Hate to say it...Tyrod will be back

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:

IF the bills are planning on retaining Taylor I think they should start soon to do some public relations work to make it seem that them keeping him is a choice other than how it looks right now then forced due to limited options.

 

when your fan base doesn’t want him.

when other teams don’t want him.

when your own GM doesn’t believe in him.

 

and you still might keep him?  Some people need to start spinning this so it doesn’t look like buffalo was standing without a chair after the music stopped.

 

Winning sells tickets.

 

4 hours ago, Dorkington said:

I've been thinking similar... Smith and Cousins are already off the market, and I think Tyrod is better than the rest of the vets available to us. I really don't want to go into next season with a scrub vet, a rookie, and Peterman. 

 

Totally.

 

Why would we really want to do that?  We're trying to win.  We're not doing science experiments on low percentage rookie QB sor injury riddled vets that aren't much if any  better than what we have.

 

I'm all for IMPROVING the QB position.  But it's gotta be a BETTER QB, not just ANOTHER QB.

Edited February 1, 2018 by reddogblitz

[John from Riverside]

20 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Winning sells tickets.

 

 

Totally.

 

Why would we really want to do that?  We're trying to win.  We're not doing science experiments on low percentage rookie QB sor injury riddled vets that aren't much if any  better than what we have.

 

I'm all for IMPROVING the QB position.  But it's gotta be a BETTER QB, not just ANOTHER QB.

I really hope that is the plan....a better qb and not just so frustrated with the lack of production in current qb that we go with worse.

 

im pretty confident they have a plan

[Kelly the Dog]

Not sure why people think McDermott hates Tyrod. He let a OC talk him into a huge risk. It was an epic failure. McD admitted in public he made a huge mistake - something coaches rarely do - he reinstated Tyrod - they made the playoffs - then he fired the OC. 

 

He may or may not want Tyrod back but there is little in his actual actions or statements to make you believe he doesn’t. 

[Teddy KGB]

24 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:

The Jacksonville game alone should have sealed it for you.   A good NFL qb wins that game every time.   All 22 spotlighted him he missed multiple basic reads, Romo also pointed out several blatant progression errors.  He's done man.   I love TT but he's done. 

 

Iirc he thinks Tyrod played ok vs Jax.  

 

Its td not worth debating with him, he sees what he wants. 

Just now, Kelly the Dog said:

Not sure why people think McDermott hates Tyrod. He let a OC talk him into a huge risk. It was an epic failure. McD admitted in public he made a huge mistake - something coaches rarely do - he reinstated Tyrod - they made the playoffs - then he fired the OC. 

 

He may or may not want Tyrod back but there is little in his actual actions or statements to make you believe he doesn’t. 

 

Epic failures happened vs the pats and saints as well.   

[Kelly the Dog]

 

And Tyrod is the quintessential McDermott Eagle Scout. 

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

 

 

Epic failures happened vs the pats and saints as well.   

And did McD blame himself or Tyrod? No. 

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

 

Iirc he thinks Tyrod played ok vs Jax.  

 

Its td not worth debating with him, he sees what he wants. 

 

Epic failures happened vs the pats and saints as well.   

 

add cincy as well. he was sacked 6 times and the defense had 3 takeaways (1 fumble, 2 int) where the taylor led offense failed to convert those turnovers in to points.

Edited February 1, 2018 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[DFT]

Boy, he sure won’t be.    

[3rdand12]

12 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

which is why after tb gets another ring, they should let foles go be a starter somewhere.....and that somewhere should be buffalo. he's going to deserve 20 mil. and someone's going to get him. i pray to god it's us.

i am not uncool with this thought.
but does he fit whatever this Bills Offense is going to do?
he has made the off season's Desirable QB list.
 Who know what Dabolls Offense will look like? That is good thing. But i suspect they know what kind of QB they want to grow with.

10 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

It's very simple: McDermott doesn't want Tyrod as his starting QB, so he won't be.

 

I guess I'll "cling to" the fact that the coach turned to a late round rookie whose default expression on the field looks like something between sheer terror and agonizing physical pain.

 

In the end, it's what the coach wants. Daboll showing up isn't suddenly going to make Tyrod actually play the QB position.

 

 

 

 

 

 

you may be wrong  about how Daboll feels. But you may be right.

 

too soon.
we have no idea what the Offense will look like.

 

None.

 only conjencture . accented with with bias on occasion

[3rdand12]

9 hours ago, Da webster guy said:

The Jacksonville game alone should have sealed it for you.   A good NFL qb wins that game every time.   All 22 spotlighted him he missed multiple basic reads, Romo also pointed out several blatant progression errors.  He's done man.   I love TT but he's done. 

you mean:  he panicked under the big lights? he did not play well enough without question.

