Sig1Hunter Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Foreigner said: Of course, no team makes PERFECT roster decisions, but the Pats unfortunately make less. If you have not just come back from Mars you know why they traded J.G. Sure, without Brady and Belichick it is a different story, but they always have the right pieces. We traded for a crippled WR from Carolina who needs surgery, and how will he come back? He is also the guy who pushed off in the end zone for a 10 yard penalty that maybe cost us the game. Is your point that the Bills are not the Patriots? I don't think you need to make this thread to make that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 45 minutes ago, scribo said: Dareus was sitting on the sidelines when the Pats scored their winning TD. Tells me something that they had him out on the most important play of their season. Tells you he got hurt the previous play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, cba fan said: he was hurt dim witt. Up yours. 7 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: He went off the field with an injury at the time. Thank you. I missed. I think maybe 10 people have let me know here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 No, the point is all the talent we have given up this year, like the T who the Coach could not work with, that we practically gave away. Maybe Marrone was not so dumb after all in leaving because he made it work with Dareus. Dareus, no matter what anyone thinks has talent, and quitting on talent hurts a football team no matter kind of person the player is. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Dareus took himself out because he's out of shape, not hurt. Glad the Pats won....it should be Buffalo that dethrones them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Foreigner said: Of course, no team makes PERFECT roster decisions, but the Pats unfortunately make less. If you have not just come back from Mars you know why they traded J.G. Sure, without Brady and Belichick it is a different story, but they always have the right pieces. We traded for a crippled WR from Carolina who needs surgery, and how will he come back? He is also the guy who pushed off in the end zone for a 10 yard penalty that maybe cost us the game. Well when your franchise QB has a cap hit of like 13 million. I think it shows you the Pats are masters at manipulating the Cap. I wouldn’t put it past the cheaters where Kraft is taking care of Brady through other means. Whether that involves Tom’s TB12 company or other business favors including future ownership stake once he retires. I am sure Tom is getting his and is the highest paid QB in the league despite his salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Foreigner said: No, the point is all the talent we have given up this year, like the T who the Coach could not work with, that we practically gave away. Maybe Marrone was not so dumb after all in leaving because he made it work with Dareus. Dareus, no matter what anyone thinks has talent, and quitting on talent hurts a football team no matter kind of person the player is. They did not quit on him. How many pictures did we see of McD talking to him during practice. He quit on the team. it might just be Coughlin and Marrone told him he has one more shot or he's done in the league. Who knows? But I expect he'll screw up yet again in JVille. I get so sick of people making excuses for guys who don't have work ethic or the personal integrity to live up to a contract and take responsibility for their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, PIZ said: Dareus took himself out because he's out of shape, not hurt. Glad the Pats won....it should be Buffalo that dethrones them. Way to make **** up due your bias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 You have no idea what he was talking to him about. Maybe he kept asking for updates on his love life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Foreigner said: You have no idea what he was talking to him about. Maybe he kept asking for updates on his love life. Sure. You know you're wrong so you resort to this kind of stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 7 minutes ago, PIZ said: Dareus took himself out because he's out of shape, not hurt. Glad the Pats won....it should be Buffalo that dethrones them. Yeah, he limped off with exhaustion. Tell me you don’t actually believe that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 I am not even going to guess why you have no sense of humor omf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mango said: That is fair. Sometimes this board posts like he was JAG. He’s not. Probably in the top half of CB1s in the league. 8-12 ish. Not so much the point though. Look at all the former 1st and 2nd rd players we have had over say the last 5-6 drafts walk or gave away for basically nothing. Don't get me wrong I like Tre White but do we draft him if we signed Gilmore? If no, who do we take last draft with our first? Watson or Mahomes maybe? Same could be said if we kept Woods and did not draft Zay, who could we have got? Now we have to find a good DT which will cost another 1st or 2nd rd pick next year. You don't give away proven talent. People get so Horny over unproven draft picks around here though it's comical. Edited January 22, 2018 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: Not so much the point though. Look at all the former 1st and 2nd rd players we have had over say the last 5-6 drafts walk or gave away for basically nothing. Don't get me wrong I like Tre White but do we draft him if we signed Gilmore? If no, who do we last draft with our first? Watson or Mahomes maybe? Same could be said if we kept woods and did not draft Zay. Now we have to find a good DT which will cost another 1st or 2nd rd pick next year. You don't give away proven