Hard Knocks 2018: The Cleveland Browns

[BillsBytheBay]

20 minutes ago, elroy16 said:

 

 

Kids are at school learning calculus and all sorts of other subjects that have little real world application except for teachers and a small number of fields. If instead they taught kids those kinds of lessons your parents taught you, it would benefit almost everyone as opposed to calculus which only helps a very small number of kids.

 

There's shop, cooking classes, and all sorts of other electives. There's plenty of time to teach kids how to balance their check book, understand what credit is, and why investing for retirement early is essential. 

 

 

Yes, since schools are not teaching kids these types of valuable lessons, parents should. You should be thankful your parents did, because a imagine a lot don't.

I didn't take calculus when I was 16.  Both of my parents work worked full time.  We are responsible for sending our children into the world ready.  We are the one who have let our schools pick up our slack.... And it's obviosly not working.  I am confident that people who are good with money learned from there parents.  Not from difunctional school systems.  Parent involvment is the most important part of education there is.  I don't expect my daughters to learn how to be an adult from crappy teachers.  Their standards are set by me.

 

I agree that I'm lucky my parents did.  But that is my entire point.  It's not luck.  It's responsibility.

 

And I use calculus and algebra EVERYday.  It's a gift to life if you learn it.  On a trivial note, it's nice to look at a bar bill and instantly know what 25% is for a tip.  I giggle inside that they put it on the receipt some places.

Edited August 17, 2018 by JaxBills

[BillsBytheBay]

Also, if you're a parent, never assume your children's school is providing all they need.  My oldest is almost a teen, but I will always conduct myself as their role model.

[elroy16]

1 hour ago, JaxBills said:

I didn't take calculus when I was 16.  Both of my parents work worked full time.  We are responsible for sending our children into the world ready.  We are the one who have let our schools pick up our slack.... And it's obviosly not working.  I am confident that people who are good with money learned from there parents.  Not from difunctional school systems.  Parent involvment is the most important part of education there is.  I don't expect my daughters to learn how to be an adult from crappy teachers.  Their standards are set by me.

 

I agree that I'm lucky my parents did.  But that is my entire point.  It's not luck.  It's responsibility.

 

And I use calculus and algebra EVERYday.  It's a gift to life if you learn it.  On a trivial note, it's nice to look at a bar bill and instantly know what 25% is for a tip.  I giggle inside that they put it on the receipt some places.

 

 

I'm don't necessarily disagree with anything you're saying. At the same time, I don't understand why you think teaching basic finance is "passing the buck." Did your parents teach you the calculus and algebra you use everyday? I'm guessing no, you probably learned that in school. Kids learn things at school, parents can't teach them everything. Basic finance is important to everyone, calculus and algebra is not. 

 

 

I completely understand your point when you say your daughters standards are set by you. That's not my point. I think the curriculum schools teach isn't necessarily the most helpful for kids when they become adults. You might use algebra and calculus everyday, but I sure as hell don't. Calculating a tip would be a lesson in basic finance. 

 

 

In an ideal world, all parents would be like you, but it's just not how it is. I think we'd be better off as a country if we also teaching kids basic finance and other practical skills in school. 

[BillsBytheBay]

Just now, elroy16 said:

 

 

I'm don't necessarily disagree with anything you're saying. At the same time, I don't understand why you think teaching basic finance is "passing the buck." Did your parents teach you the calculus and algebra you use everyday? I'm guessing no, you probably learned that in school. Kids learn things at school, parents can't teach them everything. Basic finance is important to everyone, calculus and algebra is not. 

 

 

I completely understand your point when you say your daughters standards are set by you. That's not my point. I think the curriculum schools teach isn't necessarily the most helpful for kids when they become adults. You might use algebra and calculus everyday, but I sure as hell don't. Calculating a tip would be a lesson in basic finance. 

 

 

In an ideal world, all parents would be like you, but it's just not how it is. I think we'd be better off as a country if we also teaching kids basic finance and other practical skills in school. 

