IgotBILLStopay Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Have been thinking about the Bills' WR situation. AMong free agents, Dez Bryant is a pipe dream and Maclin and Decker are washed up. So, I was looking at release trade candidates. Denver is in serious cap troubleĀ and needs to shed some salary. With two of the top three salary cap hits (Keenum is the third player in the group), Thomas and Sanders are the two candidates most likely to be released. / traded. Denver also drafted Courtland Sutton and Desean Hamilton in rounds 2 and 4 - so these two are serious candidates to be let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 We are probably one of the least attractive options for a FA WR. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 If we were trying to add to this roster weād have pushed more cap hits down the kind already. I think the plan is stay as is, unless something really surprises beaneĀ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 We're rolling with what he have. Who knows? They might surprise us. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Good options, I would think Denver would have released them by now if it was going to happen. If we could get one of them for a 5th I would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenbar Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 The BillsĀ Wr position has been a debacle for years, I do not know how an NFL team can let it be this bad for so long.Ā They should have locked up Robert Woods the year before he became a free agent and that would have helped out.Ā Kelvin Benjamin is one cut on the field from being done for the year and he really has not shown he can be counted on due to his injuries.Ā I think the front office knows this but are waiting to get all the other pieces in line first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalover4life Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Ā Thomas has a skill set that our team would love to have. Big, Athletic and has football smarts.Ā RunningĀ routes forĀ Peyton Manning for four years wouldĀ be valuable for josh as well. Ā Pretty sure Elway believes that Siemians play wasĀ buoyed by two excellent WRs. They will play as if thereĀ super bowl Window is still open. Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Lets just roll with what we got Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, Stenbar said: The BillsĀ Wr position has been a debacle for years, I do not know how an NFL team can let it be this bad for so long.Ā They should have locked up Robert Woods the year before he became a free agent and that would have helped out.Ā Kelvin Benjamin is one cut on the field from being done for the year and he really has not shown he can be counted on due to his injuries.Ā I think the front office knows this but are waiting to get all the other pieces in line first. Could also say: The Bills QB position has been a debacle for years, i do not know how an NFL team can let it be this bad for so long.Ā We could probably insert a few different positions for areas in which the Bills have sorely needed improvement. Ā You cant fix years worth of issues over night. We finally have a staff that appears to be committed to building this team thru the draft so we can have continued success & be challenging for Superbowls. I'd much rather they roll with what they have now & solidify the WR group next year, then over pay for a retread WR to appease a segment of the fan base short term. Splashy signings sound great, but those are the types of moves/mistakes past teams have made. Moves that were made for the now instead of the future & helped create a debacle that we know here as The Drought.Ā Ā I know its a long offseason but we really have no choice but to trust the process. If our GM sees a WR worth picking up once roster cuts are underway, i'm sure he'll make the move. But I don't see us investing 7-8 Mil in one of these big name wideouts when the goal for this year was to fix our cap situation & continue forward with our rebuild. Jmo of course Ā GO BILLS 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 The Broncos are in win now mode. I don't see them releasing either of Keenum's potential top targets. Maybe if one of the rookies shows well this year they become expendable next year. I'm actually expecting Thomas and Sanders to get a huge bump this year having a solid QB.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
folz Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 I think I'm ok with running with what we have this year and then next offseason go for a special WR in the draft and or FA (with the money/cap the team will have). I think Benjamin is going to have a big year. I had a lot of Carolina guys on my keeper fantasy team for a number of years (not Kelvin), so I watched a lot of Panthers' games. KB is very good when healthy. I think Kerley is a nice addition in the slot, and I expect at least one of the young guys (Riley, Foster, McCloud) or Streater will have a productive year (being 3rd or 4th WR). The big question mark is Zay. If Zay is healthy and has a good season, this WR group could have a very good year. But, yes, if Zay doesn't come along and the injury bug hits, we could be in trouble. But right now, I feel comfortable with the potential we have (provided there is also better QB play). Ā But to the OP's question, I think I would be more interested in Sanders than Thomas for the Bills and how our roster currently looks. But both receivers turn 31 this season, so only on a reasonable one- or two-year deal, would I entertain it. And I doubt those players would be looking for that, unless no one else was interested and they just wanted to get on a roster for the year. And I wouldn't want to take over a big contract/cap hit in a trade (it would have to be renegotiated to even be considered). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 GIT'R'DUN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 For the salary cap nerds, can we afford either one of them if we make a trade for one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Yeah... Iām ok with what they have at the moment... think one or two of the lesser names might surprise.. Ā Now OL on the other hand is a different story and Im hoping they can acquire a Guard or Right Tackle from somewhere... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 If one gets released go get em. Especially sanders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Bangarang said: We are probably one of the least attractive options for a FA WR. our QB situation will scare away all top free agent WRs, correct.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 9 hours ago, buffalover4life said: Ā Thomas has a skill set that our team would love to have. Big, Athletic and has football smarts.Ā RunningĀ routes forĀ Peyton Manning for four years wouldĀ be valuable for josh as well. Ā Pretty sure Elway believes that Siemians play wasĀ buoyed by two excellent WRs. They will play as if thereĀ super bowl Window is still open. Ā Will Denver throw in a time machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Elway would never go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 13 hours ago, Bangarang said: We are probably one of the least attractive options for a FA WR. It's true that from the outside looking in it doesn't appear as if Buffalo is going to put up big numbers in the passing game, but is a player is looking for a multi year deal, the possibilities for 2019 and beyond might be intriguing for a receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Sanders was largely a product of Manning....his best days are behind him....doubt you would get more than 400 yards from him in Buffalo.Ā Thomas is a true difference maker and I doubt they would be willing to move him given the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 13 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: We're rolling with what he have. Who knows? They might surprise us. Ā Ā Ā .agree twice Promo......banking on Benjamin & Zay returning healthy, Zay to get rid of the "drops", Streater being productive on his 2nd trip through, the emergence of the Reilly kid as well as some of the draftees......no need to panic yet.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 FWIW, Corey Coleman of the Browns is the other trade candidate. I think he was handicapped by the Browns QBs and they drafted Anthony Callaway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: For the salary cap nerds, can we afford either one of them if we make a trade for one? Ā Not really.Ā Realistically the Bill's have maybe 5-6 million left to spend in 2018. Both DEN WR's would cost 8 or 10 million in 2018 and 10 or 15 million next year. Ā I don't see the Bill's interested in that kind of WR money for guys on the wrong side of 30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 14 hours ago, Stenbar said: The BillsĀ Wr position has been a debacle for years, I do not know how an NFL team can let it be this bad for so long.Ā They should have locked up Robert Woods the year before he became a free agent and that would have helped out.Ā Kelvin Benjamin is one cut on the field from being done for the year and he really has not shown he can be counted on due to his injuries.Ā I think the front office knows this but are waiting to get all the other pieces in line first. Ā We were never going get good value out of Robert Woods with our QB and surroundingĀ talent. Granted Woods would be a nice number 2 on this roster but I just don't think paying him 8 million or more would have resulted in the necessary production that the team would have needed to justify that cap number. Woods is in a good system where he complements the QB so the Rams over payingĀ for him isn't nearly as bad.Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Stenbar said: The BillsĀ Wr position has been a debacle for years, I do not know how an NFL team can let it be this bad for so long.Ā They should have locked up Robert Woods the year before he became a free agent and that would have helped out.Ā Kelvin Benjamin is one cut on the field from being done for the year and he really has not shown he can be counted on due to his injuries.Ā I think the front office knows this but are waiting to get all the other pieces in line first. The real mistake was not picking up the Watkins option. We coulda had him this season at 1 year 11 mill when the market value for him was 3 yr 48 mill. BTW, I dont really have a problem with the trade to the Rams - I think we got a fair return (Gaines + second rounder)Ā - though the linked trade with the Eagles for Matthews (for Darby +Ā 3rd rounder) ) was, in retrospect, not so great. Edited June 10, 2018 by IgotBILLStopay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Ā Not really.