped for sure, but I think we learned very little about NP that game and I still believe he can be an NFL QB, but I also believe that of A.J. and Josh.  If I had ever failed a math test in my first year of high school------------I would hope the teacher, my classmates and my parents would not have written me off as hopeless failure with no future.

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, PBLESS said:

Not the first time someone suggested I was brainless. IMO the Bills HAD to find out if they already had their future QB on the roster. It didn't work out as they hoped for sure, but I think we learned very little about NP that game and I still believe he can be an NFL QB, but I also believe that of A.J. and Josh.  If I had ever failed a math test in my first year of high school------------I would hope the teacher, my classmates and my parents would not have written me off as hopeless failure with no future.

That depends were you a “c” student or an “a” student coming into high school? When “c” students don’t do well it is less surprising than when “a” students don’t do well. The “a” student is more likely to improve the next time out than the “c” student. So while I agree that there is no reason to give up on the guy today I don’t see any reason to believe that he will become something that he has never been.

 

It’s Ockham’s Razor in a lot of ways. We can make a zillion assumptions as to why it went wrong or why it will change. The much more likely answer is, it won’t. His strengths will be his strengths and his weaknesses will be his weaknesses. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Lol good Alex Smith, which is tyrod level IMO. I think we make the playoffs with that QB play but that is peterman's absolute (unlikely) peak IMO

 

That's an interesting assessment, actually.    Is good Alex Smith >> Tyrod?  Given a top-10 D, Alex Smith has taken the Chiefs to playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years - but only once to a playoff win, and never past the Divisional round.  The Redskins are banking on him being just as good as Kirk Cousins with a bit more mileage and a lot cheaper.  And to my eyes, he is a significantly better passer than Tyrod is right now. 

 

On paper Alex Smith >>> Tyrod Taylor right now, but Tyrod Taylor >> Alex Smith his first 3-4 years as a starter in this league IMHO.   And they might just be closer than the Redskins would like to believe.

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

you are right, people are not talking about Peterman.........because he is third string and will that status wont change unless injuries happen.

[Wily Dog]

Peterman was the unfortunate person who got caught up in the Tyrod Fiasco. No matter who it was they would have been castigated by the Tyrod followers. Un fortunately ( I know , I know it is your favorite worn out joke CB 26) Peterman threw the interceptions with some help by his teammates. I really do not understand the vitriol against Peterman with many of you. Let's face it Tyrods never coming back and Peterman didn't have anything to do with his demise in the eyes of the Bills. Cut the kid some slack and we will see what he can do. GO BILLS

[whatdrought]

Honestly wouldn't be completely surprised by this if the staff wants to redshirt Allen. I think Peterman has about the same level of natural skill as McA and could show something. It would be pretty hard to swallow the media BS if we do announce him the starter though. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Agree with this, McCarron seems to be a good addition. He’s a smart guy and a capable backup. He has a chance to be the long-term number 2 here. 

Some how I have a feeling AJ wants to be a starter and will remain a happy camper for 2 seasons.  After that I see him seeking out FA again.  

[Wily Dog]

9 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Honestly wouldn't be completely surprised by this if the staff wants to redshirt Allen. I think Peterman has about the same level of natural skill as McA and could show something. It would be pretty hard to swallow the media BS if we do announce him the starter though. 

McD will make the decision and what it is ,people will just have to deal with it. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

21 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

That would mean there was an improvement in head coach pulling him earlier rather than waiting until halftime.

 

I mean... Logically you know the games pretty much over at that point.  I'd have left him in til the half as well.  

[Kirby Jackson]

21 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Some how I have a feeling AJ wants to be a starter and will remain a happy camper for 2 seasons.  After that I see him seeking out FA again.  

Maybe so, at that point though he may be Chase Daniel. He thought that he’d get a chance a few times and never did. He cleaned up financially though. He bounced around signing deal after deal. He has started 2 games in his career and made $25M.

