Time for Beane to Call Gettleman - Beane Says the Bills Have the Capital to Get to #2

[Reed83HOF]

Tre White should be on the block too...

[bobobonators]

7 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said:

How dare you make sense!? You sir are a trouble maker with your forward thinking.

The Giants drafting the best RB prospect at #2 since Adrian Peterson is also making sense; especially if they think Eli can give them 2 more years. 

[Fetou]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Tre White should be on the block too...

 

Why?

[CuddyDark]

1 minute ago, Fetou said:

 

Why?

Because WGR told them the only thing that matter is QB.

[Wayne Cubed]

3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

I've said the same thing consistently.

 

No, you haven’t.

 

Your first comment was about them wanting to trade to 12 for their guy, that that’s been the target all along. Now your taking about how they rank the top 15 or 12.

 

How the heck does Beane know for a fact, enough to give up a LT and draft capital, that their guy will be there at 12? What if he’s not? There are 11 other teams picking in front of the Bills.

[#34fan]

 

DON'T chase the rabbit Beane!

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, Fetou said:

 

Why?

QB>>CB and any other position for that matter

 

If picks aren't enough and you need to give talent up - all should be on the block

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Because WGR told them the only thing that matter is QB.

no the last 22 years without a QB has provided us more then enough data to show that QB trumps all...

[LABILLBACKER]

4 hours ago, jrober38 said:

I agree. 

 

If we have to give up both first, both seconds, and next year's first, I'd do it. 

 

The Bills have plenty of ammo to trade up - just depends on if they'll pull the trigger. 

jrob....thats too much...for Peyton manning or Andrew luck, yes. For Rosen or Mayfield,  no.

[Fetou]

Just now, Reed83HOF said:

QB>>CB and any other position for that matter

 

If picks aren't enough and you need to give talent up - all should be on the block

Tre White is one of the only top-end franchise value players that the Bills have. CB is one of those positions that needs a cornerstone player, that is worth a massive contract. We have a young, top-end performer on a cheap rookie deal. In the NFL, you don't trade those types of players for picks.

[Beast]

10 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

Based on the price the Jets paid to move up 3 picks, the Giants are well within their right to ask for our 2 firsts and second rounder this year, and next year’s first, to move up from 12 to 2. 

 

If theyre THAT into a QB than its worth it. But if theyre split between a couple of QB’s then its not. 

 

A QB will be there at 12. 

 

Yep.

 

Reminds me of 2004.

 

Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger go. The Bills refused to pay Houston what they wanted to move up ahead of Pittsburgh to take Big Ben because there was another guy we could take.

 

That worked well.

 

 

[N.Y. Orangeman]

10 minutes ago, bobobonators said:

 

 

 

 

Without a franchise QB, you have a limited chance of sustained success in the NFL.  Give up the farm to move up and let Beane continue to earn his reputation in filling out the hole such a move creates.

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, Fetou said:

Tre White is one of the only top-end franchise value players that the Bills have. CB is one of those positions that needs a cornerstone player, that is worth a massive contract. We have a young, top-end performer on a cheap rookie deal. In the NFL, you don't trade those types of players for picks.

It is for #2 or #1 to grab a top shelf QB....

 

Can always buy a corner with our $100 million next year; cannot buy a franchise QB

2 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Yep.

 

Reminds me of 2004.

 

Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger go. The Bills refused to pay Houston what they wanted to move up ahead of Pittsburgh to take Big Ben because there was another guy we could take.

 

That worked well.

 

 

Exactly. Those who don't study history are doomed to repeat it...You don't F around with QB

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Yep.

 

Reminds me of 2004.

 

Manning, Rivers and Roethlisberger go. The Bills refused to pay Houston what they wanted to move up ahead of Pittsburgh to take Big Ben because there was another guy we could take.

 

That worked well.

 

 

 

What was the real failure: trading up for JP, or not drafting another first round QB for 9 years?

 

Be aggressive; get it wrong in perpetuity until you get it right 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Two things are going to happen now

 

1- We move to 2 now. As in literally today or tomorrow and we reset this thing and the Jets are back in a bad spot. We again look great and will have either Rosen or Darnold

 

or

 

2- We wait and another team jumps up to 2 that will not trade out with us. Then we will completely screwed over but then play it off like none of these QBs are that good. We will settle for some low level trash like we did with JP and EJ. We will force that guy in and some point and just waste another few years. Move up now! Today was bad.