Simply because it is MY RESPONSIBILITY.  Mine.   Only mine.  Nobody else.  If you are an attentive parent you should know the lack of quality of financial training in schools and parent your kid.  If I send my kid off as an !@#$... That's on me.  I blame nobody. I was taught that, my children are taught that.

 

It's on us.

[Fadingpain]

22 hours ago, Gigs said:

Dude, that’s the American education system. Nobody teaches finances in public schools. I was shown how to mail an envelope, not balance a check book. Get your head out of your ass

These guys are college attendees/graduates.  And grown men.  Not knowing what interest is or the important of saving for a rainy day is ridiculous, embarrassing, and unfortunately, an indication of the realties they come from.

 

 

7 hours ago, elroy16 said:

 

 

Exactly. This has nothing to do with the players and everything to do with our education system. I didn't know crap about interest or savings until my mom bribed me with $100 to read a book about compound interest and then she also opened up a roth IRA for me.

And how old were you when that happened?  In college? 

 

The burden of education is on the student.  You and "Gigs" both sound like a pair of idiots.

 

No offense.

 

 

[BillsBytheBay]

3 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

These guys are college attendees/graduates.  And grown men.  Not knowing what interest is or the important of saving for a rainy day is ridiculous, embarrassing, and unfortunately, an indication of the realties they come from.

 

 

It is terrible.  This chit needs to be fixed.  I don't blame the guys.  I blame American culture.  Famliy is so important.

[Chuck Wagon]

The variance in the Browns this year seems massive.

 

I can see Myles Garrett being a beast, Tyrod doing his Tyrod thing not actively losing games and just enough weapons on the offense to put out a 10 win season.

 

I could also see one of Haley or Williams getting into an actual fight with Hue, stories about the offense vs defense coming out constantly as they scuffle along to a 2 win year.

[elroy16]

33 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

These guys are college attendees/graduates.  And grown men.  Not knowing what interest is or the important of saving for a rainy day is ridiculous, embarrassing, and unfortunately, an indication of the realties they come from.

 

 

You're right, it probably is an indication of the realities they come from. So why not try to teach them these things in school? I'm seriously baffled at how you guys can admit kids come from backgrounds where they don't have parents teaching them important lessons and in the next sentence call me an idiot for saying schools should be trying to teach them the same lessons. 

 

 

33 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

 

And how old were you when that happened?  In college? 

 

High school.

 

33 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

 

The burden of education is on the student.  You and "Gigs" both sound like a pair of idiots.

 

No offense.

 

 

 

If they aren't teaching kids these lessons, how are they supposed to learn these things? You see the problem here? 

 

I'm an idiot for thinking schools should teach more relevant information to kids? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We obviously aren't going to go anywhere, so let's get back to something we can agree on, Hue Jackson is a terrible leader. 

 

 

[elroy16]

1 hour ago, JaxBills said:

Simply because it is MY RESPONSIBILITY.  Mine.   Only mine.  Nobody else.  If you are an attentive parent you should know the lack of quality of financial training in schools and parent your kid.  If I send my kid off as an !@#$... That's on me.  I blame nobody. I was taught that, my children are taught that.

 

It's on us.

 

 

Final question I have, if you had a choice between the worst school and the best school to send your kid, which would you pick?

 

It shouldn't matter, right? As you say, it's all on you, so the school shouldn't matter, right?

 

 

It obviously does matter. You can't teach your kid everything. Like it or not, you have the biggest impact, but so does the school they go to, other adults, and their friends. 

[BillsBytheBay]

21 minutes ago, elroy16 said:

 

 

Final question I have, if you had a choice between the worst school and the best school to send your kid, which would you pick?

 

It shouldn't matter, right? As you say, it's all on you, so the school shouldn't matter, right?

 

 

It obviously does matter. You can't teach your kid everything. Like it or not, you have the biggest impact, but so does the school they go to, other adults, and their friends. 

Life isnt a left or right black or white type thing.  It's a big gray area.  I do what I have to and do what I CAN.  you're still trying to push off the responsibility.  I am say the school can suck if YOU as a parent care and interact.  My children will not act like victims.  And i am never going to be the kind of guy to shift blame.  My children are NOT the schools wards.

