Chris Simms: "Cardinals were heart broken when Josh Allen went before they could trade up"

[Mojo44]

7 minutes ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said:

 

I know right?  Because that is what wins SuperBowls!

 Just one small piece of a very talented pie. You and some others seem to think that Rosen is a slam dunk HOFer.   His flaws are well known and documented. Sounds like even the Cardinals wanted Allen but had to settle for a consolation prize. I would have been happy to have Rosen, also. However, we have Allen.His upside is enormous and, as you and I both know, most experts and prognosticators had him as a better prospect.

 

So what are you and the other Allen haters going to do now, root for him to fail?

 

 

[Mickey]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do you really see anyone "running him out of town"? 

 

Just listen to the callers on the radio shows, its over the top ridiculous. Rants, tears and on and on. Its not a case of people booing him as soon as he steps on the field, its a case of calling for his benching the first time he throws an interception. There will be no patience at all when it comes to Allen and a virulently vocal part of the Bills fan base. Hope I'm wrong and people who were really excited about one of the other quarterbacks just need to vent their disappointment for a bit. No question that Allen has flaws and needs work but this is a time for optimism, for hope. Instead, most of what I am hearing are different versions of "we're doomed", "they blew it", "Allen sucks" and on and on. 

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Loved, loved their Christian Kirk pick last night. Don’t love their ol or overpayment of Bradford and Glennon. The fact they paid both of these guys makes me think they definitely didn’t have Rosen as plan A.

 

Why not Rosen, but Allen?

[dave mcbride]

57 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Is that Peterman?  

Context of play: it was 3rd and 10 and it's not like the bruins had an especially reliable kicker from long distance last year. They were down by 3 late in the game, and he was either trying to throw it out of bounds to save field position or expecting that his receiver at the top would read the blitz and cut off his route at the sticks (which is where he threw it). Either way, it's not as if he did the wrong thing. He got hit, and couldn't get enough oomph into it to get it out, and the receiver didn't adjust. It's not really what people are seeing, though. Rosen was great in that game and had the right idea there. The defense simply made a play, though - the blitzer timed it perfectly. 

Edited April 28, 2018 by dave mcbride

[PirateHookerMD]

scrubbed through the video and could not find these comments. Where in this 4 hour video is the section? thanks!

[C.Biscuit97]

9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Loved, loved their Christian Kirk pick last night. Don’t love their ol or overpayment of Bradford and Glennon. The fact they paid both of these guys makes me think they definitely didn’t have Rosen as plan A.

Yeah, I agree on Bradford and Glennon but at worst, they are good veteran mentors for Rosen. But your point is valid. I bet Rosen plays before he end of the season given Fragile Sam.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

8 minutes ago, Mickey said:

 

Just listen to the callers on the radio shows, its over the top ridiculous. Rants, tears and on and on. Its not a case of people booing him as soon as he steps on the field, its a case of calling for his benching the first time he throws an interception. There will be no patience at all when it comes to Allen and a virulently vocal part of the Bills fan base. Hope I'm wrong and people who were really excited about one of the other quarterbacks just need to vent their disappointment for a bit. No question that Allen has flaws and needs work but this is a time for optimism, for hope. Instead, most of what I am hearing are different versions of "we're doomed", "they blew it", "Allen sucks" and on and on. 

 

OK, fair enough - I don't listen to call-in radio shows.  I suppose I probably could (almost everything but the floor plans of my kid's college dorms are available on the interwebs) but you're not exactly making them sound enticing

 

I expect it would have been the same or worse if we drafted Rosen, and yes, I'm sure there will be people going over the top "he sucks" etc once he starts.

I seem to remember there was a vocal minority calling to bench Kelly in favor of Reich, back in the day.

[The Wiz]

2 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

 

He also makes throws like these.

 

I dont even care about the play but who the hell decided that both teams could wear their darks?  I took me watching it like 10 times to even figure out what the hell was going on.

 

The only way I could tell it was a TD was from the ref.

Edited April 28, 2018 by The Wiz

[YoloinOhio]

6 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Why not Rosen, but Allen?

Rosen is considered ready to play right away and Allen needs a year or two. They payed Bradford 20 mill and Glennon behind him. 

[Yeezus]

OP did you really post a !@#$ing 4 hour video and didn't give a time stamp??

 

someone ban this guy 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Rosen is considered ready to play right away and Allen needs a year or two. They payed Bradford 20 mill and Glennon behind him. 

That said, not bad for any young qb to sit for a little bit.

[Mrbojanglezs]

All the ints people are posting show bad base, bad footwork. He has been working on that and should see improvement. That's much easier to fix than other issues causing inaccuracies

[Agent 91]

5 hours ago, Golden Goat said:

Last year, Allen was throwing to 2 sophomores and 3 freshmen. Not a single Wyoming running back, receiver or tight end was a starter the previous year. Let's see what he can do with a strong supporting cast before running him out of town?

