BullBuchanan Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Just to be clear: you're arguing for Peterman? Yes. Peterman has accuracy in line with traditional NFL success. Many, many , many players have had his level of accuracy and fall way short. it's not an indicator of success, but not having it is a strong metric that rules in favor of failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:  Not really. I just like what Peterman offers.  Hahaha.  You are vastly underrating the talent that Allen is bringing to the team.  Why people project things on to a guy like Peterman is beyond me. I don't know if they see some of themselves in them, like they want to support the underdog, or some such, but he ain't gonna play ahead of Allen. Like, your dreaming. This early camp ranking is all standard "veteran's first"-type jazz.  But I like to see these kind of posts, it adds to the fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Just now, OJ Tom said:  Hahaha.  You are vastly underrating the talent that Allen is bringing to the team.  Why people project things on to a guy like Peterman is beyond me. I don't know if they see some of themselves in them, like they want to support the underdog, or some such, but he ain't gonna play ahead of Allen. Like, your dreaming. This early camp ranking is all standard "veteran's first"-type jazz.  But I like to see these kind of posts, it adds to the fun.  What talent? Be specific. Everyone talks about talent and potential, but those are just empty words unless you say what they're talented in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Just now, BullBuchanan said: Yes. Peterman has accuracy in line with traditional NFL success. Many, many , many players have had his level of accuracy and fall way short. it's not an indicator of success, but not having it is a strong metric that rules in favor of failure. Â He blows. Â Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, OJ Tom said: Â He blows. Â Â Â Strong analysis. I think we're done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:  What talent? Be specific. Everyone talks about talent and potential, but those are just empty words unless you say what they're talented in.  So we're clear, you don't believe in the talent of Allen, who's never thrown an NFL pass...but you do believe in Nate Peterman, whose skill we've seen on display.  And we're talking about Nate Peterman, the Bills QB right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Are @BurpleBull and @BullBuchanan one and the same?  And is Peterman still your pick to start W1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:  Not really. I just like what Peterman offers.  So do defensive backs. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said:  So we're clear, you don't believe in the talent of Allen, who's never thrown an NFL pass...but you do believe in Nate Peterman, whose skill we've seen on display.  And we're talking about Nate Peterman, the Bills QB right?  I don't know what "talent" you're referring to. I've never heard it described on these boards with the exception of a strong arm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Just now, BullBuchanan said:  I don't know what "talent" you're referring to. I've never heard it described on these boards with the exception of a strong arm.  Got it. You're a troll. Been nice chatting with you. Sorry I didn't notice before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Just now, BeginnersMind said:  Got it. You're a troll. Been nice chatting with you. Sorry I didn't notice before. yea, me with my facts and rationale and all, and you with a bunch of nondescript adjectives. Did someone leave the gas on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 44 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: We weren’t talking straight WC. We were talking RPOs, moving pockets, wheel routes, etc... Tyrod is way better fit in Daboll’s offense than Dennison’s. As you well know I wasn't a Taylor fan. From my perspective he served a useful purpose while here but it was time to move on. But regardless what anyone thinks of him how he was handled was stupid. Denison had a philosophy and he was stubbornly sticking to. That is a dumb approach to take not only in the pros but also in college, high school and Pop Warner football. Rigidity as opposed to flexibility and adaptability is the hallmark of small minds and mediocrity. .  McCarron and Peterman are qualitatively different talents than Allen. If they are handled the same way and the game plan is the same for each of then then this offense, as challenged as it seems to be, will stagnate even more than it should.  Leslie Frazier did a terrific job of utilizing the talents he had to work with. Make no mistake that the talent level on that unit was sub par. The defensive backfield was high quality but the LBing and DL had deficiencies. Without question he maximized the talent he had.. Hopefully, this year the OCe will be smarter in his utilization of the talent that he has to work with. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Things don't bode well for Peterman (or McCarron, for that matter) to win the starting job. Â There's only 1 QB on the roster who's consistently trended up through the entire offseason from OTAs to Minicamp to the first 3 days of Training Camp. Â It's not Peterman. Â It's not McCarron. Â I said all along the first week of Training Camp would be the biggest indication of who our starting QB would eventually be. Â Well, right now, 3 days in, there's a clear winner so far. Â Allen will start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILFHUNTER#518 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said:  I've already said it 30 times across various threads. There is EXTREMELY limited historical evidence of inaccurate strong armed QBs being successful int he NFL. There are 2 "successful" QBs I've found over the last 35 years that raised their compeltion percentage rating by 3 or more points from college (Favre and Moon). The way they play the game - Allen is a traditional gunslinger that whips it down the field while staring down a receiver and hopes for the best (Favre, Cutler). Peterman is more of a gamer that moves around in and out of the pocket and looks for a play. If Peterman succeeds int he NFL I think he looks something like Fitz or Garcia.  Most realistically, I think the Bills are drafting another 1rst round QB in 3 years. I would take Favre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 56 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Joe B on the QBs so far:  https://www.wkbw.com/sports/bills/joe-b-7-observations-from-2018-buffalo-bills-training-camp-day-3 When I read the evaluation of McCarron the first thought that popped into my head was Trent Edwards. That overly cautious mind-set is tough to break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 Just now, MILFHUNTER#518 said: I would take Favre  So would I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: Things don't bode well for Peterman (or McCarron, for that matter) to win the starting job. Â There's only 1 QB on the roster who's consistently trended up through the entire offseason from OTAs to Minicamp to the first 3 days of Training Camp. Â It's not Peterman. Â It's not McCarron. Â I said all along the first week of Training Camp would be the biggest indication of who our starting QB would eventually be. Â Well, right now, 3 days in, there's a clear winner so far. Â Allen will start. Maybe we're reading different reports. From what I've read, McCarron has been the most consistent. Have you read otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, JohnC said: When I read the evaluation of McCarron the first thought that popped into my head was Trent Edwards. That overly cautious mind-set is tough to break. That’s what it sounds like (and Edwards is my least favorite Bill ever). With that being said McCarron has been a winner throughout his life. I’d like to think that he has a tough competitive spirit. I’m not sure that he’s too physically gifted but he will make good decisions. He did, and still does, feel like a good backup to me. He’s the kind of guy that can play for a few weeks and not hurt you. He isn’t going to elevate anyone though. 6 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Maybe we're reading different reports. From what I've read, McCarron has been the most consistent. Have you read otherwise? The Joe B post earlier said that Allen has been the best of the 3 so far. It’s up in the thread earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said: Maybe we're reading different reports. From what I've read, McCarron has been the most consistent. Have you read otherwise? it's all confirmation bias. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted July 28, 2018 Share Posted July 28, 2018 I think the people who are calling for peterman to start are the same people that wanted Jeff Tuel to start 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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