Report: Bills Unlikely to Trade Up to No. 2 - Rapoport

[Dr. Who]

13 hours ago, BuffaloMatt said:

Or could be 4 Christian Ponders. Watson - was a major surprise, not a miss and Mahomes is an unknown.

 

Unlikely they are four failed qbs.  If you are waiting for a can't miss, perfect qb, you are going to wait a long, long time.  And even then, unless you are picking 1 overall, you will wait forever.  Historically, top of the draft has a 50% hit rate for qb.  It's considerably lower later on.  This is potentially a very strong qb draft.  Bills set themselves up to take a shot and it's time to do so.  Radical pessimism about the position is a prescription for continual irrelevancy.

[TheFunPolice]

I really hope the Browns take Allen because then it prevents the Bills from making that blunder.

 

Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield are all interesting to me for different reasons. Allen I have 0 interest in and would have to work to get excited.

[fridge]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm starting to think this is pretty close to what will happen.

 

This is my ideal draft scenario. Oh the years of intercepting Josh Allen will be so much fun.

[TheFunPolice]

imagine Barkley falling to the Colts at #6

 

Nice consolation prize for the HC mess

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm starting to think this is pretty close to what will happen.

 

Supposedly the Jets are split on Rosen and Mayfield.  

 

So they'll take Allen if one of those 2 are there?  

 

No.  Just no.  

[Radar]

6 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

I really hope the Browns take Allen because then it prevents the Bills from making that blunder.

 

Rosen, Darnold and Mayfield are all interesting to me for different reasons. Allen I have 0 interest in and would have to work to get excited.

I'm on the other side. I would take Allen before Rosen. Rosen character and durability worry me. If we keep our picks I would take him but giving up picks to move up for him I think is risky.

[ddaryl]

9 minutes ago, fridge said:

 

This is my ideal draft scenario. Oh the years of intercepting Josh Allen will be so much fun.

 

they can open a roster spot by getting rid of their punter. Allen and that freakishly strong arm will be able to throw 70 yd INTs

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Supposedly the Jets are split on Rosen and Mayfield.  

 

Where have you heard this?

[BillsFan17]

3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Where have you heard this?

Rotoworld posted it 

 

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by BillsFan17

[Chuck Wagon]

I think we are targeting 1.  If Denver is willing to sell #5, there's no reason we can't package 5 and other picks to go to 1, allow Cleveland Mayfield or Allen (or Rosen as a worst case) and Chubb or Barkley.  Heck, if they don't like the 4th QB if the Giants go QB or trade, they can just take Chubb and Barkley, then draft one of the later QBs.

 

I think we've decided #1 (Darnold) is #1 by a margin and are willing to give it up to make it happen.

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

I think we are targeting 1.  If Denver is willing to sell #5, there's no reason we can't package 5 and other picks to go to 1, allow Cleveland Mayfield or Allen (or Rosen as a worst case) and Chubb or Barkley.  Heck, if they don't like the 4th QB if the Giants go QB or trade, they can just take Chubb and Barkley, then draft one of the later QBs.

 

I think we've decided #1 (Darnold) is #1 by a margin and are willing to give it up to make it happen.

I think so too actually. There was a reason we made that late visit to Darnold...

[Bills of Boston]

Exactly.. say we get to 5 and Browns like Allen or mayfield. We then go from 5 to 1

 

bills. Darnold

giants. Barkley

jets. Baker or rosen

browns. Allen or baker

browns Chubb 

 

trade w Denver. 12/22 maybe a little extra?

 

trade w Browns. 5 and next years 1

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

I think so too actually. There was a reason we made that late visit to Darnold...

Please stop.  I'm trying to resign myself to disappointment.  OTOH, please be true

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Please stop.  I'm trying to resign myself to disappointment.  OTOH, please be true

I also have a hunch there might be a trade like the Chargers & Giants....CLE takes Darnold & we take Allen and swap 'em

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

I also have a hunch there might be a trade like the Chargers & Giants....CLE takes Darnold & we take Allen and swap 'em

I'm going to start drinking now . . . 

[Chuck Wagon]

18 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I think so too actually. There was a reason we made that late visit to Darnold...