[Fadingpain]

All kidding aside, Peterman being the starter is not ridiculous at all if:

 

1) Allen is just not ready and needs to sit for a while

2) McCarron looks freaking horrible in camp and pre-season, which is a distinct possibility

3) Peterman shows improvement in all aspects  of his game, which is also a distinct possibility

 

The wildcard in this is that Peterman is McBeane's guy and they will give him every chance to succeed, maybe even including some he doesn't totally deserve.

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

20 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

All kidding aside, Peterman being the starter is not ridiculous at all if:

 

1) Allen is just not ready and needs to sit for a while

2) McCarron looks freaking horrible in camp and pre-season, which is a distinct possibility

3) Peterman shows improvement in all aspects  of his game, which is also a distinct possibility

 

The wildcard in this is that Peterman is McBeane's guy and they will give him every chance to succeed, maybe even including some he doesn't totally deserve.

 

 

 

....just a hunch but I think McCarron proves out to be the "steady Eddie game manager" who can lead this offense while Allen grooms.....Allen needs work and asinine to rush him....I think the Peterman kid has shown promise as a 5th (screw the 5 pick aberration as one's only shallow defense) and will continue to improve, probably ending up on the PS......some early positive signs are grasping the mental aspect ala speed and complexity of the game at this level.....

[BurpleBull]

22 hours ago, Steptide said:

I've stated here many times that I'm a Peterman fan. While I dont know if he's ready to be the starter, I do think he's gonna impress people this year. He's the only qb we have that has any experience with our current offense. McCarron might be good, he also might be terrible. As crazy as it sounds, Peterman is the most proven qb we have on our roster currently. Yes, 5 interceptions I know, but let's let by gones be by gones. Either way, I just want the best qb starting 

 

Peterman seemed to get the ball to Kelvin Benjamin a bit when he did play, he's had time to build somewhat of a rapport with Zay Jones during the Senior Bowl and I'm sure during practices last season and he also had really good chemistry with Nick O'Leary who I think is the Bills best receiving TE. 

 

 

 

I can see the offense rallying around a much improved Peterman, as it remembers his personal struggles and the struggles of the passing game as a whole under Dennison and Taylor.

 

I think Peterman could move ahead of McCarron, while Josh Allen waits in the wings continuing to develop. 

[Bing Bong]

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That's an interesting assessment, actually.    Is good Alex Smith >> Tyrod?  Given a top-10 D, Alex Smith has taken the Chiefs to playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years - but only once to a playoff win, and never past the Divisional round.  The Redskins are banking on him being just as good as Kirk Cousins with a bit more mileage and a lot cheaper.  And to my eyes, he is a significantly better passer than Tyrod is right now. 

 

On paper Alex Smith >>> Tyrod Taylor right now, but Tyrod Taylor >> Alex Smith his first 3-4 years as a starter in this league IMHO.   And they might just be closer than the Redskins would like to believe.

 

 

Yeah bad contract for Redskins. And don't underestimate Andy Reid's power either

4 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Some how I have a feeling AJ wants to be a starter and will remain a happy camper for 2 seasons.  After that I see him seeking out FA again.  

Cover1 didn't seem too high on AJ in the podcast about him. Said he was a good backup but will be bottom tier starter.

[Bills Freak]

We all can conjure up our prognostications but to me the best case is AJ battles it out w/ Nate but wins & looks good enough to carry the load for a while. This would be great as we could then get some compensation for him as Peterman shows enough to be backup next year. I actually like Peterman but I don't believe he's in Allen's league. No telling what AJ has to offer. IMO if you truly study Allen's game tape, The Man can play. No way he doesn't blow away his competition by next year at the latest. FUN TO WATCH - Cant wait!!!

[bobobonators]

On 5/21/2018 at 5:16 PM, BurpleBull said:

Nathan Peterman will win the starting QB position barring injury. He'll be much improved from last season.

 

Excited about Josh Allen as the starting QB, but Peterman is the guy people aren't talking about right now who will have everyone talking by the end of training camp.

 

He's worked on his mechanics, is said to have added velocity to his throws, has a lot to prove and is no stranger to struggling early in his career and picking himself up.

