BadLandsMeanie Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Maybe it is nobody's fault, but I'm getting uneasy about this off-season so far. Eric Wood suddenly retired, then Zay Jones had a breakdown on film, now Incognito retired. So 2 of 11 starters on offense are gone and 1 is questionable. This is really bad luck. Next here are Sal C's main free agent needs prior to free agency starting: (http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/capaccio-ranking-bills-five-biggest-needs-heading-free-agency) Defensive tackle, Linebacker, Wide receiver, Offensive line, Defensive end/Pass rusher. Of those 5, we addressed only Defensive tackle in a meaningful way. And then the needs got worse at offensive line and receiver. Setting the upcoming draft aside, it seems to me we got worse instead of better so far. What do you think? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Get the QB and this will be the best offseason we have had this century Edited April 10, 2018 by kdiggz 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebrastripes Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Remember when we won the off season? We all know how that year turned out. In all seriousness though I think the Bills are going to fill a lot of their holes with guys who get cut after June 1st. This way they can determine exactly what they need after the draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awwufelloff Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Yes, we will not be a playoff team next year. Unless we get Rosen or Mayfield. QB is the only thing that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Oh fudge 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 BLM the Bills to sum it up have neither won nor lost the offseason yet imo the Draft will be a major determining factor but dang we have clearly taken some good hits and I do NOT think McBeane saw this richie situation happening...at all. It's like a forearm shiver the team didnt need blech :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Simple answer. No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said: Yes, we will not be a playoff team next year. Unless we get Rosen or Mayfield. QB is the only thing that matters. It's not the only thing, it's the most important thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 We could have 5 quarterbacks and 17 recievers like the Jets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Two relics are gone from the OL and Zay had one bad night after smoking some killer weed. I'm not worried one bit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) Last year we lost Dareus, Gilmore, Darby, Woods, Watkins, Gillislee, Graham, Aaron Williams, Zach Brown. It's called rebuilding. Rex and Whaley lost control of the team. The inmates were running the asylum. It's a total rebuild with McBeane. If we had gone 3-13 last year more fans would understand what is going on. But because we got buy in from the team, punched above our weight and the math worked to put us in the playoffs people think we should win the Super Bowl in 2 years. 22 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said: Remember when we won the off season? We all know how that year turned out. In all seriousness though I think the Bills are going to fill a lot of their holes with guys who get cut after June 1st. This way they can determine exactly what they need after the draft. I agree. I think they'll be active signing players all summer after June 1 and will present an attractive destination for priority undrafted free agents. The Benjamin trade last year showed they aren't going to be afraid to add talent when a clear need arises. It feels like some people think we are going to show up for day 1 of OTAs with 35 players. Edited April 10, 2018 by Chuck Wagon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 They still have the draft, and as someone stated above, players who get cut in the summer will become available. By that time they’ll have a better idea of their true needs heading into the season, and also the fact that those guys signed later on will come much cheaper than the ones signed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gugny said: Two relics are gone from the OL and Zay had one bad night after smoking some killer weed. I'm not worried one bit. The relics were the two best linemen we had Gugny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: They still have the draft, and as someone stated above, players who get cut in the summer will become available. By that time they’ll have a better idea of their true needs heading into the season, and also the fact that those guys signed later on will come much cheaper than the ones signed now. And won't count as #comppicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, BadLandsMeanie said: The relics were the two best linemen we had Gugny. It's a center and a guard. I can't think of two easier positions to replace, to be honest. It's time to get younger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 16 minutes ago, Zebrastripes said: Remember when we won the off season? We all know how that year turned out. In all seriousness though I think the Bills are going to fill a lot of their holes with guys who get cut after June 1st. This way they can determine exactly what they need after the draft. 5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Last year we lost Dareus, Gilmore, Darby, Woods, Watkins, Gillislee, Graham, Aaron Williams, Zach Brown. It's called rebuilding. Rex and Whaley lost control of the team. The inmates were running the asylum. It's a total rebuild with McBeane. If we had gone 3-13 last year more fans would understand what is going on. But because we got buy in from the team, punched above our weight and the math worked to put us in the playoffs people think we should win the Super Bowl in 2 years. I agree. I think they'll be active signing players all summer after June 1 and will present an attractive destination for priority undrafted free agents. The Benjamin trade last year showed they aren't going to be afraid to add talent when a clear need arises. It feels like some people think we are going to show up for day 1 of OTAs with 35 players. 2 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: They still have the draft, and as someone stated above, players who get cut in the summer will become available. By that time they’ll have a better idea of their true needs heading into the season, and also the fact that those guys signed later on will come much cheaper than the ones signed now. Where will they get the money? My understanding is they have just a little more than it will cost to sign their draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said: The relics were the two best linemen we had Gugny. Eric Wood has been really overrated for a long time and I was upset when he signed that extension. Richie still plays at a very high level and his loss is big, but some fresh blood there is exciting and I believe we will be okay. I really do think Ryan Groy could replace one. We get a guy like Ragnow, Price maybe in the second round and Bodine becomes your swing guy or competes to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I think Price is a good option. Or a guy like Hernandez would be a great addition. 