 

I believe Cleveland is legit split on who to take, is prepping the fanbase on a potentially controversial deal by floating each name.  They've floated Darnold / Allen / Baker, now have set it up that even if it's Rosen you spin it as "he was the one we wanted to keep quiet".  If the Bills can get 5, they can sell the Browns on getting two of the guys they are getting at 1 and 4 anyway, along with whatever extra picks they toss in.  If you are fine with several QBs, it's something to consider.

 

I think the Giants are just taking Darnold if he's there, and Darnold is the only guy we'll give up a bunch to get, which requires jumping the Giants.  Otherwise I think Beane is content letting things play out potentially with the other 4 (Jackson included) and seeing when the price is right on each guy.

 

 

14 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

I also have a hunch there might be a trade like the Chargers & Giants....CLE takes Darnold & we take Allen and swap 'em

 

 

Right.  Cleveland takes Darnold at 1, then if a QB they are fine with falls to 4, they auction Darnold off to the highest bidder.

Edited April 24, 2018 by Chuck Wagon

[RFL]

13 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Giants are trying the shake the Broncos and Browns down the way the Colts shook down the Jets.  Move back a couple of spots and still get a boatload of picks.  Once that is exhausted, then they’ll entertain Beane’s offer.  

Bingo!  

[TheFunPolice]

As the clock ticks on Thursday night, the Giants pick gets less and less valuable.

 

5 premium draft picks for Barkley.

 

3 1st round picks, and probably a 2nd and 3rd as well, or a great RB prospect. That's the question.

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

I believe Cleveland is legit split on who to take, is prepping the fanbase on a potentially controversial deal by floating each name.  They've floated Darnold / Allen / Baker, now have set it up that even if it's Rosen you spin it as "he was the one we wanted to keep quiet".  If the Bills can get 5, they can sell the Browns on getting two of the guys they are getting at 1 and 4 anyway, along with whatever extra picks they toss in.  If you are fine with several QBs, it's something to consider.

 

I think the Giants are just taking Darnold if he's there, and Darnold is the only guy we'll give up a bunch to get, which requires jumping the Giants.  Otherwise I think Beane is content letting things play out potentially with the other 4 (Jackson included) and seeing when the price is right on each guy.

 

 

 

 

Right.  Cleveland takes Darnold at 1, then if a QB they are fine with falls to 4, they auction Darnold off to the highest bidder.

It's strange this year, since there is a lot of chatter about moving around & you always know who is going #1 by now. The only thing I wouldn't expect is staying at 12 and I can see multiple viable paths for us to move up.

 

I think Darnold is our #1 and I also see a long jam with the QBs ranked #2, #3 & #4  which is precisely is why we didn't make a move up to #3 and let the Jets have it. I think once we know what CLE will do at 1 McBeane will leap into action. Much like Dorsey said a few weeks back they had a trade worked out with us last year at 10 for Mahomes. It would not surprise me at all if we had something up our sleeve as well.

 

I could conceivably see this:  

 

CLE will take Darnold @1

NYG will take Barkley @2

JETS will take Mayfield @3

CLE will take Chubb @4

DEN trades with BUF & we take Allen @5

Buf & CLE swap QBs and CLE picks up #22, #53 & 2019 #2  

3 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

As the clock ticks on Thursday night, the Giants pick gets less and less valuable.

 

5 premium draft picks for Barkley.

 

3 1st round picks, and probably a 2nd and 3rd as well, or a great RB prospect. That's the question.

It's stupid of them to hold on at 2 for Barkley with the amount of holes they have and with a deep draft class that is rich in RBs - they are stupid to take him there. The 5th year option will be $20 million - no way I pay that to a RB.

 

Dave G may want to move, but Mara may meddle and make them stay there, especially with the Jets picking right behind them. Would it be bad publicity for them to move back for more picks? Dumb choice to take Barkley that high IMO...

[Chuck Wagon]

12 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

As the clock ticks on Thursday night, the Giants pick gets less and less valuable.

 

5 premium draft picks for Barkley.

 

3 1st round picks, and probably a 2nd and 3rd as well, or a great RB prospect. That's the question.

 

 

The Giants could walk out of the draft with Chubb or Barkley.

 

Or they could take 12 / 22 / 2 picks between 53-65 / 2019 Bills 1st.

