Sal .C: Giants Really Like Darnold

[Chuck Wagon]

11 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I think the Giants have too many needs and would rather have 12 and 22 from the Bills.

 

 

That's where I fall too.  I think they aren't ready to toss out Davis Webb as well.  It's possible they view one of these QBs as too good to pass up and take him if he's there, but I think the Mara's respect Eli too much to take a QB this year.  I really think Nelson is the guy they want but they know they can get him later than 2.  That's where Denver really worries me.  However, I could see us making an offer Denver can't, then the Giants giving some of that back to get Nelson at 6 or 7.

 

If I had to bet right now, I say the draft goes:

 

1) Darnold - Browns

2) Rosen or Allen - Bills

3) Rosen or Allen - Jets

4) Barkley - Browns

5) Baker - Broncos

6) Chubb - Colts

7) Nelson - Giants

 

 

Basically the Giants could take 12 / 22 / 2019 1st / 53 from us, then turn around and flip 12 / 53 to get back to 6  or 7.  Giants get the guy they really want, plus 22 plus 2019 1st.

[DFT]

Just now, Virgil said:

Why would the Browns trade back to the Giants if they want Darnold?

 

Hey fans, we didn’t get our highest rated QB, but we got an extra second!  

 

The factory of sadness wins again!

 

Read this in Morgan Freeman’s voice...

”And as he sat there, rocking slowly back and forth in his chair, pondering the very question he had asked aloud, the very ponder had been answered, amidst the question he had asked.  “The Browns”, he said aloud.  And my, how a smile shined upon his face. Titty sprinkles.”

[Chuck Wagon]

10 minutes ago, DFT said:

 

Read this in Morgan Freeman’s voice...

”And as he sat there, rocking slowly back and forth in his chair, pondering the very question he had asked aloud, the very ponder had been answered, amidst the question he had asked.  “The Browns”, he said aloud.  And my, how a smile shined upon his face. Titty sprinkles.”

 

 

You win.

[Radar]

20 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

I think the Giants have too many needs and would rather have 12 and 22 from the Bills.

I wonder if you are thinking logically or wishful in your thinking. My personal thinking (logically) is the Giants would not rather have 12 and 22.

[BuffaloRebound]

30 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

I fully expect the Dolphins to take Jackson at 12 if they don't trade up for Baker.

 

Schefter was very specific about the price for #2 ( #12 / #22 / 2019 1st and maybe one of the 2nds) today here in Columbus.  That's a win on the value chart for the Giants and a trade we can make without feeling like we sacrificed our future (or even present).  It's also very difficult for any other team to match.

 

If I'm the Giants, I absolutely want a 1st next year if I pass on a QB this year.  If I'm the Bills, three 1st rounders is all I'm giving up.  If Giants want next years 1st, which could be a top 5 pick, no way I'm throwing in anything else.  

[Chuck Wagon]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

If I'm the Giants, I absolutely want a 1st next year if I pass on a QB this year.  If I'm the Bills, three 1st rounders is all I'm giving up.  If Giants want next years 1st, which could be a top 5 pick, no way I'm throwing in anything else.  

 

This is all well and good, but if you want the QB and the Giants say "we want #12 / #22 / 2019 1st, plus #53" pick #53 is not going to be the reason you turn it down.

[Kemp]

1 hour ago, wppete said:

We will end up with Josh Allen or Baker Mayfield. 

 

I hope it's not Allen. Now, he's going to work on his footwork?

 

Had enough QBs with accuracy issues. Would be a pleasant change to have an accurate QB.

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

This is all well and good, but if you want the QB and the Giants say "we want #12 / #22 / 2019 1st, plus #53" pick #53 is not going to be the reason you turn it down.

 

You have to have your line in the sand on the most you'd give up and that's mine.  I'd give up both 2nds this year instead of next years 1.  With McCarron and a rookie at QB, winning 8 games would be a small miracle.  More likely this is a 5-6 win team probably worse.  I'll keep all my picks and go with Jackson or one of the top 4 who slips.  

[Chuck Wagon]

11 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

You have to have your line in the sand on the most you'd give up and that's mine.  I'd give up both 2nds this year instead of next years 1.  With McCarron and a rookie at QB, winning 8 games would be a small miracle.  More likely this is a 5-6 win team probably worse.  I'll keep all my picks and go with Jackson or one of the top 4 who slips.  