Have to build that first

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, Mickey said:

Just listen to the callers on the radio shows, its over the top ridiculous. Rants, tears and on and on. Its not a case of people booing him as soon as he steps on the field, its a case of calling for his benching the first time he throws an interception. There will be no patience at all when it comes to Allen and a virulently vocal part of the Bills fan base. Hope I'm wrong and people who were really excited about one of the other quarterbacks just need to vent their disappointment for a bit. No question that Allen has flaws and needs work but this is a time for optimism, for hope. Instead, most of what I am hearing are different versions of "we're doomed", "they blew it", "Allen sucks" and on and on. 

 

Yes but calling him to be benched for...whom?  Unless there's a better option on the team, there won't be many calls to bench him. 

 

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Rosen is considered ready to play right away and Allen needs a year or two. They payed Bradford 20 mill and Glennon behind him. 

 

Rosen needing to sit isn't a big deal.  They have him for 5 years at least.  And like you said, he might end up starting soon given Bradford's fragility.  But what they did at the QB position in FA was dumb. 

[saundena]

Hey OP, can you tell us how many minutes into a four freaking hour video we should jump to?

[Mark80]

9 hours ago, Deep2Moulds46 said:

I know, we are all supposed to be mad or something....

 

And 

 

I know...what sources does Chris Simms have..

 

But for those willing to be open minded, I encourage you to watch the first couple minutes of this video when they recap round 1.

 

And if you really want to feel good, go back and watch round 1 when they gush over both Bills picks and say the Bills killed the draft.

And some scrubs named Mayock, Kiper, McShay and Matt Miller (in the video above) all ranked Josh Allen as a top 10 player and a top 2 QB.

 

But what do they know, right?

 

If you are going to post a 4 hour video that starts with 10 minutes of dead time.  Maybe, just maybe, let us know what timestamp to start watching the relevant parts. 

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yes but calling him to be benched for...whom?  Unless there's a better option on the team, there won't be many calls to bench him. 

 

 

Rosen needing to sit isn't a big deal.  They have him for 5 years at least.  And like you said, he might end up starting soon given Bradford's fragility.  But what they did at the QB position in FA was dumb. 

And their OL is bad (not that ours isn’t)

[Deep2Moulds46]

For those still missing the point. Two teams were both fighting for one guy and our team got the guy. And it's the position we are all desperate for.

 

It may not line up with your predraft rankings but all we can ask for is they get the guy they want. Let's see what happens

[PromoTheRobot]

The Cards must have been pretty worried about the Dolphins taking Rosen if they traded up anyway.

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, PromoTheRobot said:

The Cards must have been pretty worried about the Dolphins taking Rosen if they traded up anyway.

Looks like they were hell bent on getting one of the top guys, and there was a lot of smoke around Miami wanting a QB

Edited April 28, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

Looks like they were hell bent on getting one of the top guys, and there was a lot of smoke around Miami wanting a QB

So waiting for a top 4 QB to drop to 12 probably wasn't realistic.

[Agent 91]

1 hour ago, bobobonators said:

I'm sorry I completely missed the unblocked rusher who hit him as he threw. 

[YoloinOhio]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

So waiting for a top 4 QB to drop to 12 probably wasn't realistic.

Definitely not 

[Punching Bag]

5 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Flip side of that is Allen was the only NFL talent level player on his team. Wyoming had below average line play and wr play. When Wyoming went against power conference teams Allen tried to do all he could to win. 

 

This is what is important - when you are overmatched you still try even if you risk interceptions which is something I believe Tyrod was not able to do.

[Agent 91]

1 hour ago, Lurker said:

 

 

Can we please have a moratorium on posting pre-2000 completetion percentage comparisons!!!   It's maddening!   It was a totally diffeent game then in terms of the rules and pass-run ratios.

 

Like putting up Otto Graham's passing stats as a benchmark for looking at today's QBs...

 

 

 

 

The exact same thing I said when arguing about Culleys history working with QBs. I want Pegula to get his golden boy all the coaching he needs. The best available guy. Spare no expense 

[OldTimer1960]

9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I would feel better if he stepped up in the massive pocket he had and threw that with both feet on the ground. 

Perhaps the play was designed as a roll out to throw to the receiver in the flat and he improvised that throw when he saw the guy open deep.  We don't know.

 

7 hours ago, Fadingpain said:

The guy will need to transform into a new person if he is to be successful in the NFL.

He does so many things wrong.  He could get away with that at Wyoming where you have huge talent mismatches all over the field.  It's not like that in the NFL, where everyone around you is a super talent.  That's when the Allen way of doing things will kill his career.