 

They could offer 22 along with some of the  4 picks between 53-69 (already own 66 & 69) to move up and get 2 out of the Ward / James / Smith / Edmonds / Vea / Fitzpatrick / Davenport / McGlinchy / (maybe even Nelson) group. Then take Michel or Guice at 34 AND have the Bills 2019 1st.

 

 

You only turn that down if you are taking QB too.

 

[TheFunPolice]

Kareem Hunt was pick #86 in the 3rd round a year ago...

 

His first NFL game was helping to pummel NE in NE in prime time for 140+ yards. He ended the season with over 1300 yards rushing and 8 TD

 

Alvin Kimara was a huge part of the Saints offense. Another 3rd round pick last year.

 

NO WAY I draft a RB in round one. It's just dumb.

[Mr. ChumChums]

48 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

they can open a roster spot by getting rid of their punter. Allen and that freakishly strong arm will be able to throw 70 yd INTs

My first reaction was, GENIUS.

 

Then I realized that all they have to do in that case is to just not catch the ball.

[ddaryl]

3 minutes ago, Mr. ChumChums said:

My first reaction was, GENIUS.

 

Then I realized that all they have to do in that case is to just not catch the ball.

 

Ya got to throw that INT on 3rd down.

 

Just a little game plan adjustment

[BillsFan130]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm starting to think this is pretty close to what will happen.

That would be amazing. Would probably only have to give up 12, 22 as well

20 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

As the clock ticks on Thursday night, the Giants pick gets less and less valuable.

 

5 premium draft picks for Barkley.

 

3 1st round picks, and probably a 2nd and 3rd as well, or a great RB prospect. That's the question.

Giants would be so dumb to turn that down. They should either just take a QB or trade out for huge draft capital in my opinion. A RB just isn't worth that much in my books

[Chuck Wagon]

15 minutes ago, billsfan11 said:

That would be amazing. Would probably only have to give up 12, 22 as well

 

 

I think Darnold is the only one they would give pick 22 or the 2019 1st up to get.  I think outside of him they would likely offer 12 / 2 out of 53-65  / maybe toss in a 2019 3rd/4th.

 

 

That's worth a little more than pick 5 and a little less than 4.  Offer it to 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 as long as one of the top 4 is on the board, with all 3 picks between 53-65 plus 12 the most I'd give.

 

Edited April 24, 2018 by Chuck Wagon

[Mr. ChumChums]

10 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

Ya got to throw that INT on 3rd down.

 

Just a little game plan adjustment

So basically playing Canadian 3-down football? Well our QB problem is solved then! Let's just grab whoever is the top QB in the CFL!

[cle23]

27 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

As the clock ticks on Thursday night, the Giants pick gets less and less valuable.

 

5 premium draft picks for Barkley.

 

3 1st round picks, and probably a 2nd and 3rd as well, or a great RB prospect. That's the question.

The pick gets more valuable as time goes.  Once the Giants are on the clock, there are 10 minutes to hammer out a deal. Either teams overpay, or the Giants take Barkley like they want.  I'd trade, but they aren't really pressured to, yet Buffalo has made it clear they are all on a QB. Time will tell whether they overpay or not.

[ddaryl]

3 minutes ago, Mr. ChumChums said:

So basically playing Canadian 3-down football? Well our QB problem is solved then! Let's just grab whoever is the top QB in the CFL!

 

 

4 minutes ago, cle23 said:

The pick gets more valuable as time goes.  Once the Giants are on the clock, there are 10 minutes to hammer out a deal. Either teams overpay, or the Giants take Barkley like they want.  I'd trade, but they aren't really pressured to, yet Buffalo has made it clear they are all on a QB. Time will tell whether they overpay or not.

 

actually its the opposite IMO. The Giants are holding out now for an over pay. They have a price if they are willing to trade and are holding out ot exceed that price because they can.

 

If the Giants take Barkley its because they wanted him all along and were only looking for a huge over pay

[gobills1212]

45 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

I believe Cleveland is legit split on who to take, is prepping the fanbase on a potentially controversial deal by floating each name.  They've floated Darnold / Allen / Baker, now have set it up that even if it's Rosen you spin it as "he was the one we wanted to keep quiet".  If the Bills can get 5, they can sell the Browns on getting two of the guys they are getting at 1 and 4 anyway, along with whatever extra picks they toss in.  If you are fine with several QBs, it's something to consider.