 

more to the story as always.

 but always always look to improve. continually. 

 I want them to draft and acquire an FA.
lets see what McBeanes think.

 

is Castillo still on the team :

8 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

add cincy as well. he was sacked 6 times and the defense had 3 takeaways (1 fumble, 2 int) where the taylor led offense failed to convert those turnovers in to points.

how the heck did Tyrod just let himself be sacked 6 times ?

 He likes abuse? He wants to lose?
Team game. lotsa issues. Blaming just TT is silliness. Baliming TT is okay. But not singling him out.

 The most dynamic QB playing gets sacked six times.
 a running QB as some say.

 Hmmm.

[Stank_Nasty]

14 hours ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I guess I would start with college where McCarron easily win's.

 

Both QB's played for 4 years as a backup with close to the same amount of games played. McCarron wins again.

 

Both QB's have played in a playoff game but McCarron won his. He rallied his team that was down by 15 to a victory with a beautiful TD pass to AJ Green to seal the Victory. McCarron wins again.

 

I would say McCarron is easily primed to have a way better career as a starter. This was way to easy.

McCarron has literally never won a playoff game. If you are gonna say something is easy you need to at least know what you are talking about. 

[billsfan89]

I fail to see where exactly the Bills can make a realistic upgrade at having a veteran QB on the roster other than Tyrod. I know people **** on Tyrod for a lot of good reasons but those people have forgotten about the truly awful QB play the team had in the years before Tyrod got here. Since Bledsoe the team has cycled through Lossman, Trent Edwards, Fitz, and EJ Manuel. Tyrod is light years ahead of any of those QB's aside from a half a season of Fitz who quickly fell apart. 

[DCOrange]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

I fail to see where exactly the Bills can make a realistic upgrade at having a veteran QB on the roster other than Tyrod. I know people **** on Tyrod for a lot of good reasons but those people have forgotten about the truly awful QB play the team had in the years before Tyrod got here. Since Bledsoe the team has cycled through Lossman, Trent Edwards, Fitz, and EJ Manuel. Tyrod is light years ahead of any of those QB's aside from a half a season of Fitz who quickly fell apart. 

 

This is kinda where I'm at too. The only free agent QB (aside from Cousins) that I think would be an upgrade over Tyrod is Bradford, but obviously health is a gigantic question with him.

 

I definitely think there are upgrades available in the draft.

 

But if we want the best veteran QB available, it's probably Tyrod. If you're content to paying a scrub like Derek Anderson to be the opening day starter and accept next season as a rebuilding year, that's fine. But if Buffalo is trying to win next season, I'm afraid Tyrod (plus hopefully one of the top 5 QB prospects) is likely the best choice.

[billsfan89]

Just now, DCOrange said:

 

This is kinda where I'm at too. The only free agent QB (aside from Cousins) that I think would be an upgrade over Tyrod is Bradford, but obviously health is a gigantic question with him.

 

I definitely think there are upgrades available in the draft.

 

But if we want the best veteran QB available, it's probably Tyrod. If you're content to paying a scrub like Derek Anderson to be the opening day starter and accept next season as a rebuilding year, that's fine. But if Buffalo is trying to win next season, I'm afraid Tyrod (plus hopefully one of the top 5 QB prospects) is likely the best choice.

2

 

Bradford in my opinion is at best a lateral move from Tyrod but given that Tyrod has a much lower injury risk I would rather have Tyrod given the choice. Bradford is a much better pocket passer than Tyrod but is still very conservative and protective and can't drive the ball down the field consistently. Tyrod, however, adds a mobile dimension to his game (Which keeps plays alive, adds rushing yards, and adds more bootleg and play action possibilities) and is equally as good at protecting the football. 

 

So I would rather just have Tyrod at that point. I think in order to trade up to pick 3 or 4 the Bills would have to give up picks 21 and 22, next years 1st, and a 2nd and 4th this year. That's a steep price to pay and I am not sure that any of the top 3 QB's are worth that kind of trade up. I think that the Bills are better off waiting to see what QB's fall and make a more conservative trade up if needed. 

 

You can't go into the season with just Tyrod, but Tyrod and a promising rookie I am fine with. 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

This is kinda where I'm at too. The only free agent QB (aside from Cousins) that I think would be an upgrade over Tyrod is Bradford, but obviously health is a gigantic question with him.

 

I definitely think there are upgrades available in the draft.