 

You really missed my point too.  The school isn't what I care about. it's parenting.  And to do a good job IS REALLY FREAKEN HARD.  Witch is why i believe so many push responsibility to chitty schools.  My high school had a police station in it.  Really.  Stop excuses.

But we digres........   The browns?

Edited August 17, 2018 by JaxBills

[PIZ]

Haven't read all the posts but did you see this?  Corey Coleman asks Hue to trade him.  It's right around 1:25:

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 17, 2018 by PIZ

[Heitz]

Here we go - let's see some Bills! ?

[RPbillsfan]

Does the Cleveland Browns offensive line coach know what a salad ? is?  Dude looks like a heart attack waiting to happen.  

 

Wish the dog Moose would use Greg Williams head as a chew toy.

 

What a dysfunctional mess they are.

[Albany,n.y.]

I loved seeing Gregg go nuts when Allen threw the TD to Streater. 

Edited August 22, 2018 by Albany,n.y.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

Wow! The Browns coaching staff is a bunch of clowns.  Greg Williams might just be the biggest piece of trash on earth. I don’t know if there is anyone more deserving of a punch in the face. 

27 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

 

Wish the dog Moose would use Greg Williams head as a chew toy.

It would probably give him worms. 

[RPbillsfan]

Got the talent of an 8 win team, coaching of a 0 win team, hoping somebody blesses Jarvis Landry with a need for knee placement surgery after taking out all ligaments in both knees.  Bless that you SOB

[bills6969]

This has been the best Hardknocks in a few years.  So many characters, especially on the coaching staff.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

Maybe I’m a horrible person, but I wouldn’t feel the least bit bad for Landry if someone snapped his leg while he was lining someone up for another dirty crack back block. 

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, RPbillsfan said:

Got the talent of an 8 win team, coaching of a 0 win team, hoping somebody blesses Jarvis Landry with a need for knee placement surgery after taking out all ligaments in both knees.  Bless that you SOB

My thoughts exactly 

[billsfan89]

21 minutes ago, chknwing334 said:

Wow! The Browns coaching staff is a bunch of clowns.  Greg Williams might just be the biggest piece of trash on earth. I don’t know if there is anyone more deserving of a punch in the face. 

It would probably give him worms. 

 

I will be fair to the Browns, Hard Knocks is going to pick the most salacious and buzz worthy soundbites of the many hours they are filming these guys. If you got recorded for 6-8 hours a day doing a high stress job you are going to provide the crew with some soundbites. I do think the Browns coaching staff is a bunch of clowns but the show is designed to play them up more than they are. 

[PromoTheRobot]

On 8/17/2018 at 1:10 PM, elroy16 said:

 

 

Kids are at school learning calculus and all sorts of other subjects that have little real world application except for teachers and a small number of fields. If instead they taught kids those kinds of lessons your parents taught you, it would benefit almost everyone as opposed to calculus which only helps a very small number of kids.

 

There's shop, cooking classes, and all sorts of other electives. There's plenty of time to teach kids how to balance their check book, understand what credit is, and why investing for retirement early is essential. 

 

 

Yes, since schools are not teaching kids these types of valuable lessons, parents should. You should be thankful your parents did, because a imagine a lot don't.

 

Actually calculus, and then some, is a requirement in jobs that pay real money. The trades are a fine way to earn a living. Nothing wrong with them. But don't knock higher learning.

[stevewin]

Was a nice reminder what a great job Allen did on the TD drive - three unblocked guys with clear shots at him (just ask Greggo)

 

Greg Williams is pure trash.  Was funny to see Haley throwing him shade throughout the episode ("That's not what good teams do" when greggos defense hit the QB in practice "You play how you practice" after his D got the game losing roughing the passer penalty)

 

 

[Best Player Available]

1 hour ago, stevewin said:

Was a nice reminder what a great job Allen did on the TD drive - three unblocked guys with clear shots at him (just ask Greggo)

 

Greg Williams is pure trash.  Was funny to see Haley throwing him shade throughout the episode ("That's not what good teams do" when greggos defense hit the QB in practice "You play how you practice" after his D got the game losing roughing the passer penalty)

 

 

After listening to G. Williams during the Bills/browns game. It is hard to find a bigger moron than him coaching in the NFL today.