 

I think the Giants are just taking Darnold if he's there, and Darnold is the only guy we'll give up a bunch to get, which requires jumping the Giants.  Otherwise I think Beane is content letting things play out potentially with the other 4 (Jackson included) and seeing when the price is right on each guy.

 

 

 

 

Right.  Cleveland takes Darnold at 1, then if a QB they are fine with falls to 4, they auction Darnold off to the highest bidder.

Cleveland also has a bunch of leaks. 

It's been speculated and smartly so, this is a good way to fix that. Drop a few tidbits and see what comes out in the media. 

Personally, (and like everyone else, this speculation by all of us is simply our opinion and nothing more) I think this is wwaaayyyy being over thought and analyzed. 

After all this, I'd be shocked if Darnold wasn't taken #1. It just seems like it's pretty cut and dry and anything else is just asking for trouble. 

The only way that isnt the case is simply if Dorsey just evaluates QBs based on his own set of measurments.

On the off chance they do over think it and do something besides Darnold - then I'd hope the Bill's do anything and everything to get that #2. 

I'd also guess if NY didnt take him there just comes a point where xxx (picks/players) is just much more valuable than an RB (assuming the giants 'love' for Darnold is just smoke). 

Honestly, at this point we are just rehashing the same stuff over and over with no answer key so what's the point. 

Then, we get the daily old timer post about what a novel idea it would be to keep all the picks (like it's the 1st time it's been suggested) and we then have to go around that again....

I love checking here and reading the new rumors etc but I'm glad the end us near BC it's getting a little crazy and redundant.... and not even just here, but all coverage as a whole. 2 more days and then at least the topics change to arguing about the pick!! Yay!!

[BillsFan130]

38 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

I think Darnold is the only one they would give pick 22 or the 2019 1st up to get.  I think outside of him they would likely offer 12 / 2 out of 53-65  / maybe toss in a 2019 3rd/4th.

 

 

That's worth a little more than pick 5 and a little less than 4.  Offer it to 4 / 5 / 6 / 7 as long as one of the top 4 is on the board, with all 3 picks between 53-65 plus 12 the most I'd give.

 

I would prefer that myself but i think it will cost them two first rounders. At least.

 

I would prefer Darnold too but they somehow need to get one of the big 4.  (Darnold, Rosen, mayfield, Allen) 

 

I would be happy with any of them although Allen would probably be my last choice on that list 

[Reed83HOF]

Galko update:

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-draft-rumors-news-2018-josh-rosen-baker-mayfield-seahawks-patriots/we39wjkoszkh1865uxzb1c7fp

 

 Mitchell Trubisky last year was a target of the Bills in a possible trade. Buffalo instead opted not to mortgage its future to move up and get him; it traded down and kicked the can down the road. This year, the Bills’ intention of drafting a quarterback has been clear since the middle of the regular season. They have evaluated Josh Rosen and Josh Allen, and I believe both have been considered throughout the process.

Almost everyone I’ve spoken with believes the Bills will find a way to draft Allen. Assuming he doesn't go first overall, they could do it with a trade up to No. 2, No. 4, No. 5 or No. 6.

 

Final quarterback-team predictions: Darnold-Browns, Mayfield-Jets, Allen-Bills, Rosen-Chargers, Jackson-Saints, Lauletta-Ravens, Rudolph-Jaguars, White-Dolphins, Falk-Patriots, Benkert-Bengals, Marshall’s Chase Litton-Cardinals, Memphis’ Riley Ferguson-Steelers, Toledo’s Logan Woodside-Titans, Ohio State’s JT Barrett-Seahawks, Texas Tech’s Nic Shimonk-Colts, Idaho’s Matt Linehan-Cowboys.

[KDIGGZ]

[sven233]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

Final quarterback-team predictions: Darnold-Browns, Mayfield-Jets, Allen-Bills, Rosen-Chargers, Jackson-Saints, Lauletta-Ravens, Rudolph-Jaguars, White-Dolphins, Falk-Patriots, Benkert-Bengals, Marshall’s Chase Litton-Cardinals, Memphis’ Riley Ferguson-Steelers, Toledo’s Logan Woodside-Titans, Ohio State’s JT Barrett-Seahawks, Texas Tech’s Nic Shimonk-Colts, Idaho’s Matt Linehan-Cowboys.

