Freddie's Dead Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 McBeane is creating a team concept here. The Cheats can absorb a player like Gilmore because they are the Borg of the NFL. You will be assimilated. I'm guessing that Dareus will revert to form next season with the Jags. The Bills jettisoned all the prima donna, high dollar low performer, bad character, malcontented, etc. players and got this team to the playoffs on far less talent than the Jags, and should have beaten the Jags. They are smart about how to build a football team. I can't wait to see the 2018 Bills after all the stockpiled draft picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreigner Posted January 22, 2018 Author Share Posted January 22, 2018 There is one big point that we are all missing, as some of the lst and 2nd rounders leaving are managements fault and some are not. We get all these top draft choices coming here, most all are single, or with girl friends and with money to burn. We all know what a great place Western New York is to grow up at and to raise family's, but first of all, these rookies and their agents have known they are not coming here to go to the Super Bowl, and most guys want to win. Second of all, how many times can these guys see Niagara Falls or go to the same Art Gallery if they want. Or what about going to a bar downtown for a couple of drinks. Buffalo is the Bills and so many people know who these guys are. How would you like to be Tyrod Taylor going into a bar or club Sunday night after a loss. These guys can get lost in New York, Philly, Miami, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, LA, San Fran, etc. and not get abused like they can here and maybe have a better social life. When I was growing up. relatives near Toronto used to come to Buffalo all the time. They haven't been here in 30 years. If I want to have some fun I can leave Buffalo and head anyplace for a couple of days if I have the money. All things being equal moneywise, winning; a better social life; better weather late in the season; wouldn't a lot of free agents want to leave . Just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafter Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Our secondary was not the problem this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: McBeane is creating a team concept here. The Cheats can absorb a player like Gilmore because they are the Borg of the NFL. You will be assimilated. I'm guessing that Dareus will revert to form next season with the Jags. The Bills jettisoned all the prima donna, high dollar low performer, bad character, malcontented, etc. players and got this team to the playoffs on far less talent than the Jags, and should have beaten the Jags. They are smart about how to build a football team. I can't wait to see the 2018 Bills after all the stockpiled draft picks. Exactly. We will see some big time upgrades this off-season and really reap the benefits of these moves imo. They're trying to build a consistent contender and i think it's a lock we are more talented than this year where we got 9 wins. Love the direction of this franchise. Hopefully Glenn is the next one to be dealt, or moved to RT, Dawkins is a stud Just now, rafter said: Our secondary was not the problem this year. Our secondary is one of the best in league and very young overall. They're going to be a cornerstone in building the defense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafter Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: Exactly. We will see some big time upgrades this off-season and really reap the benefits of these moves imo. They're trying to build a consistent contender and i think it's a lock we are more talented than this year where we got 9 wins. Love the direction of this franchise. Hopefully Glenn is the next one to be dealt, or moved to RT, Dawkins is a stud Our secondary is one of the best in league and very young overall. They're going to be a cornerstone in building the defense. agreed. gilmore is a goodplayer, but for the money his big plays are evened out by his weak tackling and blown plays. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: Gilmore Darby Bradham Hogan Woods Dareus Watkins Our cap would have made it tough to keep everyone but there’s a lot of ex-Bills in these playoffs. There are a lot of ex-players of teams on every roster. That's the way the cap dictates. But I would add there were 53 Bills in the playoffs this season too. Onward and upward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rumblinstumblin Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Foreigner said: No, the point is all the talent we have given up this year, like the T who the Coach could not work with, that we practically gave away. Maybe Marrone was not so dumb after all in leaving because he made it work with Dareus. Dareus, no matter what anyone thinks has talent, and quitting on talent hurts a football team no matter kind of person the player is. Seemed like Dareus needed a kick in the face and the only way to do that with his baby self was to dump him and shatter his huge ego Edited January 22, 2018 by mimisnowball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 hours ago, scribo said: Dareus was sitting on the sidelines when the Pats scored their winning TD. Tells me something that they had him out on the most important play of their season. Yeah I think he got hurt by then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 I was one of those wanted to resign Gilmore but I must say the rookie Tre' Davious White (and I'm not being a homer) made me forget about Gilmore, he had a tremendous rookie season and I think it's just the tip of the iceberg, I think White is going to have an excellent career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 hours ago, Foreigner said: Marcel Dareus sack of Tom Brady today in the 4thQ could not get the Jacksonville a trip to the Super Bowl, but Stephon