 

 

[Rico]

2 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Two things are going to happen now

 

1- We move to 2 now. As in literally today or tomorrow and we reset this thing and the Jets are back in a bad spot. We again look great and will have either Rosen or Darnold

 

or

 

2- We wait and another team jumps up to 2 that will not trade out with us. Then we will completely screwed over but then play it off like none of these QBs are that good. We will settle for some low level trash like we did with JP and EJ. We will force that guy in and some point and just waste another few years. Move up now! Today was bad.

 

 

I vote for #1.

[Meatplow]

4 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

There is no advantage for the Bills in waiting. Literally zero. The sooner the better and cheaper. Do it today before a team like Miami or Denver gets there. Then we are done. There is no possible reason to wait.

There absolutely is a reason to wait.  Say they already have a gentlemens agreement with the Giants that depends on what the Browns do at #1?!

[Reed83HOF]

3 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Two things are going to happen now

 

1- We move to 2 now. As in literally today or tomorrow and we reset this thing and the Jets are back in a bad spot. We again look great and will have either Rosen or Darnold

 

or

 

2- We wait and another team jumps up to 2 that will not trade out with us. Then we will completely screwed over but then play it off like none of these QBs are that good. We will settle for some low level trash like we did with JP and EJ. We will force that guy in and some point and just waste another few years. Move up now! Today was bad.

 

 

Shhouldn't even be a choice...go to 2 now

[Fetou]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Shhouldn't even be a choice...go to 2 now

It is definitely a choice. You never handicap yourself into a corner. The Jets just blew up the market for the top picks. We are way beyond what the Eagles gave up in value to get Wentz.

 

I have been a proponent of trading up, but things have changed dramatically now.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Fetou

[BillsVet]

Whatever happened to "trust the process?" Not seeing immediate action doesn't translate to them sitting on their hands. 

 

I've never seen so much QB angst here. Still, there's no way OBD isn't aware they need a top level QB for next season and beyond. Worrying about it won't improve anything. 

 

 

[JoeF]

Beane likely has to make two moves if the Bills want "their guy" if there is a "their guy".  Gettleman won't want to drop all the way to 12.   Beane knows this and likely has the structure in place to make both deals.

 

Offer Tampa 1-12, 2-21 and 3-32 for 1-7 -- this is a 12% overpayment.

 

Offer NY Giants - 1-7, 1-22, and the topper, 1-2019 for 1-2.  This represents a 26% overpayment if you calculate next year's #1 at 1000 points and Vegas oddsmakers are expecting the Bills to regress and finish in the bottom quartile.

 

Bills still have 2-24 and 3-1.

 

Beane said something interesting yesterday.  He said patience is the key ...they let the UFA QB market play out and ended up getting McCarron on the cheap.  Let everyone else make their moves and see what plays out in the draft.  Make the Tampa trade late to scare the pants off everyone else.  Bills have an advantage because none of the other teams have second first rounder this year to deal so he will be in good position and then see how the draft plays out.   Be willing to part with next year's #1 because that's what you do if you are convinced that you are getting a franchise QB and take solace in the fact that you have a ton of cap space next year to fill any 2019 holes. 

 

Bills will never be in a better position than this year.  This team is on the rise and the floor is likely not drafting in the top 10 for the near future.  I have confidence he will get this done. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Now that they Jets are feeling all good about their prospects, wouldn’t it be glorious to jump in front of them at the last minute and steal their guy?!?! They’’d never admit it, of course.... “we got our guy”, but how great would that be? A guy can dream....

 

Not if we have to give up three 1st rounders

[wppete]

4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

The Bills should make every effort to jump up to the #2 pick to get their guy. 

 

Hurry up and make the call before some other team beats us to the punch. 

[Paulus]

4 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I obviously don't believe that to be the case. 

But, it is possible, right?

 

That said, if I had to bet, I'd bet on a trade with the Giants for the #2.

[CuddyDark]

37 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said:

 

No, you haven’t.

 

Your first comment was about them wanting to trade to 12 for their guy, that that’s been the target all along. Now your taking about how they rank the top 15 or 12.

 

How the heck does Beane know for a fact, enough to give up a LT and draft capital, that their guy will be there at 12? What if he’s not? There are 11 other teams picking in front of the Bills.

Because you said their guy won't make 12. I asked how do you know who their guy is and you've been on a ramble since.