 

I completely agree the 2019 1st is what I want to hold on to, but I don't think it's realistic.

[Richard Noggin]

1 hour ago, DFT said:

You must have been an incredible presence of joy at Major Magic’s when you were a child.   

You mean Showbiz Pizza?!

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

1 hour ago, Bangarang said:

I’m bracing myself for Browns, Giants and Jets to take QBs at 1, 2 and 3.

Odds are 3 QB's are going with the 1st 3 picks. 

[BuffaloRebound]

4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

I completely agree the 2019 1st is what I want to hold on to, but I don't think it's realistic.

 

I don't either, as Giants will want a 1st next year, but they're not getting more than three 1sts if I'm Beane.  Giants can take Barkley at 3, win 10 games next year, and try to find Eli's eventual replacement next year with the 23rd pick in the draft.  Or they can take Roquan Smith at 12, Derrius Guice at 22, still win 10 games and have the 23rd and 7th pick overall next year.  

[Doc Brown]

I hope Beane is starting operation Get Mayfield Arrested.

[LedyardCTbillsfan]

2 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

Odds are 3 QB's are going with the 1st 3 picks. 

Long as Allen is one of them then we would still be  in decent shape and it would be a bonus if he went to the Jets.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

3 minutes ago, LedyardCTbillsfan said:

Long as Allen is one of them then we would still be  in decent shape and it would be a bonus if he went to the Jets.

I think its going to be Darnold, Rosen, Mayfield. 1,2,3, no doubt about it.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Estro]

I've actually thought Darnold is the reason the Giants aren't willing to trade out of #2 yet.  I don't think they know for sure who the Browns are taking yet, and if they indeed pass on darnold they will run to the podium to select Darnold.  All signs point to Darnold to the Browns at #1, but some people still think Josh Allen might be the guy at #1.  

 

Which brings me to a scenario, nobody has talked about.  If the Browns are pretty even on Allen and Darnold, maybe if the Giants offer the 2nd overall pick and let's say their 2nd round pick or next yrs 2nd round pick, maybe the Browns entertain that idea.  In order for the Browns to accept that trade down I thibnk they'd almost have to slightly favor Allen, which maybe they will come draft day.

 

If the Browns go the other way, stand pat and select Darnold, I think the #2 pick goes to the highest bidder, and I'd expect the most likely suitors to be in order of likelihood:

 

1. Broncos

2. Bills

3. Cardinals

 

I thinks the Broncos hold better chips than us because the Giants will love only having to go to #5, ensuring they get Barkley, Nelson or Chubb worst case scenario, and still picking up the Broncos 2nd rounder this yr. and probably an additional mid round pick next yr.

 

Bottom line the Bills are going to have to sell the farm to get to #2, and yes it will involve both #1's this yr. and next yrs. #1.  Anyone who thinks we won't have to touch next yrs. #1 is kidding themselves.  It's why the more I think about it the more I don't want to do it.  #4 and #6 which will be much cheaper spots to move up to, the question is will any QB's the Bills like be left at that point......maybe not.

 

This draft is going to be insane!  Pure entertainment and drama , thats for sure!

[Seventeen]

51 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

 

If I'm the Giants, I absolutely want a 1st next year if I pass on a QB this year.  If I'm the Bills, three 1st rounders is all I'm giving up.  If Giants want next years 1st, which could be a top 5 pick, no way I'm throwing in anything else.  

 

Except the QB class of 2019 is not shaping up like this year's ... so why not take Rosen now ? 

[SWATeam]

1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

That's where I fall too.  I think they aren't ready to toss out Davis Webb as well.  It's possible they view one of these QBs as too good to pass up and take him if he's there, but I think the Mara's respect Eli too much to take a QB this year.  I really think Nelson is the guy they want but they know they can get him later than 2.  That's where Denver really worries me.  However, I could see us making an offer Denver can't, then the Giants giving some of that back to get Nelson at 6 or 7.

