gobills1212 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, dbflaBill said: At best hes bottom of round 1. Guarantee he doesnt go top 10. I don't care what any of these media types say. I listen to people that do the scouting for a living. What scouts have been telling you he won't go in the 1st?? Yikes.. 2 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said: Lets see him read some NFL defenses under pressure and then well talk. Pro days are useless. Colt Mccoy had a great pro day. But thehardtruth is at the end of the day, he was still colt McCoy. Bbbiiiggggg difference between the 2!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snamsnoops Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 20 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Going #3 is the best case scenario Kinda starting to think this way though. They have Josh and Teddy so they could be the bridge to developing J Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, dbflaBill said: Good wings here go for about $1.75-$2 a wing... But Good and Wings dont normally go in the same sentence around here. With all due respect, where are you where wings are $2 a pop AND Josh Allen isn't a rd1 qb?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said: Lets see him read some NFL defenses under pressure and then well talk. Pro days are useless. Colt Mccoy had a great pro day. Take it easy on Colt McCoy, he seems to get happiness from beating the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Pro days are designed to make guys look good. GM's and Scouts know this. The only thing that would change their draft status from a pro day is if they went out and looked completely terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 ..IF he goes #1, the Kiper "I told you so" drool will over soak his hi-heels.......... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCoBills Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thurmanator 12074 said: After watching that pro day he is the best and no one can touch that pro day. This kid is a generational talent. Bills must try and move up and get him. Lol ? I have Allen as the #5, possibly #6 overall qb because he is 6th overall in short, intermediate and deep ball accuracy of the big 6 of: Darnold, Mayfield, Rosen, Jackson, Rudolph & Allen. Edited March 23, 2018 by SoCoBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Thurmanator 12074 said: After watching that pro day he is the best and no one can touch that pro day. This kid is a generational talent. Bills must try and move up and get him. U know who else they said the very same things about Mr Jamarcus Russell so tread lightly on expectations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Why do I feel this kid is going to go the way of Jake Locker? He was another gym shorts phenom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I think Allen will be our pick. He has a lot that really impresses teams (size, arm, athleticism) and if he falls out of the top 5 I think they will view that as great value considering how some think he could go #1 overall. It's either him or Mayfield at this point. I think Rosen and Darnold are tier 1 and then Mayfield and Allen are tier 2 so right now if the best we can do is the tier 2 guys then so be it. We would have had more options if we had traded up but I don't see it happening at this point unless one of the tier 1 guys fall or if they have one of the tier 2 guys rated way higher than the other. Why trade up now if the best you can get to is 4 and you are still only going to be able to get a tier 2 guy? Unless they have Allen rated way higher than Mayfield (I definitely wouldn't) then a trade up makes no sense now. Better to wait and see how the draft plays out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, dpberr said: If it was your personal career and livelihood on the line there isn't a single person on this board who'd pick him #1-#5. He's this year's Christian Hackenberg. If arm strength was all that mattered, Hackenberg would have been a Day #1 starter for the Jets. I somewhat agree but Hack was a total statue and went into the fetal position when he felt pressure. He was limited to his big throws that i didn’t make often enough. Allen can move. Edited March 23, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorp83 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said: After watching that pro day he is the best and no one can touch that pro day. This kid is a generational talent. Bills must try and move up and get him. You do realize it's just a pro Day right? Man you should pull up my thread on "Great Breakdown on rookie prospects" there's a good link you should click on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, dbflaBill said: LOL! you're trolling right. He won't go in the first round. YOU might not like him, but he's going top10, maybe even top3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, horned dogs said: Nah! Darnold will go number 1 to Browns. He's clean. Allen requires alot of projection to be number 1. By he's clean, do you mean that nobody in division 1 college football had more fumbles and other assorted turnovers, or that NFL teams think he'll change and protect the football for the first time ever? I hope his name is called before the Bills get on the clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said: After watching that pro day he is the best and no one can touch that pro day. This kid is a generational talent. Bills must try and move up and get him. Hmm. I'm not a scout, but I didn't see anything that wowed me. Even the long ball that I saw was pretty bad. The receiver had to wait for it, and it looked like a punt. The next play I saw was a check down that was 3 feet above the receiver. I'm sure Tyrod could look awesome on a pro day too. Probably JP Losmans pro day was similar too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Christian the Noodle Ponder went at 12. Allen would need to get injured between now and the draft to fall to 12. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 9 minutes ago, kdiggz said: I think Allen will be our pick. He has a lot that really impresses teams (size, arm, athleticism) and if he falls out of the top 5 I think they will view that as great value considering how some think he could go #1 overall. It's either him or Mayfield at this point. I think Rosen and Darnold are tier 1 and then Mayfield and Allen are tier 2 so right now if the best we can do is the tier 2 guys then so be it. We would have had more options if we had traded up but I don't see it happening at this point unless one of the tier 1 guys fall or if they have one of the tier 2 guys rated way higher than the other. Why trade up now if the best you can get to is 4 and you are still only going to be able to get a tier 2 guy? Unless they have Allen rated way higher than Mayfield (I definitely wouldn't) then a trade up makes no sense now. Better to wait and see how the draft plays out I'm thinking he'll be the pick too. He has tremendous talent to wow, but just enough question marks for many teams at the top to be a bit cautious. I could see him falling past the Colts at 6 and then teams begin trying to make that next set of trades with the Bucs and other teams from 7-11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) List of NFL prospects coming out for each QBs school for 2018 and 2019. (offense only) Sam Darnold: 6 Josh Rosen: 5 Baker Mayfield: 6 Lamar Jackson: 3 Mason Rudolph: 5 Josh Allen: 0 Edited March 23, 2018 by NewDayBills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, PIZ said: Hmm. I'm not a scout, but I didn't see anything that wowed me. Even the long ball that I saw was pretty bad. The receiver had to wait for it, and it looked like a punt. The next play I saw was a check down that was 3 feet above the receiver. I'm sure Tyrod could look awesome on a pro day too. Probably JP Losmans pro day was similar too. The long ball you are talking about was like an 80 yard throw. Yeah he had to wait for it and at first i was like wtf too but you gotta put that in perspective. The tape is always and will always be where the truth lies though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Thurmanator 12074 said: You can’t teach what we just saw. It just comes natural. If he played in a dink or dunk offense he would be 68 percent completion percentage. he was always running for his life at Wyoming and had crappy receivers. You guys just don’t get it. That was what NFL teams dream of having. A pocket passer that can also move out and throw on the run if things break down. This is the QB to have bar none and it’s not even close. Fast runner, 6 foot 5, 232 ponds ready to be molded. Its as if the gods made him and sent him to earth. Now here's the thing. If you watch Allen, when he has time to set his feet properly he makes beautiful throws, where his accuracy goes to crap is when they are all over the place. Trouble for Allen was his oline was garbage and he was constantly running for his life and thus not getting his feet set properly. It's a correctable issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YodaMan79 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I somewhat agree but Hack was a total statue and went into the fetal position when he felt pressure. He was limited to his big throws that i didn’t make often enough. Allen can move. Hackenberg was also a second round pick, a lot less risk. Still a high price, but not crippling. They don't need to get cute. Too many holes on the team. Build in the trenches and draft BPA. Does this Bio look familiar: Height: 6-3 Weight: 231lbs PROS: Very strong arm that can make all the throws. Compact and quick throwing motion. Can really hurt a defense with his feet. Powerful runner who can break tackles outside the pocket. Ridiculously quick acceleration in a short area. Has good velocity on his deep outs, which is a staple NFL throw. Known as a team leader. Leads his receivers well on slants and routes that look for yards after the catch. Fantastic on the run and passing on roll outs. Has ridiculous upside as an NFL quarterback. Nearly 2,000 rushing yards and 29 rushing TD’s in his career. CONS: Actual on-field production leaves a lot to be desired, but played on a lot of bas Washington football teams. Has only been playing in a pro-style offense, previously played in the option in his first season. Still very raw as a pocket passer. Didn’t really improve much from junior to senior seasons like expected. Has had quite a few big-time stinker games. Has a career losing record, 16-25, at a position that’s directly tied to winning. Still needs working reading coverages and picking up blitzes. Who do you think this is? Hint a former #8 pick in another over hyped QB draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, YodaMan79 said: Hackenberg was also a second round pick, a lot less risk. Still a high price, but not crippling. They don't need to get cute. Too many holes on the team. Build in the trenches and draft BPA. Does this Bio look familiar: Height: 6-3 Weight: 231lbs PROS: Very strong arm that can make all the throws. Compact and quick throwing motion. Can really hurt a defense with his feet. Powerful runner who can break tackles outside the pocket. Ridiculously quick acceleration in a short area. Has good velocity on his deep outs, which is a staple NFL throw. Known as a team leader. Leads his receivers well on slants and routes that look for yards after the catch. Fantastic on the run and passing on roll outs. Has ridiculous upside as an NFL quarterback. Nearly 2,000 rushing yards and 29 rushing TD’s in his career. CONS: Actual on-field production leaves a lot to be desired, but played on a lot of bas Washington football teams. Has only been playing in a pro-style offense, previously played in the option in his