[26CornerBlitz]

13 minutes ago, Paulus said:

But, it is possible, right?

 

That said, if I had to bet, I'd bet on a trade with the Giants for the #2.

 

I wouldn't bet on it, but I hope they can pull it off. 

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

 

Not if we have to give up three 1st rounders

 

I know this is just me justifying it in my own mind, but I look at #22 as kind of a freebie since we traded back and still got a stud in Tre. So it’s not “really” three 1sts if you play that little game in your mind.  Regardless, if you “know” (the best you can) that a guy is a Franchise QB, I’d do it. You don’t reach the promised land without that QB. 

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, purple haze said:

They were dangling Cordy last season.  By accounts of those covering the team he was a good bet not to be on the roster this season.

 

I dont disagree.   But there is still a hole created by his departure.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Augie said:

 

I know this is just me justifying it in my own mind, but I look at #22 as kind of a freebie since we traded back and still got a stud in Tre. So it’s not “really” three 1sts if you play that little game in your mind.  Regardless, if you “know” (the best you can) that a guy is a Franchise QB, I’d do it. You don’t reach the promised land without that QB. 

 

If the trade back doesn't yield the QB we have all been waiting for it's all for naught. 

[Wayne Cubed]

3 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Because you said their guy won't make 12. I asked how do you know who their guy is and you've been on a ramble since.

 

Because what? You’re losing me here and not making much sense. I didn’t say their guy wouldn’t be their at 12.

 

Again, you’ve said maybe their guy they want is at 12 and that that’s why they moved there. I said that would mean that Beane thinks he’s smarter than everyone else. And that’s dumb.

 

You havent been able to defend that position and still haven’t explained how Beane knows his guy will be there at 12.

[CuddyDark]

Just now, Wayne Cubed said:

 

Because what? You’re losing me here and not making much sense. I didn’t say their guy wouldn’t be their at 12.

 

Again, you’ve said maybe their guy they want is at 12 and that that’s why they moved there. I said that would mean that Beane thinks he’s smarter than everyone else. And that’s dumb.

 

You havent been able to defend that position and still haven’t explained how Beane knows his guy will be there at 12.

Again why does that make him smarter than everyone else? These are your assumptions. Teams make their own mocks. I'm sure they have a player they want at 12 if they stay at 12.

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

If the trade back doesn't yield the QB we have all been waiting for it's all for naught. 

 

I never dreamed the Jets might have a plan, but I had assumed this was the basic tenet at the core of what we are doing. I don’t think that has changed. I just hope we nail the choice! It’s always a crap shoot no matter where you pick. Be wise and choose well. 

[Wayne Cubed]

2 minutes ago, CuddyDark said:

Again why does that make him smarter than everyone else? These are your assumptions. Teams make their own mocks. I'm sure they have a player they want at 12 if they stay at 12.

 

Im not assuming anything! You are. You assume he has a player he wants at 12. I’ve said if that is the case than he thinks he’s smarter than everyone else, because there is no way of knowing he can actually draft that player. He doesn’t know who is going to be drafted 1-11 therefore he can’t say, yes I’ll definitely get player XX at 12. And if he does think that, that’s dumb. 

 

I can’t explain it any more simplistically, I’m sorry.

 

im going to have to bow out now.

[Paulus]

25 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I wouldn't bet on it, but I hope they can pull it off. 

"If I had to bet."

 

Idk, I have a feeling they are more likely than not to make the trade with the Giants. I won't be suprised if they didn't, but I think trading for the #2 has been in the works for some time.

[dave mcbride]

3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

I'm certain of QB selections at 1 and 3.  Not as much for the #2 slot although I can see a case for it.  The recents moves of the Giants gives me pause on them taking a QB. 

Agreed. This past season was very fluky - in a bad way - for the Giants.  I think the 2016 team is the real one. OBJ is gonna come back at 100 percent, Solder is a huge upgrade, and they have defensive talent. They need a back,  a TE, and interior linemen. They also only have 5 picks. Eli can still play. When I watch him, he looks. Like EXACTLY the same player he was in 2011.

59 minutes ago, JoeF said:

Beane likely has to make two moves if the Bills want "their guy" if there is a "their guy".  Gettleman won't want to drop all the way to 12.   Beane knows this and likely has the structure in place to make both deals.