He is pure garbage as a coach and a person. Hopefully his NFL ride is over when the Browns clear house after this season. 

[Fadingpain]

Just finished watching episode 3.

 

Best part of the show, by far, was after Terrence Fede's sack of Mayfield.  They cut to Myles Garrett on the sideline, who calmly says: "We can't let that **** happen." 

 

Just the way he said it was so funny!

 

The other star of this episode was Bob Wylie, the offensive line coach.  The stuff he was saying about winning 2 world wars with jumping jacks, push ups, and sit ups, was f-ing hilarious.  I fell in love with that guy. 

 

Then they showed him driving his Maserati GranTurismo and I loved him more! 

 

I think this was about the 3rd or 4th time we have now seen Jarvis Landry's daughter.  That kid is UGLY.  LOL.

 

Great show, as always. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:

I loved seeing Gregg go nuts when Allen threw the TD to Streater. 

I made note of that too!  It was sweet! 

 

He was about to slam his clipboard down and then thought better of it, but you could tell he was on the brink of a heart attack.

Just so good to see!

 

 

[purple haze]

On 8/17/2018 at 7:57 AM, JaxBills said:

ALL problems like this start at home.  My parents taught my to balance my checkbook.  My parents had me put my first summer working pay in a CD.  Why pass the buck to schools for what should have been parented?

One can imagine that the parents are also products of the same or similar education system.  If that is the case, then what is not known cannot be taught, whether one is a parent or not.  Being a parent doesnt imbue one with all of the answers.

 

 I would dare say most people are not taught more than basic finance (how to balance a checkbook).   The questions are why is something that is so supposed to be so important not taught?  And who benefits from that?  

[Rocky Landing]

1 hour ago, purple haze said:

One can imagine that the parents are also products of the same or similar education system.  If that is the case, then what is not known cannot be taught, whether one is a parent or not.  Being a parent doesnt imbue one with all of the answers.

 

 I would dare say most people are not taught more than basic finance (how to balance a checkbook).   The questions are why is something that is so supposed to be so important not taught?  And who benefits from that?  

Who the hell uses a checkbook anymore? What’re you guys in your 80s?

(80s is the new 70s, btw.)

[atlbillsfan1975]

Their defense is going to be good. I don’t like Williams as a person for what he did in NO, but I think he is the right guy for that team.

I could see them winning 6-8 games. 

The penalties and discipline is a reflection of the HC. Hue doesn’t have control of that team. 

[26TrapDraw]

Not sure what it is but just watched the episode where they played the Bills and there is such a terrible stigma attached to that team and facility. I get the perrenial loser thing but I just get this sense and feeling that they will be terrible again this year. It was evident when they lost the preseason game to the Bills. It was in the coaches and players faces. That must be the most terrible feeling in the whole world for everyone in that organization top to bottom. The facility looks run down it just has that negative vibe. I watched embedded and it seems like The Bills facility ( not so much stadium) is so much nicer. The show itself is a pretty hard watch and even HBO has their hands full making it watchable. I'm sure it's the same reason they didn't do it in Buffalo for all these years too. Wonder how the ratings are.

[plenzmd1]

The thing I take away from this show is how cussing causes you to lose your message quick. Now, maybe that same level of cussing goes on in the Bills coaching ranks too, I dont know. Byt damn does it make those coaches sound dumb

[YoloinOhio]

The giddiness of Hue that Josh Gordon had returned (“the bird has landed!”) was indicative of what an idiot he is. This guy has never been reliable for him, this franchise or any other coach. They’ve never won anything even when he does play. But he acts like he’s some key to success. Sad!

Edited August 22, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[Heitz]

Gregg Williams gonna Gregg Williams, that much is for sure.  Was there anything better than seeing him lose his s**t when Allen scored the TD.  Really made my Tuesday night...

 

And Bob Wylie feels like the type of guy you ONLY get in the world of pro football.  Quite a character!  