first season. Still very raw as a pocket passer. Didn’t really improve much from junior to senior seasons like expected. Has had quite a few big-time stinker games. Has a career losing record, 16-25, at a position that’s directly tied to winning. Still needs working reading coverages and picking up blitzes. Who do you think this is? Hint a former #8 pick in another over hyped QB draft. Jake Locker. And also, Hack was surrounded by NFL talent, Allen has no one. Lamar Jackson actually had a putrid supporting cast as well. Half of Darnold's offense is going to get drafted, same goes for Rosen and Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Sure you still want him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Misterbluesky said: Peterman had 5 completions in the snow game¡!!!!?????????ALSO...Dan Marino struggled here for example. Peterman looked quite well in that snow game given the circumstances, before he got KO'd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 minute ago, PIZ said: Sure you still want him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Kid has a great agent that’s for sure 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 30 minutes ago, DrDare said: Peterman looked quite well in that snow game given the circumstances, before he got KO'd He did, from what I could see 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 Did anyone else hear Mayock cream himself multiple times? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THEHARDTRUTH Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, gobills1212 said: What scouts have been telling you he won't go in the 1st?? Yikes.. But thehardtruth is at the end of the day, he was still colt McCoy. Bbbiiiggggg difference between the 2!! Not really. Inaccurate under pressure is inaccurate under pressure whether you have a cannon or a noodle arm. Still inaccurate. Not gonna cut it in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holla83 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) Great arm and great athlete. But why did he only complete 56% of his passes in the Mountain West? I really don't watch much college football, so this is just an honest question. Edited March 23, 2018 by holla83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 hours ago, NewEraBills said: Here's the thing. I'm not saying he's a great prospect to be taking in the top 5. I just think the desperation for QB's by Cleveland NYJ Buff Arizona Miami Possibly Denver Possibly NYG LA Chargers - life after Rivers Steelers - Life after Ben Saints - Life after Brees You have teams trying to set up for the future and some teams just needing a QB really bad. They are going to overdraft. If you have not seen this pattern in the draft when it comes to QBs I have no idea what to say. QB by far is the most overdrafted position where guys go well beyond what their tape indicates because GMs believe that its the most pivotal position in the game so they will be willing to overreach. With that many teams looking at the QB position there is no way he doesn't get taken in the 1st round. But the supply vs the demand at the top almost solidifies him as a top 10 pick. I think Baltimore should be on the list too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I think Baltimore should be on the list too I thought about them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 4 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I think Baltimore should be on the list too New England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 I'm surprised so many Buffalo people are high on this kid considering how often a certain segment is opposed to any QBs from California. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, THEHARDTRUTH said: Not really. Inaccurate under pressure is inaccurate under pressure whether you have a cannon or a noodle arm. Still inaccurate. Not gonna cut it in the NFL. I dont even necessarily disagree...but not even close to what I was arguing. Edited March 23, 2018 by gobills1212 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: New England? I wouldn’t be surprised if they take a QB, but I don’t think it’ll be in the first round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: New England? Good point. They won't be in range for Allen but they are certainly going to take a QB at some point. Falk is often talked about in relation to them as a day 2 guy they could target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly101 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 (edited) bills will end up with leftovers at qb. Might as well start with the peterman vs mccarron arguments. That should keep fans bickering for at least 2 seasons until next regime steps in. omg....this also means non stop should have kept tt posts everyday NOOOOOOOOOOOOO Edited March 23, 2018 by Kelly101 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I wouldn’t be surprised if they take a QB, but I don’t think it’ll be in the first round True, the 2nd tier guys in round 2-3. 7 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: Good point. They won't be in range for Allen but they are certainly going to take a QB at some point. Falk is often talked about in relation to them as a day 2 guy they could target. Here's one of the articles I read recently about NE and a QB pick. https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2018/03/02/quarterbacks-patriots-could-draft-tom-brady-backup-2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 1 hour ago, frostbitmic said: By he's clean, do you mean that nobody in division 1 college football had more fumbles and other assorted turnovers, or that NFL teams think he'll change and protect the football for the first time ever? I hope his name is called before the Bills get on the clock. Straight quotes I've seen from NFL scouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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