 

But if we want the best veteran QB available, it's probably Tyrod. If you're content to paying a scrub like Derek Anderson to be the opening day starter and accept next season as a rebuilding year, that's fine. But if Buffalo is trying to win next season, I'm afraid Tyrod (plus hopefully one of the top 5 QB prospects) is likely the best choice.

 

 

Tyrod has a high floor and he's cheap(mostly paid for).

 

The other options have low floors and/or are going to be additionally very expensive/costly.

 

From a Jauron Ball and logical perspective it makes great sense to keep Tyrod as the bridge........but while McD played Jauron Ball on the field he and Beane's personnel decisions were high risk even if still only getting small returns.

 

They totally undermined their passing game trading Watkins and their run defense trading Dareus so very little would surprise me wrt McD's QB plan.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

43 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Tyrod has a high floor and he's cheap(mostly paid for).

 

The other options have low floors and/or are going to be additionally very expensive/costly.

 

From a Jauron Ball and logical perspective it makes great sense to keep Tyrod as the bridge........but while McD played Jauron Ball on the field he and Beane's personnel decisions were high risk even if still only getting small returns.

 

They totally undermined their passing game trading Watkins and their run defense trading Dareus so very little would surprise me wrt McD's QB plan.

 

 

Bado

 

What are your feelings on Andrew Luck?

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, billsfan89 said:

I fail to see where exactly the Bills can make a realistic upgrade at having a veteran QB on the roster other than Tyrod. I know people **** on Tyrod for a lot of good reasons but those people have forgotten about the truly awful QB play the team had in the years before Tyrod got here. Since Bledsoe the team has cycled through Lossman, Trent Edwards, Fitz, and EJ Manuel. Tyrod is light years ahead of any of those QB's aside from a half a season of Fitz who quickly fell apart. 

 

 It's been so bad, mediocre looks good 

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Tyrod has a high floor and he's cheap(mostly paid for).

 

The other options have low floors and/or are going to be additionally very expensive/costly.

 

From a Jauron Ball and logical perspective it makes great sense to keep Tyrod as the bridge........but while McD played Jauron Ball on the field he and Beane's personnel decisions were high risk even if still only getting small returns.

 

They totally undermined their passing game trading Watkins and their run defense trading Dareus so very little would surprise me wrt McD's QB plan.

 

 

3

 

Beane netted a high return for Sammy (Gaines is a good corner and a 2nd round pick) but they gave away Dareus for a 5th round pick and a lot of cap space in 2019, the low return on Dareus infuriated me since although Dareus was not playing up to his contract he still was a good cog in the middle of the defense. 

 

I would like to think that Beane and McD had just had it with Dareus in the locker room and they felt like it was addition by subtraction, and that the crop of free agents for DT's this off-season is very good so you could plug a guy for 4-6 million in to accomplish what Dareus does. I hope they sign Star away from the Panthers at a reasonable rate, he could be that big space eater that the defense desperately needs. 

[row_33]

3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I fail to see where exactly the Bills can make a realistic upgrade at having a veteran QB on the roster other than Tyrod. I know people **** on Tyrod for a lot of good reasons but those people have forgotten about the truly awful QB play the team had in the years before Tyrod got here. Since Bledsoe the team has cycled through Lossman, Trent Edwards, Fitz, and EJ Manuel. Tyrod is light years ahead of any of those QB's aside from a half a season of Fitz who quickly fell apart. 

.

yup, but it probably doesn't matter at this point in time.

 

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, John from Hemet said:

Bado

 

What are your feelings on Andrew Luck?

 

Bring him on.

 

It could turn out great for the Bills...........and yet they wouldn't have to not be Billsy doing it.

[Hebert19]

Remains to be seen if yesterday's story was a smoke screen or not but I'm guessing my original post is the logic the bills will use.  

[xRUSHx]

It's been so nice having a QB teams game plan to make a QB, I love when we can only get 3 points in a big game. To have a new OC every season makes this offense great.

 

Why would we want a QB that teams are afraid to be a QB. SMH, the never ending quest at OBD to find a franchise worthy QB without accualy trying for one. Look up in the sky its a bird, no its a plane, no its a franchise worthy QB coming.....splat, nope just a late round QB here to flop like all the rest over the last decade. Were good here we got Tyrod the best of all the wonderful QBs since Kelly. Chan/Fitz 2.0 I am sure this will last just as long. The bridge with no exit. Thanks Rex you are so smart at finding great QBs.

Edited February 24, 2018 by xRUSHx

[boyst]

I said it in September. Taylor comes back unless Peterman wows everyone and that was not the expectations because he was so unimpressive in practices. Dennison could not coach him. Dennison was entirely wrong on choosing his QB. Peterman was a Dennison pick, part of why Dennison is gone.