 

A little talked about fact concerning Peterman is that he's right up there with Allen as Bills QB's who've scored high on the Wonderlic test for those who equate the test to mental sharpness.

 

I still hold to the belief that Peterman was at the very least a third round prospect in his draft class.

 

Peterman will be the guy.

 

So this is how I have it panning out... 

 

1. Peterman

 

2. McCarron

 

3. Allen

 

With Allen at three for his protection as he starts out his young career.

 

I see you joined this board on April 27, 2017.

 

Welcome to the board, Nate. 

[Ol Dirty B]

On 5/21/2018 at 6:19 PM, CSBill said:

Someone check what Burple is smoking.

 

I think it's more likely he's on some blue and yellow burple pills. 

6 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

All kidding aside, Peterman being the starter is not ridiculous at all if:

 

1) Allen is just not ready and needs to sit for a while

2) McCarron looks freaking horrible in camp and pre-season, which is a distinct possibility

3) Peterman shows improvement in all aspects  of his game, which is also a distinct possibility

 

The wildcard in this is that Peterman is McBeane's guy and they will give him every chance to succeed, maybe even including some he doesn't totally deserve.

 

 

 

You left out 4,5, and 6. This post is extremely convenient and omits that Peterman could also range from anywhere to average to below average to awful... Which are also realistic possibilities, more realistic ones in my opinion. Also, I don't think you know what distinct means. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by Ol Dirty B

[Orlando Tim]

I do not understand why everyone is so sure this will not happen. If the coaches do not believe in our Oline they will not throw Allen out there to be killed as was David Carr. In that case I suspect Peterman might beat out McCarron since Peterman has shown the willingness to throw a ball quickly when necessary. Yes I realize what happened in LA.

[Lfod]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I do not understand why everyone is so sure this will not happen. If the coaches do not believe in our Oline they will not throw Allen out there to be killed as was David Carr. In that case I suspect Peterman might beat out McCarron since Peterman has shown the willingness to throw a ball quickly when necessary. Yes I realize what happened in LA.

That 5 interception game is Petermans reputation. It is what was visible to the world. It is mostly the only thing people have to formulate an opinion on. 

 

Even in the snow game he still ran head first into trouble and it was lights out for him. Nap time with no milk or cookies first. I respect Peterman for that. In the end he was trying to win. It cost him a lot. He attacked when the other guy played timid. I like Peterman more then Tyrod all day long. I'd rather see a guy try and fail then a guy trying to protect his stats for the future and still fail.....

 

At this point the only person that can change the perception of him is Nathan Peterman. Not many people will throw in a vote of confidence. I don't know what he has done behind the scenes to improve. If he attacked his problems the way he ran that ball head first into the snow that day he might have gained some ground. 

 

I just don't think it's a good time to put in effort to change the preception on him. If you believe in Peterman then be prepared to hear about the 5 interceptions because until he does different it's a permanent tattoo on him. 

 

So even though I support Peterman I absolutely understand why everyone is so sure it won't happen. A later round pick that was already a long shot to begin with bombs in his first performance in the not for long league. Peterman becoming good would only benefit the bottom line. I don't think there is a person in this discussion that wouldn't come around if Peterman is winning games. It's about proving one's self and he hasn't done that yet publicly. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by Lfod

[ColoradoBills]

23 minutes ago, Lfod said:

That 5 interception game is Petermans reputation. It is what was visible to the world. It is mostly the only thing people have to formulate an opinion on. 

 

Even in the snow game he still ran head first into trouble and it was lights out for him. Nap time with no milk or cookies first. I respect Peterman for that. In the end he was trying to win. It cost him a lot. He attacked when the other guy played timid. I like Peterman more then Tyrod all day long. I'd rather see a guy try and fail then a guy trying to protect his stats for the future and still fail.....

 

At this point the only person that can change the perception of him is Nathan Peterman. Not many people will throw in a vote of confidence. I don't know what he has done behind the scenes to improve. If he attacked his problems the way he ran that ball head first into the snow that day he might have gained some ground. 