8 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Where will they get the money? My understanding is they have just a little more than it will cost to sign their draft picks. Regarding the cap space, I read somewhere that they’ll save most of the money from Incognito with him retiring. I think it saves around $5M-$6M. Also, if they’re signing guys in June it won’t be for much more than league minimum. I dont think they plabned on this, but they are trying to build the depth. Mills, Ducasse, Groy, Bodine along with a Draft Pick or two could give us a solid group. We look at this as trash, but let’s not forget Bodine started in Cincinatti for almost every game for what, 3-4 years? And he’ll battle Groy. The weak spot is Mills, but even he, compared to some around the league, is an average player. We forget how bad offensive line play has become. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I was worried about the OL before this. Now that concern is only greater. I guess in the scheme of things we get younger. I guess we will have to wait and see how this play out. The lack of wide receivers is also concerning. I could see this offense being worse than last year which is saying a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, Gugny said: It's a center and a guard. I can't think of two easier positions to replace, to be honest. It's time to get younger. If C/G players are so easily replaceable, why is the league littered with terrible ones? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Blokestradamus said: If C/G players are so easily replaceable, why is the league littered with terrible ones? I'm done with you, Limey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knicks&Bills Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 We got AJ, who I believe in, so no, we’re not losing the off season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Gugny said: I'm done with you, Limey. I don't blame you. I am pretty terrible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Eric Wood has been really overrated for a long time and I was upset when he signed that extension. Richie still plays at a very high level and his loss is big, but some fresh blood there is exciting and I believe we will be okay. I really do think Ryan Groy could replace one. We get a guy like Ragnow, Price maybe in the second round and Bodine becomes your swing guy or competes to start. Well maybe Wood was over rated. But I am not going by reputation. I watched I think it was 4 games on all 22. Over and over spending at least 3 hours per game. Granted it was only 4 games but in those 4 he and Incognito were hands down better than the other 3 starters. I don't think Groy played much so I can't say how he would compare. From what I watched though, "over rated" applies to Dawkins. He was adequate and not awful. But not the smashing success and upcoming star I read about. At least not yet and at least not to my eyes which are not expert. Dawkins is tough though that Bosa guy on the chargers poked Dawkins in the eye really bad (wasn't noticed by refs) (or reported in the news) and yet Dawkins didn't even miss one play to recover from it. Edited April 10, 2018 by BadLandsMeanie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveFor1Outta5 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 46 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: If C/G players are so easily replaceable, why is the league littered with terrible ones? That’s exactly what makes them easy to replace. If you have a terrible C/G, then you are in the same shape as most other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 12 minutes ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said: That’s exactly what makes them easy to replace. If you have a terrible C/G, then you are in the same shape as most other teams. That's certainly one way of looking at it, I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Maybe it is nobody's fault, but I'm getting uneasy about this off-season so far. Eric Wood suddenly retired, then Zay Jones had a breakdown on film, now Incognito retired. So 2 of 11 starters on offense are gone and 1 is questionable. This is really bad luck. Next here are Sal C's main free agent needs prior to free agency starting: (http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/capaccio-ranking-bills-five-biggest-needs-heading-free-agency) Defensive tackle, Linebacker, Wide receiver, Offensive line, Defensive end/Pass rusher. Of those 5, we addressed only Defensive tackle in a meaningful way. And then the needs got worse at offensive line and receiver. Setting the upcoming draft aside, it seems to me we got worse instead of better so far. What do you think? the way i see it, no Rex is a win in any off-season. so, there is that..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) To me 3 major surprises, Woods, Mathews & Incognito. Jordan Mathews apparently wasn't going to sign here so all 3 were unavoidable. I see this as a 3 year rebuild. Plenty of time for adjustments. Groy can play LG or center so we need 1 starter. Probably a LG I do believe moving up could be a problem using up most of our picks. If it was me I look to trade a 2019 selection for a starting center. Edited April 10, 2018 by HOUSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Maybe it is nobody's fault, but I'm getting uneasy about this off-season so far. Eric Wood suddenly retired, then Zay Jones had a breakdown on film, now Incognito retired. So 2 of 11 starters on offense are gone and 1 is questionable. This is really bad luck. Next here are Sal C's main free agent needs prior to free agency starting: (http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/capaccio-ranking-bills-five-biggest-needs-heading-free-agency) Defensive tackle, Linebacker, Wide receiver, Offensive line, Defensive end/Pass rusher. Of those 5, we addressed only Defensive tackle in a meaningful way. And then the needs got worse at offensive line and receiver. Setting the upcoming draft aside, it seems to me we got worse instead of better so far. What do you think? I 'm beginning to think Beane is on a power rush. It's too early for him to making such eye opening decisions...he is,without a doubt a poker player and is all in on becoming the stud talent