 

If nothing else, HK has made Baker a little more likable to me - I don't follow college ball, so it's interesting to see him "up close".  Not sure how they're going to keep him off the field, even with Tyrod there.

[YoloinOhio]

Worst HC impressions via Hard Knocks:

joe Philbin

dave campo

hue

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Does anyone have clips of Greggo losing it when Allen throws the TD? I don't have HBO and playing against the Bills will be my only interest in this season.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

The thing I take away from this show is how cussing causes you to lose your message quick. Now, maybe that same level of cussing goes on in the Bills coaching ranks too, I dont know. Byt damn does it make those coaches sound dumb

 

All coaches swear and cuss, it's a matter of how you use it.

 

I think for guys like Gregg Williams and Mike Waufle, the constant swearing really overshadows their message.

 

Whereas guys like Sean McD and Jason Garrett use it well. They swear sometimes so you know that when they do, they are serious.

[BillsBytheBay]

8 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Who the hell uses a checkbook anymore? What’re you guys in your 80s?

(80s is the new 70s, btw.)

Do you just go ahead and trust the bank?  Do you wait for them to give you a statement and believe it?  If so, I'm sorry.  Even if you don't use checks anymore, you still balance your check book.  That's how adults refer to the process of making sure you spend less than you earn.  It is the process of NOT living pay check to pay check.   

 

I'm sure your older siblings used checks if they were born in the 80's.  Ask them kid.

9 hours ago, purple haze said:

One can imagine that the parents are also products of the same or similar education system.  If that is the case, then what is not known cannot be taught, whether one is a parent or not.  Being a parent doesnt imbue one with all of the answers.

 

 I would dare say most people are not taught more than basic finance (how to balance a checkbook).   The questions are why is something that is so supposed to be so important not taught?  And who benefits from that?  

Still doesn't change my point.  Regardless, it's not a school problem.  And putting the lack of good parenting on the school is not the answer. 

 

I'm not saying their isn't a problem.   Saying passing the buck and blaming the school and not our culture will just exacerbate the problem.  

 

We are now a "it's not my fault" country.

Edited August 22, 2018 by JaxBills

[Rocky Landing]

9 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

Do you just go ahead and trust the bank?  Do you wait for them to give you a statement and believe it?  If so, I'm sorry.  Even if you don't use checks anymore, you still balance your check book.  That's how adults refer to the process of making sure you spend less than you earn.  It is the process of NOT living pay check to pay check.   

 

I'm sure your older siblings used checks if they were born in the 80's.  Ask them kid.

Still doesn't change my point.  Regardless, it's not a school problem.  And putting the lack of good parenting on the school is not the answer. 

 

I'm 54, and we do our banking online. Be that as it may, take a joke.

[BillsBytheBay]

4 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I'm 54, and we do our banking online. Be that as it may, take a joke.

Dang ol' man,  wouldn't you're check book be next to your teeth on the night stand ? ??

[thenorthremembers]

40 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

All coaches swear and cuss, it's a matter of how you use it.

 

I think for guys like Gregg Williams and Mike Waufle, the constant swearing really overshadows their message.

 

Whereas guys like Sean McD and Jason Garrett use it well. They swear sometimes so you know that when they do, they are serious.

I agree on McDermott, but Jason Garrett and his language made the Cowboys Amazon series unwatchable.   He cussed every other word, and it was always the same one.   I thought he, and most of his team was unlikable.  

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, thenorthremembers said:

I agree on McDermott, but Jason Garrett and his language made the Cowboys Amazon series unwatchable.   He cussed every other word, and it was always the same one.   I thought he, and most of his team was unlikable.  

 

Interesting, because I base my take off of watching the same Amazon series ?

 

Although Im only a few episodes in, maybe he swears more as it progresses? I just remembered it being a while before he swore infront of anyone. Maybe a bad example, who knows, but you get my point.

[Rocky Landing]

25 minutes ago, JaxBills said:

Dang ol' man,  wouldn't you're check book be next to your teeth on the night stand ? ??

It's your check book. (I blame your parents.)