 

If I had to bet right now, I say the draft goes:

 

1) Darnold - Browns

2) Rosen or Allen - Bills

3) Rosen or Allen - Jets

4) Barkley - Browns

5) Baker - Broncos

6) Chubb - Colts

7) Nelson - Giants

 

 

Basically the Giants could take 12 / 22 / 2019 1st / 53 from us, then turn around and flip 12 / 53 to get back to 6  or 7.  Giants get the guy they really want, plus 22 plus 2019 1st.

Very likely scenario IMO

[Chuck Wagon]

13 minutes ago, Estro said:

I've actually thought Darnold is the reason the Giants aren't willing to trade out of #2 yet.  I don't think they know for sure who the Browns are taking yet, and if they indeed pass on darnold they will run to the podium to select Darnold.  All signs point to Darnold to the Browns at #1, but some people still think Josh Allen might be the guy at #1.  

 

Which brings me to a scenario, nobody has talked about.  If the Browns are pretty even on Allen and Darnold, maybe if the Giants offer the 2nd overall pick and let's say their 2nd round pick or next yrs 2nd round pick, maybe the Browns entertain that idea.  In order for the Browns to accept that trade down I thibnk they'd almost have to slightly favor Allen, which maybe they will come draft day.

 

If the Browns go the other way, stand pat and select Darnold, I think the #2 pick goes to the highest bidder, and I'd expect the most likely suitors to be in order of likelihood:

 

1. Broncos

2. Bills

3. Cardinals

 

I thinks the Broncos hold better chips than us because the Giants will love only having to go to #5, ensuring they get Barkley, Nelson or Chubb worst case scenario, and still picking up the Broncos 2nd rounder this yr. and probably an additional mid round pick next yr.

 

Bottom line the Bills are going to have to sell the farm to get to #2, and yes it will involve both #1's this yr. and next yrs. #1.  Anyone who thinks we won't have to touch next yrs. #1 is kidding themselves.  It's why the more I think about it the more I don't want to do it.  #4 and #6 which will be much cheaper spots to move up to, the question is will any QB's the Bills like be left at that point......maybe not.

 

This draft is going to be insane!  Pure entertainment and drama , thats for sure!

 

I think Denver is fine with Baker and keeping their picks.  Their coaching staff had him at the Senior Bowl and he's a similar player to Keenum.

[PIZ]

 

[KDIGGZ]

There's good news and bad news here. The good news is if the Giants want Darnold then too bad because Cleveland is taking him at 1 so they might be more inclined to trade out if the player they want is gone. The bad news is they will not trade until it's confirmed that Darnold is off the board on draft night so we are going to be freaking out wondering what is going on all the way until April 26 with the Giants on the clock. I don't know if I can wait that long. The anticipation is killing me!

[TigerJ]

2 hours ago, Bangarang said:

I’m bracing myself for Browns, Giants and Jets to take QBs at 1, 2 and 3.

Unfortunately, it's sounding like a distinct possibility.  Should that happen, then the Bills have to be wondering about the possibility that the Dolphins are interested ina QB, and/or another team trades up about #12.  Do they spend draft choices to trade up to get the fourth best QB in the draft, if three get drafted in the top 4?

[LedyardCTbillsfan]

4 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

There's good news and bad news here. The good news is if the Giants want Darnold then too bad because Cleveland is taking him at 1 so they might be more inclined to trade out if the player they want is gone. The bad news is they will not trade until it's confirmed that Darnold is off the board on draft night so we are going to be freaking out wondering what is going on all the way until April 26 with the Giants on the clock. I don't know if I can wait that long. The anticipation is killing me!

I agree I honestly believe they have a deal in place that is contingent on who the Browns pick, and if the Browns announce their selection beforehand, we could see a pre-draft trade.

[Perk71]

2 hours ago, Batman1876 said:

Have you called the Bills and told them all their scouts are wrong about Rosen? you could save the day!

I hope they don't take Rosen.  Anybody but him please Bills!

[Misterbluesky]

2 hours ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said:

Sal mentioned on his appearance this afternoon hearing chatter from Schefter about the Giants really liking Darnold take it for what it is.

 

This is 5 weeks out! Lol

I feel this offseason so far has been more crazier than the usual soccer crazy season.

Sal is grasping at air now...The Daily News and the insiders on SNY are all in on Rosen.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said:

Found it interesting that a couple reporters today started dropping the info about Rosen's double concussions last season and his parents both being Physicians.  Someone could certainly be trying to drop his value.