Gilmore with maybe a game saver, got the New England Pats to the Super Bowl. There is a old saying in sports "DON'T QUIT ON TALENT" and it is mind boggling all the talent the Bills gave away this year. I believed it's been repeated hundreds of times here, so I don't need to go into all the names, because you know who they are. For Cap space and Draft Choices? Why is it that the Pats never have these situations that hurt them? We even lost two guys off the practice squad to these guys this past season. Are the Pats that smarter? You all know the answer. They shoul not have quit on the team, the fans, and themselves. The Bills did not quit on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wily Dog Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 16 minutes ago, Protocal69 said: Yeah I think he got hurt by then Dareus was in for the final play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Foreigner said: Marcel Dareus sack of Tom Brady today in the 4thQ could not get the Jacksonville a trip to the Super Bowl, but Stephon Gilmore with maybe a game saver, got the New England Pats to the Super Bowl. There is a old saying in sports "DON'T QUIT ON TALENT" and it is mind boggling all the talent the Bills gave away this year. I believed it's been repeated hundreds of times here, so I don't need to go into all the names, because you know who they are. For Cap space and Draft Choices? Why is it that the Pats never have these situations that hurt them? We even lost two guys off the practice squad to these guys this past season. Are the Pats that smarter? You all know the answer. In a perfect world you can sign every player to 60+ million contracts but that’s not the case. Those two players weren’t the right ones to give that money to. I agree with what Buffalo did. Sucks to lose the talent but financially just didn’t make sense. Edited January 22, 2018 by CaptnCoke11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 hours ago, scribo said: Dareus was sitting on the sidelines when the Pats scored their winning TD. Tells me something that they had him out on the most important play of their season. 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: You didn’t see him limp off the field? They stopped the game. The hot takes are strong today, Kirby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 hours ago, scribo said: Dareus was sitting on the sidelines when the Pats scored their winning TD. Tells me something that they had him out on the most important play of their season. That he was hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offyourocker Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 4 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: Gilmore Darby Bradham Hogan Woods Dareus Watkins Our cap would have made it tough to keep everyone but there’s a lot of ex-Bills in these playoffs. Until we get a QB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Tre picks that ball.....just sayin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Hemet said: Tre picks that ball.....just sayin That's a worse play. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 hours ago, scribo said: Up yours. Thank you. I missed. I think maybe 10 people have let me know here. Well in their defense, and myself included. If you actually watched the game it was pretty hard to miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: That's a worse play. Lol. I am probably missing something here but i will ask anyway.....how is Brady with the ball in his hands at the end of the game a bad call? My point is.....we replaced Gilmore and his huge contract with a better player...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 hours ago, PIZ said: Dareus took himself out because he's out of shape, not hurt. Glad the Pats won....it should be Buffalo that dethrones them. When I call you stupid in the future, and you might be making a legitimate point. Remember this post, you earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribo Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: Well in their defense, and myself included. If you actually watched the game it was pretty hard to miss. They didn't need your defense. I wasn't attacking anyone other than the one name calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: I am probably missing something here but i will ask anyway.....how is Brady with the ball in his hands at the end of the game a bad call? My point is.....we replaced Gilmore and his huge contract with a better player...... Gilmore's play resulted in the ball being in Brady's hands. It was 4th down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Ol Dirty B said: When I call you stupid in the future, and you might be making a legitimate point. Remember this post, you earned it. What gives you the right to be calling anyone stupid? 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: Gilmore's play resulted in the ball being in Brady's hands. It was 4th down. With better field position from Tre's advance of the ball? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: What gives you the right to be calling anyone stupid? With better field position from Tre's advance of the ball? Oh so now it's not just a pick? Tre's returning it 20+ yards too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, jmc12290 said: Oh so now it's not just a pick? Tre's returning it 20+ yards too? Sure why not? You said it would have been a WORSE play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, John from Hemet said: Sure why not? You said it would have been a WORSE play It would've. On 4th down, DB's are coached to not pick it. Bat it down. That's the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: It would've. On 4th down, DB's are coached to not pick it. Bat it down. That's the sport. THat is completely changing the subject....but you are good at that....you said it would have been a WORSE play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Hemet said: THat is completely changing the subject....but you are good at that....you said it would have been a WORSE play It would have. Batting the ball down is the better play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 52 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: When I call you stupid in the future, and you might be making a legitimate point. Remember this post, you earned it. Not trying to be a prick, but I read this 10 times and I still don't know what you're trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Magox said: They both had excellent games. This was the best I had seen Dareus play in quite some time. Hopefully for him he can stay focused on football and stay out of trouble in the off season. 