Ā Realistically the Bill's have maybe 5-6 million left to spend in 2018. Both DEN WR's would cost 8 or 10 million in 2018 and 10 or 15 million next year. Ā I don't see the Bill's interested in that kind of WR money for guys on the wrong side of 30. Where are you getting your numbers? Ā http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Ā This is what I see (it reflects Eric Wood's injury / retirement (so it should be the latest). It shows Bills have about 16 mill. I dont know if Josh Allen is included in the calculations. If he is not, we have 16 million. If he is not in the top 51, we should still have 16 mill - 3.9 mill +0.6 mill, which is about 12.7 mill. Even keeping aside 4 mill for injuries etc., we can sign an 8-9 mill player. And we do not really have top worry about the next year. Ā What am I missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb62 Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Trade Zay Jones and Lawson to lar's for Reynolds and Smith, good deal for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 11, 2018 Share Posted June 11, 2018 2 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Where are you getting your numbers? Ā http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/cap/ Ā This is what I see (it reflects Eric Wood's injury / retirement (so it should be the latest). It shows Bills have about 16 mill. I dont know if Josh Allen is included in the calculations. If he is not, we have 16 million. If he is not in the top 51, we should still have 16 mill - 3.9 mill +0.6 mill, which is about 12.7 mill. Even keeping aside 4 mill for injuries etc., we can sign an 8-9 mill player. And we do not really have top worry about the next year. Ā What am I missing? Ā You got to subtract adding 2 players from the 51 cap to the full 53 cap (about a million) and the Practice Squad ( a little more than a million). From a couple of Beane pressers it sound like he wanted to keep about 5 for injuries/reserve. Ā I mentioned 2019 cap numbers because both WR contracts are thru 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted June 11, 2018 Author Share Posted June 11, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Ā You got to subtract adding 2 players from the 51 cap to the full 53 cap (about a million) and the Practice Squad ( a little more than a million). From a couple of Beane pressers it sound like he wanted to keep about 5 for injuries/reserve. Ā I mentioned 2019 cap numbers because both WR contracts are thru 2019. Ā Thanks for replying. Can always dip into the injured / reserve for a mill or so. Also, we have so much cap space in 2019 - we dont have worry about the contracts in 2019. That saidĀ team has potential out after 2018 for both Thomas and Sanders. So they will only be a one year commitment (no 2019). Ā http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/demaryius-thomas-6531/ http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/emmanuel-sanders-6590/ Ā Edited June 11, 2018 by IgotBILLStopay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Would demaryius Thomas really get released? He's criminally underrated I'd have him top 10 with Brown ODB AJ Green Julio, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metzelaars_lives Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 On 6/9/2018 at 8:01 PM, Bangarang said: We are probably one of the least attractive options for a FA WR. If a FA is interested in making a team and seeing the field, we are probably the most attractive option in the entire NFL. On 6/10/2018 at 5:40 AM, 8-8 Forever? said: our QB situation will scare away all top free agent WRs, correct.Ā Dude you act like there are all these FAās sitting around in July, just waiting to pick the team they want to play for. Ā If a guy still isnāt on a team, itās because no one wants them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 3 hours ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Would demaryius Thomas really get released? He's criminally underrated I'd have him top 10 with Brown ODB AJ Green Julio, etc Dude. Ā You forgot to set your time machine for the return trip from 2014. Ā While you are there put a few bucks down on VGK to win the west in their expansion year. Ā Boo koo odds. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 On 6/9/2018 at 11:00 PM, John from Riverside said: Lets just roll with what we got Yeah, I think this group will be surprisingly better than people think, from both a skill and scheme standpoint. I also don't see them making any more moves this year that have a relatively high cost,Ā unless we lose an impotent starter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeSomeProcess Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 2 hours ago, TPS said: Yeah, I think this group will be surprisingly better than people think, from both a skill and scheme standpoint. I also don't see them making any more moves this year that have a relatively high cost,Ā unless we lose an impotent starter. Same here they have a legit number 1 in Benjamin, a solid slot receiver in Kerley and a solid weapon at tight end. They just need Zay, Reilly or Dupree to step upĀ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 5 hours ago, 4merper4mer said: Dude. Ā You forgot to set your time machine for the return trip from 2014. Ā While you are there put a few bucks down on VGK to win the west in their expansion year. Ā Boo koo odds. Haha hear me out, HEAR YE HEAR YE I'm very familiar with Thomas's career;Ā He's been on my fantasy team for 5 years straight! I always draft him for like $5-$10 bucks out of a $200 auction because everybody sleeps on the fact that Semen's (I do this on purpose, I know.. immature) throwing. He's a sure bet for 1,000 yards every year. HE DID IT WITH TEBOW. Kelvin Benjamin's had 1 1,003 year season with Cam! I like KB and all, but if Demaryious is as undervalued as you say.. That's a steal, buy low sell high baby! Ā I always say a great receiver will get his yards no matter the quarterback. Newsflash:Ā