 

interesting point.  The concussions are concerning, however.  

[Awwufelloff]

They should, he's by far the best QB in this draft. 

[RyanC883]

23 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

Unfortunately, it's sounding like a distinct possibility.  Should that happen, then the Bills have to be wondering about the possibility that the Dolphins are interested ina QB, and/or another team trades up about #12.  Do they spend draft choices to trade up to get the fourth best QB in the draft, if three get drafted in the top 4?

 

Good question.  I guess it depends on who the #4 QB is, and where he is ranked on the Bills board.  For the Bills, the "4th best" could be the guy they have at #1.   

[The Jokeman]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The Browns know the key to their future is QB. They are not taking Barkley at #1. 

Barkley's been compared to Thomlinson passing on a talent that tough not to mention they can still get a QB at 4. I've mentioned it before but look at what Dorsey did in KC, he drafted a QB with a cannon of an arm and legs. I think they go Barkley #1 and Josh Allen #4.

[YoloinOhio]

2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

Schefter is pretty funny with the guys here (Bobby Carpenter and Anthony Rothman - a radio guy).  They do a weekly Wednesday spot with him and he doesn't really pull many punches when the guys here are off base.  The guys here said "the Bills love McCarron and could be fine letting things fall to them" and Schefter basically laughed at them, said McCarron is only here because there was no where else to go and said that's not what's going to happen.

I love his Wednesday segment and missed it today (high level meeting), thanks for the recap 

[26CornerBlitz]

5 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Barkley's been compared to Thomlinson passing on a talent that tough not to mention they can still get a QB at 4. I've mentioned it before but look at what Dorsey did in KC, he drafted a QB with a cannon of an arm and legs. I think they go Barkley #1 and Josh Allen #4.

 

I say as I have posted before.  Le'Veon Bell was a 2nd round pick, Kareem Hunt was a 3rd round pick, and Alvin Kamara was also a 3rd round pick.  Beyond that the 2018 draft is loaded at RB and the Browns could very well get him at #4. . 

Edited March 22, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Doc]

9 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

They should, he's by far the best QB in this draft. 

 

I think he'll be a bust.  We'll see in another 2 to 3 years.

[DFT]

22 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Sal is grasping at air now...The Daily News and the insiders on SNY are all in on Rosen.

Sal doesn’t grasp at air.  Air grasps at Sal!!!  ?

[The Jokeman]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I say as I have before.  Le'Veon Bell was a 2nd round pick, Kareem Hunt was a 3rd round pick, and Alvin Kamara was also a 3rd round pick.  Beyond that the 2018 draft is loaded at RB and the Browns could very well get him at #4. . 

The only way he falls is if Giants pass on him and not sure they would as taking a QB with Eli starting makes little sense if looking to improve in 2018. 

[Chuck Wagon]

14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I love his Wednesday segment and missed it today (high level meeting), thanks for the recap 

 

 

I thoroughly enjoy it.  They ask ridiculous off base questions (I remember a couple of years ago they asked Schefter if the Giants would give the Browns a 2nd round pick to flip flop draft picks in round 1) and Schefter's tone is straight up "come on guys, I'm doing you a favor, I don't have time for this nonsense".

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

I thoroughly enjoy it.  They ask ridiculous off base questions (I remember a couple of years ago they asked Schefter if the Giants would give the Browns a 2nd round pick to flip flop draft picks in round 1) and Schefter's tone is straight up "come on guys, I'm doing you a favor, I don't have time for this nonsense".

He was so impatient last year when they asked him every single week if the Pats were going to trade Jimmy G to the Browns. He’s like “Guys, for the last time, they are.not.trading.jimmy.garoppolo. Underline. Highlight it. Not happening.”

 

he was as shocked as anyone else that they did but admitted that was why there was some issue going on with the Pats because even his source was incredulous that it happened and it was out of the blue.

[Jay_Fixit]

22 minutes ago, DFT said:

Sal doesn’t grasp at air.  Air grasps at Sal!!!  ?

I could see us enjoying some calimari over a nice bottle of white.

[YoloinOhio]

1 minute ago, Jay_Fixit said:

I could see us enjoying some calimari over a nice bottle of white.

[BuffaloBillyG]

3 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Browns are gonna take Darnold. Take it to the bank.