PromoTheRobot Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Kevin @KevinMassare On Monday, Eric Wood will cost more to cut then to keep. They will have to keep him and IR him when that becomes open. I except this to last into June and beyond, unless Eric agrees to something. Kevin @KevinMassare Replying to @QuinnsterX We are paying him more to be retired. A really poor time for an extension last year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Come on man, they couldn't have known about his injury. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 This guy knows nothing. They are fighting signing bonus right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Eric has been a class act ever since arriving in Buffalo. Hope something can be worked out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Ittakestime said: This guy knows nothing. They are fighting signing bonus right now. And you know what? Cause I've actually gotten information from Massare's twitter account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, ndirish1978 said: And you know what? Cause I've actually gotten information from Massare's twitter account. Just trust me on this. It's a pending legal case so it's hush, hush. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Cant they cut him and "post june first" him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Just trust me on this. It's a pending legal case so it's hush, hush. It is not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Just trust me on this. It's a pending legal case so it's hush, hush. That would make sense, although it's probably not a legal case but a motion with the NFLPA to claw back the signing bonus so it doesn't kick in the cap. Best outcome is to clawback the bonus and hire him for Pegula Entertainment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, aristocrat said: It is not Correct. He will be a post June 1 designation and waived injured with a settlement that keeps his bonus intact. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 How can they be surprised or mixed up about terms of a contract when the guys gets injured? They have been doing this a while now I don't see how there could be anything about this that isn't just spelled out in the contract. It isn't like he was abducted by space aliens. That would be a justifiable surprise. If it is a legal dispute somebody should be in trouble. My bet is it is an accounting trick that they need to delay on it for some reason. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Come on man, they couldn't have known about his injury. I didn’t read it as placing blame. I read “bad time” as unlucky, not as in poor decision. Also so what are the rules on IR-ing a career ending injury for they sake of the cap. I’ve always thought that big time career ending injuries/retirements should have little to no effect on the cap situation for teams. I am sure language could be inserted into the CBA to account for this. Something in the realm of “career ending injuries will not impede teams existing cap standings baring said injured player officially files for retirement within 5 days of release” Players (income) nor teams should be held back in situations like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Just now, BadLandsMeanie said: How can they be surprised or mixed up about terms of a contract when the guys gets injured? They have been doing this a while now I don't see how there could be anything about this that isn't just spelled out in the contract. It isn't like he was abducted by space aliens. That would be a justifiable surprise. If it is a legal dispute somebody should be in trouble. My bet is it is an accounting trick that they need to delay on it for some reason. His 2018 salary is guaranteed for injury. This injury happens to also require that Wood retire. When you retire, the team can ask for the remainder of the unamortized signing bonus back. Teams usually don't but usually a player isn't guaranteed his final year salary either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Just trust me on this. It's a pending legal case so it's hush, hush. You troll this board every chance you get, I'm not taking anything you say at your word. If you had proof, then I'd believe you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Come on man, they couldn't have known about his injury. this. why worry about someone else's money. those in charge will handle it. it was not like he knew he would end up with a career ending injury. pay the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: His 2018 salary is guaranteed for injury. This injury happens to also require that Wood retire. When you retire, the team can ask for the remainder of the unamortized signing bonus back. Teams usually don't but usually a player isn't guaranteed his final year salary either. Wow you understand this well! Thank you. I wonder do you know if Woods could refuse to retire? (Like he kind of did) And then make them lick him off the team, so he gets his bonus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The whole thing has bad timing and Wood is going to be missed. I just started an OL thread and would like to get input. The Wood issue could go on for some time, unfortunately. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 His injury will force retirement and the insurance company reimburses the team for some of the bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 4 minutes ago, Doc said: His 2018 salary is guaranteed for injury. This injury happens to also require that Wood retire. When you retire, the team can ask for the remainder of the unamortized signing bonus back. Teams usually don't but usually a player isn't guaranteed his final year salary either. Bills aren’t asking for any amount back. They are simply minimizing their cap exposure by having him wait to be designated a post June 1st cut. There is no acrimony as has been implied by some. They will go through the formality of an injury settlement that keeps him whole and then have the celebratory retirement announcement that was delayed previously. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Wow you understand this well! Thank you. I wonder do you know if Woods could refuse to retire? (Like he kind of did) And then make them lick him off the team, so he gets his bonus? That would take more licks than it does to get to the tootsie roll. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thunderingsquid Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Leave Eric's wood issues out of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, thunderingsquid said: Leave Eric's wood issues out of it. There's a pill for that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, kdiggz said: There's a pill for that Levitre? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Just trust me on this. It's a pending legal case so it's hush, hush. That's obvious since his retirement press conference was...well...a complete waste of 2 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, K-9 said: Bills aren’t asking for any amount back. They are simply minimizing their cap exposure by having him wait to be designated a post June 1st cut. There is no acrimony as has been implied by some. They will go through the formality of an injury settlement that keeps him whole and then have the celebratory retirement announcement that was delayed previously. Bill's do want some movement on wood's side. Here's a link. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22256945/eric-wood-remains-buffalo-bills-roster-puts-retirement-hold-due-salary-cap-issue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, Gugny said: That would take more licks than it does to get to the tootsie roll. Oops I meant kick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 51 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: And you know what? Cause I've actually gotten information from Massare's twitter account. Such as ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Bill's do want some movement on wood's side. Here's a link. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22256945/eric-wood-remains-buffalo-bills-roster-puts-retirement-hold-due-salary-cap-issue Rodak alludes to nothing about the Bills wanting money back from Wood. At that time there was a misunderstanding about the impact on the cap if he announced his retirement in January and Beane and Co. wanted to dot their Is and cross their Ts with the league and NFLPA to ensure proper compliance. It comes down to cap management and designating him a post June 1 cut when the time is right because that benefits the cap situation best. There has been nothing to indicate a squabble over bonus money or a legal issue as has been implied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Rodak alludes to nothing about the Bills wanting money back from Wood. At that time there was a misunderstanding about the impact on the cap if he announced his retirement in January and Beane and Co. wanted to dot their Is and cross their Ts with the league and NFLPA to ensure proper compliance. It comes down to cap management and designating him a post June 1 cut when the time is right because that benefits the cap situation best. There has been nothing to indicate a squabble over bonus money or a legal issue as has been implied. This would be my assessment of what's happened so far. Tbh, what the Bills should be doing, is simply arranging the timing of the announcement to their best advantage, something I doubt Wood actually has a problem with. After that, they should be paying the man , and letting him ride off into the sunset. Imho, anything else displays a total lack of class, when a player has played games in the last season, where he could have ended up in a wheeelchair, unknowingly, when the teams' medical staff or physical trainers, should have been ensuring his safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Steve O said: Eric has been a class act ever since arriving in Buffalo. Hope something can be worked out. Yea really. He will do the best thing for the team,if it doesn't involve huge money out his pockets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, K-9 said: Rodak alludes to nothing about the Bills wanting money back from Wood. At that time there was a misunderstanding about the impact on the cap if he announced his retirement in January and Beane and Co. wanted to dot their Is and cross their Ts with the league and NFLPA to ensure proper compliance. It comes down to cap management and designating him a post June 1 cut when the time is right because that benefits the cap situation best. There has been nothing to indicate a squabble over bonus money or a legal issue as has been implied. I never said there is a "squabble" over it. The NFLPA is looking into his contract and seeing about "some" of his Bonus $'s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said: Wow you understand this well! Thank you. I wonder do you know if Woods could refuse to retire? (Like he kind of did) And then make them lick him off the team, so he gets his bonus? That might be something he could try. 56 minutes ago, K-9 said: Bills aren’t asking for any amount back. They are simply minimizing their cap exposure by having him wait to be designated a post June 1st cut. There is no acrimony as has been implied by some. They will go through the formality of an injury settlement that keeps him whole and then have the celebratory retirement announcement that was delayed previously. Do you know for sure (from a source) that they aren't asking for money back? If so then that would settle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I never said there is a "squabble" over it. The NFLPA is looking into his contract and seeing about "some" of his Bonus $'s. Didn’t mean to imply that you did. Others have though. The Bills aren’t looking to take back any bonus, so I’m not sure what the NFLPA is looking at. Edited March 16, 2018 by K-9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, Doc said: That might be something he could try. Do you know for sure (from a source) that they aren't asking for money back? If so then that would settle it. Not from OBD, from PSE. If it were a case where Wood just up and retired, I’m sure they would have sought arbitration to recoup some bonus and then add it back to their cap. And Overdorf certainly looked at the possibilities. But because the retirement was forced due to injury and arbitration would most likely favor the player in that situation, it wasn’t worth pursuing. It’s not like a “Barry Sanders” rule scenario here. So the best the team could hope for in terms of the cap was to wait, waive him injured, and reach a favorable injury settlement with Wood. It’s my understanding that’s what they are doing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) Edited March 16, 2018 by Turk71 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheBeane Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 41 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Very Very odd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 with the cap situation being better moving forward I hope there is away to delay the pain if it results in some dead money in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 56 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Why? What was he supposed to do within the organization? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Doc said: Why? What was he supposed to do within the organization? He didn’t say. Just that he was still going to be part of the organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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