evaluator or a complete incapable bust.So far..he's playing hardball instead of playing church softball on Tuesday nights.Live by the sword..did by the sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCelticsAngelsBama Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gugny said: It's a center and a guard. I can't think of two easier positions to replace, to be honest. It's time to get younger. Naive post of the day. Further we have one good lineman and he was a rookie last year You win with. a solid off. Line. They do much that goes unnoticed. Of course I am biased because I coached that position nine of my seventeen years Edited April 10, 2018 by MOVALLEYRANDY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Maybe it is nobody's fault, but I'm getting uneasy about this off-season so far. Eric Wood suddenly retired, then Zay Jones had a breakdown on film, now Incognito retired. So 2 of 11 starters on offense are gone and 1 is questionable. This is really bad luck. Next here are Sal C's main free agent needs prior to free agency starting: (http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/capaccio-ranking-bills-five-biggest-needs-heading-free-agency) Defensive tackle, Linebacker, Wide receiver, Offensive line, Defensive end/Pass rusher. Of those 5, we addressed only Defensive tackle in a meaningful way. And then the needs got worse at offensive line and receiver. Setting the upcoming draft aside, it seems to me we got worse instead of better so far. What do you think? Where do you get 2 starters gone from ? Taylor, Woods, Incognito, plus if you figure the FA departures it's a lot more than 2 .. But last year they traded away a few so i think Mc Bean will be okay ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I would rather be "losing the offseason" with Beane and McDermott than "winning the offseason" with Rex and Whaley. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Since no games have been played the only off season measuring stick is wins vs losses in the personnel department. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not there own facts. At this point in the Bills off ‘season’ my opinion is that we’re definitely losing. We’ll see how they do in the second half...more commonly known as The Draft. Im hoping they can pull off a turn around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Last year was a feel good story for Bills fans breaking the drought. But that 5-2 start was a mirage. Somehow they were +14 in turnovers, and they won games they probably shouldn't have. The rest of the season they went 4-5 once the turnover machine went away. This will be year 2 of what I think is a 3 year rebuild (if they are sucessful). They've tossed the Whaley trash to the curb and will have a lot of cap space next year. The next 2 drafts will be epically important. This year? Meh. I think 8-8 would be a good season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Even if we have a losing season, if we draft a solid franchise QB at 12 or after a trade up, it will be worth it. We can miss during the rest of the draft but if we hit on a qb we are already in better shape cuz the position is worth the most of all 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 55 minutes ago, T master said: Where do you get 2 starters gone from ? Taylor, Woods, Incognito, plus if you figure the FA departures it's a lot more than 2 .. But last year they traded away a few so i think Mc Bean will be okay ... Good point. It is more than two. The thing is , the defensive players they brought in last did really well overall. The offensive ones didn't. Dawkins was their main claim to fame. And McD mishandled the offense as a whole. I will leave it at that, but it worries me. 1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said: I 'm beginning to think Beane is on a power rush. It's too early for him to making such eye opening decisions...he is,without a doubt a poker player and is all in on becoming the stud talent evaluator or a complete incapable bust.So far..he's playing hardball instead of playing church softball on Tuesday nights.Live by the sword..did by the sword. All I can say is I wouldn't know how to get out of the circumstance he is in now. I hope he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 3 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Maybe it is nobody's fault, but I'm getting uneasy about this off-season so far. Eric Wood suddenly retired, then Zay Jones had a breakdown on film, now Incognito retired. So 2 of 11 starters on offense are gone and 1 is questionable. This is really bad luck. Next here are Sal C's main free agent needs prior to free agency starting: (http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/capaccio-ranking-bills-five-biggest-needs-heading-free-agency) Defensive tackle, Linebacker, Wide receiver, Offensive line, Defensive end/Pass rusher. Of those 5, we addressed only Defensive tackle in a meaningful way. And then the needs got worse at offensive line and receiver. Setting the upcoming draft aside, it seems to me we got worse instead of better so far. What do you think? So far, lost some debatable but consistent starters for question marks and voids, then add surprise retirement of a stud olinemen. Offense is definitly trending the wrong way way right now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I sure miss Rex right now. I know he never brought us close to the playoffs, but we dominated the offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBills88 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Trust the "Process"! It worked in Philly It's going to work for LA Rams The Bills are next Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 4 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Maybe it is nobody's fault, but I'm getting uneasy about this off-season so far. Eric Wood suddenly retired, then Zay Jones had a breakdown on film, now Incognito retired. So 2 of 11 starters on offense are gone and 1 is questionable. This is really bad luck. Next here are Sal C's main free agent needs prior to free agency starting: (http://www.wgr550.com/articles/opinion/capaccio-ranking-bills-five-biggest-needs-heading-free-agency) Defensive tackle, Linebacker, Wide receiver, Offensive line, Defensive end/Pass rusher. Of those 5, we addressed only Defensive tackle in a meaningful way. And then the needs got worse at offensive line and receiver. Setting the upcoming draft aside, it seems to me we got worse instead of better so far. What do you think? I won't quibble with much of what you said, but I DO count Trent Murphy as a significant addressing of the Edge/DE need, especially in a year in which that position is weak in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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