 

It would be an absolute disaster if we choose Allen over Rosen.  Just brutal.....

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Galko update:

 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/nfl-draft-rumors-news-2018-josh-rosen-baker-mayfield-seahawks-patriots/we39wjkoszkh1865uxzb1c7fp

 

 Mitchell Trubisky last year was a target of the Bills in a possible trade. Buffalo instead opted not to mortgage its future to move up and get him; it traded down and kicked the can down the road. This year, the Bills’ intention of drafting a quarterback has been clear since the middle of the regular season. They have evaluated Josh Rosen and Josh Allen, and I believe both have been considered throughout the process.

Almost everyone I’ve spoken with believes the Bills will find a way to draft Allen. Assuming he doesn't go first overall, they could do it with a trade up to No. 2, No. 4, No. 5 or No. 6.

 

Final quarterback-team predictions: Darnold-Browns, Mayfield-Jets, Allen-Bills, Rosen-Chargers, Jackson-Saints, Lauletta-Ravens, Rudolph-Jaguars, White-Dolphins, Falk-Patriots, Benkert-Bengals, Marshall’s Chase Litton-Cardinals, Memphis’ Riley Ferguson-Steelers, Toledo’s Logan Woodside-Titans, Ohio State’s JT Barrett-Seahawks, Texas Tech’s Nic Shimonk-Colts, Idaho’s Matt Linehan-Cowboys.

 

— Where will Josh Rosen land? That might be the question many ask themselves well into the first round. More than a few teams have removed him completely from their boards, and it’s naïve to assume it’s just because of the statements he’s made or interviews he’s done. NFL teams drop players because of character issues, frustrations with their personalities or major injury red flags, and they only remove players when there are major concerns.

 

That said, there are still multiple teams in the first round, including the Jets, Bills and Chargers, that could make Rosen a first-round pick. They just might not have as much competition for him as originally thought.

[BuffaloRebound]

Why would Beane trade the farm for a QB the Giants don’t want at 2?  Really seems the top 4 or even top 5 QB’s are all crapshoots.  Beane still needs to come out of the draft with one of the top 4/5, so my guess is picks 7 and 8 are where the action should be for Beane.  Most likely only have to give up one of our 2nd rounders to move up a couple spots.  

[ColoradoBills]

18 hours ago, MDFan said:

Sounds like some gamesmanship by Beane to me.  The Bills are in the drivers seat for that pick, if Gettleman wants to trade, and if the Bills choose to do it.  

Yep.

If the NYG want to trade out of pick #2, the Bill's are their only realistic partner.

Elway would look foolish to trade up.  Miami doesn't have the 2018 picks to make them a player and same with the Cardinals.

It's trade with the Bill's or pick.

 

18 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

What if we only like 2 QBs? The Jets made a dumb move, they don't even know what they traded for yet. I don't know why the Colts made the trade without waiting until draft night to see what offers they can get. My best guess is they decided they don't want to trade lower than 6 so it wasn't worth waiting around.

 

I agree HappyDays.  Colt's made the right move and by doing it early it gives them plenty of time to decide which way they want to go with all their picks.

It takes time to decide what players to target with 5 picks in the top 67.  You don't want to do that Draft night if you don't have to.

Beane probably tried but the Jet's had the advantage.  Colt's may not of even wanted to talk to him about pick #12.

[Chicken Boo]

I'd be ok with it.  Allen sits for a year, BUT Daboll had better be worth his salt, developing this guy.

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

I'd be ok with it.  Allen sits for a year, BUT Daboll had better be worth his salt, developing this guy.

I rarely agree with you.  This may be a sign of the Apocalypse, not sure . . . 

[SWATeam]

37 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Why would Beane trade the farm for a QB the Giants don’t want at 2?  Really seems the top 4 or even top 5 QB’s are all crapshoots.  Beane still needs to come out of the draft with one of the top 4/5, so my guess is picks 7 and 8 are where the action should be for Beane.  Most likely only have to give up one of our 2nd rounders to move up a couple spots.  

To get ahead of the Jets

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, SWATeam said:

To get ahead of the Jets

I agree, but the post you respond to is one of those who thinks because all the top qbs have flaws, one can be indifferent as to which of them one ends up with.