 

I just don't think it's a good time to put in effort to change the preception on him. If you believe in Peterman then be prepared to hear about the 5 interceptions because until he does different it's a permanent tattoo on him. 

 

So even though I support Peterman I absolutely understand why everyone is so sure it won't happen. A later round pick that was already a long shot to begin with bombs in his first performance in the not for long league. Peterman becoming good would only benefit the bottom line. I don't think there is a person in this discussion that wouldn't come around if Peterman is winning games. It's about proving one's self and he hasn't done that yet publicly. 

 

Great summary of Nate Peterman and where he stands.

This should end the thread.....................but it probably won't!

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Nope

 

 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Lfod said:

That 5 interception game is Petermans reputation. It is what was visible to the world. It is mostly the only thing people have to formulate an opinion on. 

 

Even in the snow game he still ran head first into trouble and it was lights out for him. Nap time with no milk or cookies first. I respect Peterman for that. In the end he was trying to win. It cost him a lot. He attacked when the other guy played timid. I like Peterman more then Tyrod all day long. I'd rather see a guy try and fail then a guy trying to protect his stats for the future and still fail.....

 

At this point the only person that can change the perception of him is Nathan Peterman. Not many people will throw in a vote of confidence. I don't know what he has done behind the scenes to improve. If he attacked his problems the way he ran that ball head first into the snow that day he might have gained some ground. 

 

I just don't think it's a good time to put in effort to change the preception on him. If you believe in Peterman then be prepared to hear about the 5 interceptions because until he does different it's a permanent tattoo on him. 

 

So even though I support Peterman I absolutely understand why everyone is so sure it won't happen. A later round pick that was already a long shot to begin with bombs in his first performance in the not for long league. Peterman becoming good would only benefit the bottom line. I don't think there is a person in this discussion that wouldn't come around if Peterman is winning games. It's about proving one's self and he hasn't done that yet publicly. 

That's somewhat of a cheap shot at Taylor and I'm somebody who is happy he left this offseason.  Preferring a gun slinger to a more careful quarterback is fine, but I don't think stats were on Taylor's mind while on the field.  Taylor's flaws were well documented, but I have deep respect for his work ethic and his leaderships skills. Taylor had no problem lobbing those 50/50 balls up to Watkins (when he was healthy).  I think the reason Taylor didn't try and force the ball to make plays is his belief in his own escapability to either run for the first down or scramble around the pocket to eventually find an open receiver.  He calculated that the former had a better chance of success.

[GunnerBill]

The chances of Nathan Peterman being a successful or even passable NFL Quarterback have precisely zero to do with Tyrod Taylor.  I can't understand why he keeps being referred to. 

[Kirby Jackson]

59 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

The chances of Nathan Peterman being a successful or even passable NFL Quarterback have precisely zero to do with Tyrod Taylor.  I can't understand why he keeps being referred to. 

I think that the answer is because “he’s not Tyrod.” Some people wanted anyone but Tyrod last year and were happy to see Peterman. At the same time they now protect him because he’s the guy they wanted. No one likes to be wrong about a guy. They are willing to give him every opportunity to prove them right.

 

If Peterman didn’t fall on his face last year I don’t think that we’d see anyone lobbying for or against him. He’d just be a camp arm. At this point though everyone has strong feelings because there is a resume. One side can say “I think this because...” while the other side can say “yeah but....” If Peterman didn’t play at all last year the talk about him would be so much less. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think the opposite. If Peterman didn't look completely incompetent out there a lot more fans would be screaming for him to win the job..... and I'd think you'd see a lot more press from the team propping Peterman up. 

I don’t think that’s the case because of Allen. No one would be more excited about a 5th round pick with limited physical skills over a guy that you traded up into the top 10 for. There would be a McCarron camp (aka: let the kid develop) and an Allen camp (aka: take off the training wheels).