 

Taylor starts 2018, as I said, because we need someone who can start and not suck

[Albwan]

On 1/31/2018 at 3:57 PM, KelsaysLunchbox said:

There is no way on God's green Earth that they can trot Taylor out there and try and tell us that he's a "Playoff caliber QB and we feel like he's a guy we can win with" and still expect to sell tickets. Change has to be made even if it's a lateral move. 

 

That being said, right now I believe Taylor is their last resort. If they were willing to park him on the bench for a raw 5th round draftee last year, I have no doubt they would be comfortable starting someone they get in the second round this year. Or a Case Keenum/Josh McCown type QB.

 

 

If they get a really nasty defense that can keep the other team to under three in a playoff game, maybe it could work

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Just now, Albwan said:

If they get a really nasty defense that can keep the other team to under three in a playoff game, maybe it could work

Don’t you mean under 3 throughout the season?  

 

There were 3 regular games and 1 post season game where the talented Tyrod Taylor produced 3 whole points.  

 

 

All of the stories going around are just that stories.  

 

Until the Bills make it official the TT fans will clamor for Typical Tentative Tyrod and those games are that have seen enough will have to wait in agony for the results.  

 

 

[Albwan]

2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Don’t you mean under 3 throughout the season?  

 

There were 3 regular games and 1 post season game where the talented Tyrod Taylor produced 3 whole points.  

 

 

I know, i never would imagine so many people would be actually be this

 desperate for mediocrity.

[SouthNYfan]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Don’t you mean under 3 throughout the season?  

 

There were 3 regular games and 1 post season game where the talented Tyrod Taylor produced 3 whole points.  

 

 

All of the stories going around are just that stories.  

 

Until the Bills make it official the TT fans will clamor for Typical Tentative Tyrod and those games are that have seen enough will have to wait in agony for the results.  

 

 

 

Maybe we should keep tentative Taylor...

Just in case the league addresses the problem of teams with real QBs frequently having an advantage, by starting teams like the Bills at 14 points right off the bat.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, Albwan said:

I know, i never would imagine so many people would be actually be this

 desperate for mediocrity.

Because he’s the “best” QB this millennium.

 

[Albwan]

8 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Maybe we should keep tentative Taylor...

Just in case the league addresses the problem of teams with real QBs frequently having an advantage, by starting teams like the Bills at 14 points right off the bat.

Shhh...i can actually see our upside down society doing this, lets not give simpletons ideas.

[Ga boy]

On 2/2/2018 at 1:34 PM, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

 It's been so bad, mediocre looks good 

Yes,  TT has been the poster child for mediocre, but this past year should be no measure of what he is capable of.  It was a patchwork scheme on offense.   TT gets way too much of the blame.  It was KB who should be blamed for Jax lost.  An argument can be made that additions from draft and a healthy KB would retool for another run with TT taking snaps.  I can't say same thing with a rookie or any free agents, except Cousins.  I would like to see what NT can do, but he would have to beat out TT.  So, let's keep TT, NT and go get a 2nd round QB.

[SouthNYfan]

7 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Yes,  TT has been the poster child for mediocre, but this past year should be no measure of what he is capable of.  It was a patchwork scheme on offense.   TT gets way too much of the blame.  It was KB who should be blamed for Jax lost.  An argument can be made that additions from draft and a healthy KB would retool for another run with TT taking snaps.  I can't say same thing with a rookie or any free agents, except Cousins.  I would like to see what NT can do, but he would have to beat out TT.  So, let's keep TT, NT and go get a 2nd round QB.

 

But he has been capable of the same mediocre play for 3 years now, getting worse each year (yes I know there are other factors, but it still is a fact he got worse every year)

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 1/31/2018 at 2:06 PM, Hebert19 said:

Unkess we can trade him behind the scenes ala Smith.  

 

Here's why I think this is the case.  

 

1.  Cousins is not coming here.  He will end up in Denver or NYC.  

 

2.  Cost to trade up will be too high.  Especially if they aren't sold that one of these guys are the next elite AN.

 

3.  We have more holes than qb.  If we trade up we would put a rookie out there with a ****ty team and we know how that turns out.  

 

4.  Bradford and Bridgewater are NOT upgrades.  Before wasting money on them we have to ask.  Are they really better.  

 

Draft well...sign some people to plug holes and this team will make playoffs again and have more money and options next year for draft.  That's my take...

 

We needed another thread to discuss this!  However many there are, they are NOT ENOUGH!  We need MORE!  MORE! I tell you!