 

 

Are you saying that Wyoming had great mismatches due to their talent?

[PirateHookerMD]

5 pages and no one can point out where he actually says this?

[Agent 91]

1 hour ago, GG said:

 

I'm more optimistic after watching Senior Bowl highlights & the three practice days.  Looked more fundamentally sound (without any pressure)

he didn't play a great senior bowl unfortunately. I believe he had a solid qtr but wasn't consistent. 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

That's really excellent pocket control. No one can deny he has all the tools, we just have to bring him along slowly and hope he finds some consistency.

 

That seems to be the key and why AJ McCarron was signed (interesting he does not have a # yet but Josh does) to give player drafted time to learn while temporary QB takes beating as new offense is crafted.

[Rosen-not-Chosen]

47 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

So what are you and the other Allen haters going to do now, root for him to fail?

 

I never said I hated Allen, just think it's likely he'll bust.

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Green Lightning said:

I think you got it right. Throwing motion would seem incredibly difficult to change. Darnold's going to have an issue, then again Philip Rivers seems to do okay. As far as the feet go, it just seems when the bullets are flying they revert back to their old habits and start winging it, particularly guys with big arms. We're just going to have to see and hope for the best.

 

 

I agree - that is the question can he learn and the will it stick.  

 

It is part art of the reason they can not rush him this year.

 

You need a lot of time to redevelop the muscle memory and if he plays and the bullets fly and he reverts - just reset the clock.

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, Agent 91 said:

Probably threw far fewer times too. We know they aren't in the same atmosphere as far as product. And name an NFL defense who will allow qb to be successful throwing 50 yes off his back foot. Didnt know that's how Brady Mannings Montana Young Elway all had their incredible successes. Climb the damn pocket.

 

For the record Allen 21 ints in 3 years

Rosen 26 ints in 3 yrs 

 

Rosen 1169 attempts

Allen 649 attempts

why are you comparing attempts? one played for a year longer then other.

[Agent 91]

7 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

why are you comparing attempts? one played for a year longer then other.

fine, take Rosen injury season out and its 931 attempts.

 

so my question still remains. what was your original point?

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, Agent 91 said:

fine, take Rosen injury season out and its 931 attempts.

 

so my question still remains. what was your original point?

just lol..

[RememberTheRockpile]

10 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

This might make them feel better.

 

So he throws an interception on a blue field against an opponent wearing blue. Might have a problem playing the Jets.

[Agent 91]

6 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

just lol..

nice chat

[PrimeTime101]

3 minutes ago, Agent 91 said:

nice chat

Your anger towards Josh Allen is so high that your blinded by non truths and facts that make no sense.

 

so there is no point in even talking to you about it.

 

so yea

just lol

 

And now he is making a nice long reply of reasonable facts that he is cherry picking from stats board to make Allen look bad

to continue to argue..

keep making that long post lol

Edited April 28, 2018 by PrimeTime101

[gonzo1105]

33 minutes ago, RememberTheRockpile said:

So he throws an interception on a blue field against an opponent wearing blue. Might have a problem playing the Jets.

 

Look at his footwork on that INT. He’s throwing it with all upper body. Doesn’t drive it with his lower body as his left foot is pointed at 10:00 o’clock. Easily fixable stuff. The read was right but the ball hung when it didn’t need to with proper base

[ngbills]

10 hours ago, Utah John said:

He hit the receiver in stride, 65 yards down field, without good mechanics and while falling backward.  Geez Louise.  And you're worried about style points? 

 

I'm not sure he's going to be a good draft pick but it will be fun to watch.

65 yards would have been out of the back of the end zone into the stands. He threw it from the 40...

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

 

Yes but calling him to be benched for...whom?  Unless there's a better option on the team, there won't be many calls to bench him.

 

Wasn't that the reason that the Bills traded Taylor?  To clear the field for whatever rookie QB they drafted no matter how poorly he performed?  AJ McCarron has started fewer than 10 games in his entire NFL career.  Peterman's one start was a disaster, and he didn't redeem himself in his other appearances. 

 

The Bills' actions in 2018 are eerily similar to what they did in 2013 to clear the field for EJ Manuel: replace a serviceable veteran QB, bring in a backup likely to be significantly worse than the former starter, and then draft a project first round QB to excite fans.  I really thought after the events of last year that the Bills had actually changed their corporate culture to put the winning ahead of profit, but while the names and faces have changed, the "Bills way" apparently continues unabated.  

 

That's what is depressing about the Allen pick: for all the talk about "process" and other bull ****, it's just the same old, same old for the Bills.  I hope Allen is successful but I'm not optimistic about his future because first round project QBs simply don't do well in the NFL ... or about the Bills' prospects about becoming a regular playoff contender.