 

If you notice anyone that advocates for Peterman points to the positives from last year. That’s the basis for the support. If he hadn’t done ANYTHING than the people in the camp of “we don’t know what he will be if we haven’t seen him” would be pushing for Allen. That same thing applies to him but with WAY greater physical tools. 

[JohnC]

15 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Maybe so, at that point though he may be Chase Daniel. He thought that he’d get a chance a few times and never did. He cleaned up financially though. He bounced around signing deal after deal. He has started 2 games in his career and made $25M.

To take it to another level when all is said and done Tyrod Taylor already has had a lucrative career and will continue to add to that bank vault amount of money even when he gets replace as a starter by Mayfield. Taylor is a sixth round pick who has surpassed a lot of higher drafted players. He's a high character and low maintenance player with a high work ethic.

 

To me he is not a franchise qb and will never be. But that doesn't me he can't have an important role on a team as a backup or spot starter. The NFL is a relatively short career. When his career is finished he is going to look back and realize he did very well for himself. Because he is such a responsible person the money he will have made will put him in a comfortable position for the rest of his life. To put things in perspective Michael Vick was the first player taken in his draft year. He has earned an incredible amount of money in his career. While Vick squandered most of it because of his off field antics in comparison Taylor is set for life, at least from a financial standpoint.   

[Kirby Jackson]

15 minutes ago, JohnC said:

To take it to another level when all is said and done Tyrod Taylor already has had a lucrative career and will continue to add to that bank vault amount of money even when he gets replace as a starter by Mayfield. Taylor is a sixth round pick who has surpassed a lot of higher drafted players. He's a high character and low maintenance player with a high work ethic.

 

To me he is not a franchise qb and will never be. But that doesn't me he can't have an important role on a team as a backup or spot starter. The NFL is a relatively short career. When his career is finished he is going to look back and realize he did very well for himself. Because he is such a responsible person the money he will have made will put him in a comfortable position for the rest of his life. To put things in perspective Michael Vick was the first player taken in his draft year. He has earned an incredible amount of money in his career. While Vick squandered most of it because of his off field antics in comparison Taylor is set for life, at least from a financial standpoint.   

There is something to be said for guys that hang around the NFL for a while. I suspect McCarron will be one of those guys. There may never be a time where he starts a lot of games. It’s entirely possible that McCarron has a 10-12 year career and starts less than 10-12 games. Chase Daniel is in year 10 with 2 starts and $25M. That’s not bad work if you can get it.

 

To your point, the trick is you have to be reliable on and off the field, smart, a hard worker, show flashes and never rock the boat. McCarron can check all of those boxes. That’s the recipe for sticking around. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[GunnerBill]

31 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that the answer is because “he’s not Tyrod.” Some people wanted anyone but Tyrod last year and were happy to see Peterman. At the same time they now protect him because he’s the guy they wanted. No one likes to be wrong about a guy. They are willing to give him every opportunity to prove them right.

 

If Peterman didn’t fall on his face last year I don’t think that we’d see anyone lobbying for or against him. He’d just be a camp arm. At this point though everyone has strong feelings because there is a resume. One side can say “I think this because...” while the other side can say “yeah but....” If Peterman didn’t play at all last year the talk about him would be so much less. 

 

And I was much lower on Tyrod than you through the last year and a half of his time here.  I was also someone firmly of the view from the very start of last season that at some point the regime was going to want to "see what they have" in Peterman.  That didn't change my view that I didn't see it as likely that Peterman succeeded but I thought it was inevitable that they would get him on the field at some point. 

 

Just not being Tyrod is not enough to believe someone is likely to succeed.  

[zow2]

I hope Peterman has a chance to redeem himself.  Tough to change your rep after a 5-int game and get fans/teammates to believe.   I will say that he was doing a very nice job when he started the Indy snow game.  Those were some rough conditions and he made some decent throws and a beautiful back shoulder TD pass.  Too bad he got injured, I think he would've led us to the win that day.