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

32 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Yes,  TT has been the poster child for mediocre, but this past year should be no measure of what he is capable of.  It was a patchwork scheme on offense.   TT gets way too much of the blame.  It was KB who should be blamed for Jax lost.  An argument can be made that additions from draft and a healthy KB would retool for another run with TT taking snaps.  I can't say same thing with a rookie or any free agents, except Cousins.  I would like to see what NT can do, but he would have to beat out TT.  So, let's keep TT, NT and go get a 2nd round QB.

I’ve heard this song and dance for 3 full seasons along with other fairy tales that Baltimore wanted to keep him and Denver wanted to sign him and on and on and on. 

 

Blame KB?   

There was also an open receiver on a post route tor the opposite side of the EZ when TT passed to KB. 

 

It was first down which left 3 other tries for Taylor to make a huge play.   

 

Everyone gets the blame besides TT. 

 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

29 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We needed another thread to discuss this!  However many there are, they are NOT ENOUGH!  We need MORE!  MORE! I tell you!

The worst part is drudged up most of the sludge when he bumped it. Some real “winners” came blazing in Like sharks to blood in the water. 

Edited February 24, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[Sweats]

I can’t handle one more year of “gun shy” Taylor.

 

My god, he’s just awful.

[Stank_Nasty]

Just now, Sweats said:

I can’t handle one more year of “gun shy” Taylor.

 

My god, he’s just awful.

I could easily deal with another 9-7 season while a prized rookie sits the bench and learns or earns the job in year one. 

 

Dont really care who the qb is that delivers it. 

[BringBackOrton]

3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I could easily deal with another 9-7 season while a prized rookie sits the bench and learns or earns the job in year one. 

 

Dont really care who the qb is that delivers it. 

"The Buffalo Bills managed 9-7 and a first round exit two years in a row, Tyrod Taylor goes on the WoF as the greatest QB in Bills history."

 

Aim higher.

[Stank_Nasty]

12 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

"The Buffalo Bills managed 9-7 and a first round exit two years in a row, Tyrod Taylor goes on the WoF as the greatest QB in Bills history."

 

Aim higher.

Hence the statement about the draft.... let’s not pretend any other vet in the free agency crop is a guarantee to come in and do much better. If at all. 

 

Lots of winners in that FA crop right??? Come on man. Again... I don’t really care who the vet is next year. That means little to me. If whomever it is can sneak in another playoff berth I’m ALL for it. The draft is what concerns me. And if you were actually thinking higher and long term it would be the case for you as well. 

Edited February 24, 2018 by Stank_Nasty

[BringBackOrton]

Just now, Stank_Nasty said:

Hence the statement about the draft.... let’s not pretend any other vet in the free agency crop is a guarantee to come in and do much better. If at all. 

 

Lots of winners in that FA crop right??? Come on man. Again... I don’t really care who the vet is next year. That means little to me. The draft is what concerns me. And if you were actually thinking higher and long term it would be the case for you as well. 

I'd rather have McCown.  We might actually score more than 3 points against the Jags.

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

The only time Taylor can be effective is if you give him half field reads and it only works until a good defense adjusts and if he all the sudden became accurate. Running options and mis-directions are his type of QBing and it only goes so far until a defense is ready for it you have to be able to spread the field and throw the ball around.

[Stank_Nasty]

11 minutes ago, jmc12290 said:

I'd rather have McCown.  We might actually score more than 3 points against the Jags.

It’s a Horse a piece. Whatever. Why all the fuss over marginal differences? 

 

If the bills go 9-7 with mccown what’s the difference? They aren’t going anywhere either.  And be honest. They wouldn’t do any better than that record most likely. I get it.... anyone but Tyrod right? Sorry. That’s dumb. Other than cousins all the others are just a jumble of mediocrity.  None of them are taking buffalo through the playoffs. Get real. 

 

Its all about how fast the rookie develops. If it’s 18 that’s freaking awesome. It’s probably all about 2019 though. People are just pissy becuz they don’t wanna see Tyrod again and apparently don’t realize that no other vet, other than cousins, has any legitimate shot at  taking them any further. 

 

Im fine with moving on from Tyrod. But not just for the sake of it. Thankfully I think the FO has some common sense and doesn’t  think like the “anyone but Tyrod” maniacs around here. They’ll either land a viable qb to keep them competitive or they’ll keep him.  If he stays I’m perfectly fine with a team that will be contending for a playoff spot again while the rookie either takes the job by the end of the season or 2019. 

Edited February 24, 2018 by Stank_Nasty