talent. People get so Horny over unproven draft picks around here though. I fully agree. Gilmore for me is a “you can’t afford everybody” sort of letting walk. Woods should be on this team. So should Darby and Dareus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Foreigner said: Marcel Dareus sack of Tom Brady today in the 4thQ could not get the Jacksonville a trip to the Super Bowl, but Stephon Gilmore with maybe a game saver, got the New England Pats to the Super Bowl. There is a old saying in sports "DON'T QUIT ON TALENT" and it is mind boggling all the talent the Bills gave away this year. I believed it's been repeated hundreds of times here, so I don't need to go into all the names, because you know who they are. For Cap space and Draft Choices? Why is it that the Pats never have these situations that hurt them? We even lost two guys off the practice squad to these guys this past season. Are the Pats that smarter? You all know the answer. going out on a limb? because they have the best qb to ever play the game? that would be my guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Way to make **** up due your bias. No. You didn't see himself on the sideline gassed and then came back in? I'm not biased. Hate both teams equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, PIZ said: No. You didn't see himself on the sideline gassed and then came back in? I'm not biased. Hate both teams equally. I saw him being assisted off the field by the Jags training staff and then come back in. You have decided that being gassed was the reason with no evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, 26CornerBlitz said: I saw him being assisted off the field by the Jags training staff and then come back in. You have decided that being gassed was the reason with no evidence. OK. It is my opinion that he took himself out because he was gassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, PIZ said: OK. It is my opinion that he took himself out because he was gassed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Foreigner said: Marcel Dareus sack of Tom Brady today in the 4thQ could not get the Jacksonville a trip to the Super Bowl, but Stephon Gilmore with maybe a game saver, got the New England Pats to the Super Bowl. There is a old saying in sports "DON'T QUIT ON TALENT" and it is mind boggling all the talent the Bills gave away this year. I believed it's been repeated hundreds of times here, so I don't need to go into all the names, because you know who they are. For Cap space and Draft Choices? Why is it that the Pats never have these situations that hurt them? We even lost two guys off the practice squad to these guys this past season. Are the Pats that smarter? You all know the answer. Here we go, the off season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 You can have Dareus. Not sure he even played 50% of the snaps. He made a few flashy plays but was not consistently pushing the pocket. And the guy is a headcase. Even if he wasn't a headcase and gave consistent effort every play, I still don't think you give that kind of money to someone who isn't a dynamic pass rusher. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Gilmore got the Patriots*** to the Super Bowl? No. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The Bills are serving as a farm team for the best teams in the league. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, kdiggz said: List of HC interviews in 2015 below. Almost all of them better than Rex. We already had one of the best defenses in the league and they hire a defensive coach??? Pick any of these offensive minded coaches and we are in the playoffs that year assuming we keep Schwartz as DC/Assistant HC. Choosing Rex set us back 3 yrs. Darrell Bevell, offensive coordinator, Seattle (Saturday, 1/3) Adam Gase, offensive coordinator, Denver (Saturday, 1/3) Dan Quinn, defensive coordinator, Seattle (Saturday, 1/3) Frank Reich, offensive coordinator, San Diego (Sunday, 1/4) Mike Shanahan, head coach (fmr.), Washington (Sunday, 1/4) Pat Shurmur, offensive coordinator, Philadelphia (Tuesday, 1/6) Hue Jackson, offensive coordinator, Cincinnati (Wednesday, 1/7) Rex Ryan, head coach (fmr.), New York Jets (Thursday, 1/8) Kyle Shanahan, offensive coordinator, Cleveland (Thursday, 1/8) Jim Schwartz, defensive coordinator, Buffalo (date N/A) that's depressing. Rex would have been my last choice then and certainly now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: The Bills are serving as a farm team for the best teams in the league. Obviously... 8 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: The Bills are serving as a farm team for the best teams in the league. Obviously 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I'm not concerned with it. It doesn't hurt my feelings that they made roster moves and trades to improve the team. I wasn't in the building and I don't have the intricate details behind every move. I think at the very least they did all these moves to set themselves up to be successful in the future. They came in to power and thier vision of a winning team must not of matched and they started adjusting. I don't know if every move made will turn out to be the right one. I just need to see more results before I really can listen to the opinion that the result was bad. If the team starts becoming more competitive next year I won't even think about the cast offs. If we trend down then I'll find myself in agreement that the moves we're bad. That means we haven't found the answer at Head Coach and I'm not there yet. I think people judge those moves to early. I think instead of hanging on to what could have you should allow yourself to have thoughts on what could be. I'm sorry I just think it's to early to judge. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 17 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: The Bills are serving as a farm team for the best teams in the league. OK, back in the real world... Just now, Lfod said: I'm not concerned with it. It doesn't hurt my feelings that they made roster moves and trades to improve the team. I wasn't in the building and I don't have the intricate details behind every move. I think at the very least they did all these moves to set themselves up to be successful in the future. They came in to power and thier vision of a winning team must not of matched and they started adjusting. I don't know if every move made will turn out to be the right one. I just need to see more results before I really can listen to the opinion that the result was bad. If the team starts becoming more competitive next year I won't even think about the cast offs. If we trend down then I'll find myself in agreement that the moves we're bad. That means we haven't found the answer at Head Coach and I'm not there yet. I think people judge those moves to early. I think instead of hanging on to what could have you should allow yourself to have thoughts on what could be. I'm sorry I just think it's to early to judge. Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 36 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: You can have Dareus. Not sure he even played 50% of the snaps. He made a few flashy plays but was not consistently pushing the pocket. And the guy is a headcase. Even if he wasn't a headcase and gave consistent effort every play, I still don't think you give that kind of money to someone who isn't a dynamic pass rusher. So.... He probably didn’t play 50% of snaps, but if he did he only made a few flashy plays.... And even if he made some flashy plays, he doesn’t make enough isn’t consistent... And even if he were consistently making plays, I wouldn’t pay him that much money.... Did i get it right, or would you like to move the goalposts again? That way no matter what happens you’re right and you can win the internet! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 While I think Dareus is a talented player, it should be noted that he doesn’t even start for the Jags: http://www.jaguars.com/team/depth-chart.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Did we really not know that both Gilmore and Dareus were great players? I think most folks did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: Did we really not know that both Gilmore and Dareus were great players? I think most folks did When they wanted to be. Gilmore lacked focus and Dareus lacked heart. But they were both very talented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Dareus is a part time player. Gilmore made one play all year and it happened to be today. Good !@#$ing riddance to both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: When they wanted to be. Gilmore lacked focus and Dareus lacked heart. But they were both very talented. Gilmore's occasional lack of focus notwithstanding, he was easily a top-10 corner his entire career here. Once he got through his initial transition phase in NE, he played like a top-10 corner again. No one should be surprised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Gilmore is useless. Even the play he “made” today was PI. He used his off hand to push off to gain leverage on it. I can’t people actually would want him on this team, especially after the way he played last year and the constant blown coverages that follow him around and illegal contact penalties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Gilmore's occasional lack of focus notwithstanding, he was easily a top-10 corner his entire career here. Once he got through his initial transition phase in NE, he played like a top-10 corner again. No one should be surprised Heard that. McD and his process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 Someone posted the Jags Offensive depth chart, but not the Defensive depth chart. Since when does Dareus play on the O line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Well Gilmore was too expensive and Darby basically got us Kelvin Benjamin (JMatt is gone imo ) and also big part we got Gaines. Ultimately we completely upgraded our secondary, unloaded a contract on a guy that was underperforming big time in 99. I'm a fan of the moves , we'll really see the benefits this off season. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Foreigner said: Someone posted the Jags Offensive depth chart, but not the Defensive depth chart. Since when does Dareus play on the O line. There is no direct link to the defensive section of the defensive depth chart. If you click twice you can easily switch it to the defensive lineup, which show Dareus is the backup DT and backup NT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Foreigner said: You really want to keep a guy, you can figure out how to keep him. It seems the Pats always win the AFC because they know who to keep and who to let go. Cap or no Cap. There is a reason certain players on certain teams test the market. Has Brady ever tested the market. No, because he knows with Coaching and Management the Pats make the right decisions to be able to win. Yeah letting Chandler Jones go was brilliant. NE has a lot of moves like this that nobody mentions because Brady and Bellichick cover up everything. There will come a point in time when they won't then everyone will act like they are crazy for what they are doing. Edited January 22, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Good CB’s are very hard to afford after their rookie deals as their second contracts are astronomical, so it wasn’t a wise move to resign Gilmore considering all the holes on the team. Gilmore had a great game today and IMO made the play of his career with the PBU at the end of the fourth quarter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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