[billsfan60]

On ‎5‎/‎21‎/‎2018 at 6:18 PM, Kirby Jackson said:

Why do people believe in Peterman? It’s an honest question? He was historically bad and was a 5th round pick for a reason. People hated Fitz, Orton, and Tyrod who were all decent and swear by Peterman. It is so strange. We are the only fan base in the world that prefers scrubs to decent. That is unique to Bills fans. 

A couple of things,  First, nobody getting to the pros is a "scrub". There are wildly divergent levels of ability, but all have something that got them there. Second, watching someone under center who could read a defense, go through his progressions and throw a WR open has become a novelty. Third, seeing a QB willing to actually throw the ball was like a breath of fresh air. After the clown show of the past three years at QB I'll take any of the three QBs we have right now. All we know for sure is there will be an uptick in QB play from here on out. Allen is the odds on favorite, long term, but for this year Nate has as good a chance as anyone. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, billsfan60 said:

A couple of things,  First, nobody getting to the pros is a "scrub". There are wildly divergent levels of ability, but all have something that got them there. Second, watching someone under center who could read a defense, go through his progressions and throw a WR open has become a novelty. Third, seeing a QB willing to actually throw the ball was like a breath of fresh air. After the clown show of the past three years at QB I'll take any of the three QBs we have right now. All we know for sure is there will be an uptick in QB play from here on out. Allen is the odds on favorite, long term, but for this year Nate has as good a chance as anyone. 

5 picks in a half wasn’t “a breath of fresh air to me.” I like when my team wins. The “clown show” of the last 3 years won more games than they lost and broke the playoff drought. There were a lot of times over the last 17 years that were more miserable to me than the recent times. Again though, I’m not concerned with “going through progressions” if it results in completing the pass to the defensive back. Moral victories aren’t important to me; winning is all that I care about. To each his own I guess...

[C.Biscuit97]

Do we just overhype every qb we draft?  I actually feel bad for NP.  He should have never started last year.  He’s a lot closer to be out of the league than starting.  Love it if he surprised but this was hardly a special talent.  And his best trait was he was the most “nfl ready” and we saw how that went.  He is at his ceiling already.

[JohnC]

47 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

5 picks in a half wasn’t “a breath of fresh air to me.” I like when my team wins. The “clown show” of the last 3 years won more games than they lost and broke the playoff drought. There were a lot of times over the last 17 years that were more miserable to me than the recent times. Again though, I’m not concerned with “going through progressions” if it results in completing the pass to the defensive back. Moral victories aren’t important to me; winning is all that I care about. To each his own I guess...

Whatever your views are on Peterman they are your views. Where I strenuously disagree with you and others is that it is unfair to define a rookie by one disastrous experience. Whenever there is a mention of Peterman there is a reflexive response by many about that Charger game. That's history. In my mind the fifth round pick is at best a backup. If that's the case then that doesn't disqualify him from having a useful role in the league. 

 

I believe that Peterman is going to earn a roster spot this year. Many if not a majority of people believe otherwise. The overwhelming consensus is that Allen is going to be our franchise qb, and there is a good probability that it will start sometime this season. But that doesn't mean that there aren't important roles for the backup/s. Let's see how this plays out. 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, JohnC said:

Whatever your views are on Peterman they are your views. Where I strenuously disagree with you and others is that it is unfair to define a rookie by one disastrous experience. Whenever there is a mention of Peterman there is a reflexive response by many about that Charger game. That's history. In my mind the fifth round pick is at best a backup. If that's the case then that doesn't disqualify him from having a useful role in the league. 

 

I believe that Peterman is going to earn a roster spot this year. Many if not a majority of people believe otherwise. The overwhelming consensus is that Allen is going to be our franchise qb, and there is a good probability that it will start sometime this season. But that doesn't mean that there aren't important roles for the backup/s. Let's see how this plays out. 

I 100% agree with you on this John FWIW. The only part where we differ some is that if he is 3rd at opening day he isn’t worth the roster spot to me. Stick him on the PS. If he gets picked up to an active roster so be it.  He can still be a backup in this league and have a role. He isn’t the answer at QB though. I hope that Allen is.