Woods (love him not a slam, he could get 500, 600 yards with absolute crap QB play, blocks like a champ), Goodwin, Andre Holmes, Deonte Thompson, aren't at that level of greatness alaĀ Damaryious Thomas, DeAndre Hopkins, Andre JohnsonĀ good. These guys have gotten 1,000 yard seasons with crap quarterback play. They'd get it from Tyrod, Semen, Tebow, Tom Savage, Drew Stanton.. you get it. Ā I mean do you really feel strongly that Thomas's career is over? He's 30. Hopefully GMs think the same way too lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Haha hear me out, HEAR YE HEAR YE I'm very familiar with Thomas's career;Ā He's been on my fantasy team for 5 years straight! I always draft him for like $5-$10 bucks out of a $200 auction because everybody sleeps on the fact that Semen's (I do this on purpose, I know.. immature) throwing. He's a sure bet for 1,000 yards every year. HE DID IT WITH TEBOW. Kelvin Benjamin's had 1 1,003 year season with Cam! I like KB and all, but if Demaryious is as undervalued as you say.. That's a steal, buy low sell high baby! Ā I always say a great receiver will get his yards no matter the quarterback. Newsflash:Ā Woods (love him not a slam, he could get 500, 600 yards with absolute crap QB play, blocks like a champ), Goodwin, Andre Holmes, Deonte Thompson, aren't at that level of greatness alaĀ Damaryious Thomas, DeAndre Hopkins, Andre JohnsonĀ good. These guys have gotten 1,000 yard seasons with crap quarterback play. They'd get it from Tyrod, Semen, Tebow, Tom Savage, Drew Stanton.. you get it. Ā I mean do you really feel strongly that Thomas's career is over? He's 30. Hopefully GMs think the same way too lol. Depending on price tag i would take a flyer on him.....we need to get through this season so we can draft better receiving talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Ā Oh and I forgot to mention he's getting his thousand yard seasonsĀ sharing touches with Emmanuel Sanders, which.. maybe that benefits his yardage totals with less double coverage, or hurts it if he's not the only primary. I find in fantasy football, if the #1 WR option is by miles the onlyĀ option.. bad quarterbacks, especially younger ones target the heck out of them. Ā I have KB on my shortlist for fantasy football absolutely for this reason. If Josh Allen starts he's going to be throwing jump balls to KB every pass. It's just what rooks do, especially a quarterback that fits Allen's profile. Doesn't always mean it's a good passing offense.. Allen could be 3,000 yards passing 10 TDs 15 INTs, and KB will be like 1,200 yards, 7 TDs lol. Hedging my bets; if our passing offense devolves, I have a great fantasy receiver.. If we spread the ball around with good QB play, the Bills win! And maybe KB and DT get me them ff points. That signing would turn our receiving corps from bad to amazing overnight! Ā Would be the best WR pair I'd have seen on the Bills compared to what.. TO and Lee Evans? Moulds and Price? Watkins and Woods? Ā maaaybe Moulds and Price. 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: Depending on price tag i would take a flyer on him.....we need to get through this season so we can draft better receiving talent. ^ see my hot take Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Elway picked up the 4 million option on him this spring.Ā There isn't even a rumor out here in "Broncoland" about him leaving. Thomas is going nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 Just now, ColoradoBills said: Elway picked up the 4 million option on him this spring.Ā There isn't even a rumor out here in "Broncoland" about him leaving. Thomas is going nowhere. Yeah I'd have been positively shocked. DT leaves Denver like Dez left Dallas? No way.Ā That's why I was going nuts on my last post that people were saying DT would be a remotely feasible option. Gobble gobble. 9 hours ago, metzelaars_lives said: Dude you act like there are all these FAās sitting around in July, just waiting to pick the team they want to play for. Ā If a guy still isnāt on a team, itās because no one wants them. yeah but TO said he's waiting for someone to ring him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 25, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2018 3 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: Yeah I'd have been positively shocked. DT leaves Denver like Dez left Dallas? No way.Ā That's why I was going nuts on my last post that people were saying DT would be a remotely feasible option. Gobble gobble. Ā Yep.Ā Here is a excerpt from the Denver Post about Thomas. Ā Thomas is one of only four NFL players to post five consecutive seasons (2012-16) with at least 90 catches and 1,000 receiving yards, and although he fell seven catches and 51 yards shy of making it six seasons last year, he continued to scale the Broncosā record books. He moved into third place in career receptions (629), and second in both receiving yards (8,653) and receiving touchdowns (57). He already sits at No. 1 in Broncos history with 35 career 100-yard receiving games and is the fastest Broncos player to log 600 catches (112 games). Since he and Sanders joined forces in 2014, the Broncos have boasted a receiving duo that has topped 100 yards each in seven games (league most) and 1,000 yards each in three seasons. The list of accolades and records will only continue to grow longer. While the Broncos have already begun to make significant changes to their offense for 2018, their top receiver isnāt one. Thomas isnāt going anywhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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