 

Offer Tampa 1-12, 2-21 and 3-32 for 1-7 -- this is a 12% overpayment.

 

Offer NY Giants - 1-7, 1-22, and the topper, 1-2019 for 1-2.  This represents a 26% overpayment if you calculate next year's #1 at 1000 points and Vegas oddsmakers are expecting the Bills to regress and finish in the bottom quartile.

 

Bills still have 2-24 and 3-1.

 

Beane said something interesting yesterday.  He said patience is the key ...they let the UFA QB market play out and ended up getting McCarron on the cheap.  Let everyone else make their moves and see what plays out in the draft.  Make the Tampa trade late to scare the pants off everyone else.  Bills have an advantage because none of the other teams have second first rounder this year to deal so he will be in good position and then see how the draft plays out.   Be willing to part with next year's #1 because that's what you do if you are convinced that you are getting a franchise QB and take solace in the fact that you have a ton of cap space next year to fill any 2019 holes. 

 

Bills will never be in a better position than this year.  This team is on the rise and the floor is likely not drafting in the top 10 for the near future.  I have confidence he will get this done. 

Good analysis.

[26CornerBlitz]

Mike Rodak
Jets box out Bills in quarterback race by trading up to No. 3
With the Jets nabbing the draft's No. 3 pick, the Bills will have to pay a hefty price if they intend to jump their rival and grab their preferred QB.

Your move, Buffalo Bills.

The New York Jets got an almost six-week jump on the Bills before April's draft, trading the No. 6 overall pick and three second-round selections (two in 2018 and one in 2019) to the Indianapolis Colts for the No. 3 overall pick.

[oldmanfan]

It is Rodak being a moron again.  How you can say the Bills are boxed out then in the next sentence say they can move to 2 and call yourself a journalist is absurd

[Alphadawg7]

I find it interesting that everyone seems to think the Giants are a lock to take a QB at #2 because they think they have to.  Then those same people also think they are willing trade down partners.  Seems contradictory thinking.

 

If Giants are locked in on a QB they wont trade the pick.  If they aren't taking a QB, which I dont think they will personally and will instead make one more push with Eli, then that actually decreases the reason to even trade to 2.  There is no one left trying to get to 2 for sure, in fact, the only alleged team that would probably still want to is the Bills.  But why should they?  If no one else is trading to 2 then quite possible only 2 QB's are going in top 10 unless someone outside the top 10 trades up (Cle and Jets).

 

Broncos did not need to sign Keenum to that contract if they are taking a QB at 5.  They had 2 bridge QB's on the roster already for cheaper.  Seems to me (and Elway said so too) signed Keenum to start and try and get that team back in the postseason now before the window closes any further.

 

Just my 2 cents

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, oldmanfan said:

It is Rodak being a moron again.  How you can say the Bills are boxed out then in the next sentence say they can move to 2 and call yourself a journalist is absurd

 

The headline refers to pick #3 which calls for another move.  He's right.

[Hurricane]

1 hour ago, JoeF said:

Beane likely has to make two moves if the Bills want "their guy" if there is a "their guy".  Gettleman won't want to drop all the way to 12.   Beane knows this and likely has the structure in place to make both deals.

 

Offer Tampa 1-12, 2-21 and 3-32 for 1-7 -- this is a 12% overpayment.

 

Offer NY Giants - 1-7, 1-22, and the topper, 1-2019 for 1-2.  This represents a 26% overpayment if you calculate next year's #1 at 1000 points and Vegas oddsmakers are expecting the Bills to regress and finish in the bottom quartile.

 

Bills still have 2-24 and 3-1.

 

Beane said something interesting yesterday.  He said patience is the key ...they let the UFA QB market play out and ended up getting McCarron on the cheap.  Let everyone else make their moves and see what plays out in the draft.  Make the Tampa trade late to scare the pants off everyone else.  Bills have an advantage because none of the other teams have second first rounder this year to deal so he will be in good position and then see how the draft plays out.   Be willing to part with next year's #1 because that's what you do if you are convinced that you are getting a franchise QB and take solace in the fact that you have a ton of cap space next year to fill any 2019 holes. 

 

Bills will never be in a better position than this year.  This team is on the rise and the floor is likely not drafting in the top 10 for the near future.  I have confidence he will get this done. 

Solid....

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

The headline refers to pick #3 which calls for another move.  He's right.

The Bills are not boxed out.  It's dumb to say so