100%. Dareus came to play. Always liked him but he had a bad contract. It was the right move and of all the departed, I wish him the best. He’s had s tough road and I want him to do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 13 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said: Good CB’s are very hard to afford after their rookie deals as their second contracts are astronomical, so it wasn’t a wise move to resign Gilmore considering all the holes on the team. Gilmore had a great game today and IMO made the play of his career with the PBU at the end of the fourth quarter. Good point. It does kind of create a conundrum though: re-sign your expensive young vet or continue to have to invest premium picks in your secondary? Tough call IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 17 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: This is easy for me. Gilmore is a nice player but at that price I’ll take Tre White 12 days a week. The Bills got that right. Dareus on the other hand was a mistake. He controls the middle of the field. He was a guy that they should have embraced. He was a monster today. I dunno Kirby. Three separate coaching staffs tried to embrace this guy and he had a garbage attitude for all three of them. The problem with his talent is that it's attached to a moron who shows up late to everything and moans when things don't go his way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: I dunno Kirby. Three separate coaching staffs tried to embrace this guy and he had a garbage attitude for all three of them. The problem with his talent is that it's attached to a moron who shows up late to everything and moans when things don't go his way. He’s not a problem child. He’s just a child. He’s immature but his teammates loved him. Dareus isn’t a cancer. You can work with guys like that. I mean his old head coach got him back so it’s not like he didn’t embrace him. Edited January 22, 2018 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: He’s not a problem child. He’s just a child. He’s immature but his teammates loved him. Dareus isn’t a cancer. You can work with guys like that. It's a problem when the highest paid player on the team is a child and not a leader. He's one "childish" mistake away from losing a full year to suspension. That alone would make me too nervous to keep him on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: It's a problem when the highest paid player on the team is a child and not a leader. He's one "childish" mistake away from losing a full year to suspension. That alone would make me too nervous to keep him on the team. It certainly isn’t without risk but you take that risk with the right guys. Le’Veon Bell and Martavus Bryant are in a similar place. If your culture is strong enough guys like Dareus are soldiers and not generals. He doesn’t need to be a leader regardless of his pay check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 1 hour ago, thebandit27 said: Good point. It does kind of create a conundrum though: re-sign your expensive young vet or continue to have to invest premium picks in your secondary? Tough call IMO. Agreed. I'm not a fan of using first round draft picks on DB's unless the team is already a contender because of how much it costs to resign the player. I'd rather draft a player in the first round that has the potential to be on the team longer than his rookie deal, otherwise it seems like you're constantly recycling through players. I'll have to admit that I wasn't a fan of using a first round pick on Tre'Davious White, but after seeing him play this season, I'd say it was the correct/smart choice. Like you said, it is a tough call. One thing is for sure, it's nice to have good talent evaluators again [Beane and McDermott] as they picked up Hyde, Poyer, Gaines (via trade) and White. Going into the season, people thought the secondary was going to be a major weakness, but it turned out to be the strength of the defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It certainly isn’t without risk but you take that risk with the right guys. Le’Veon Bell and Martavus Bryant are in a similar place. If your culture is strong enough guys like Dareus are soldiers and not generals. He doesn’t need to be a leader regardless of his pay check. Agreed. The team really had no culture before and is in the nascent stages of developing a team identity. You can't have that on the roster in the early stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: Agreed. The team really had no culture before and is in the nascent stages of developing a team identity. You can't have that on the roster in the early stages. That’s fair (even if we disagree slightly). I don’t think that he was negatively impacting anyone. He was just a goofball. I’d be concerned about guys like OBJ who have some power in their locker room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: That’s fair (even if we disagree slightly). I don’t think that he was negatively impacting anyone. He was just a goofball. I’d be concerned about guys like OBJ who have some power in their locker room. I dunno, I feel like having the highest paid guy in the building showing up late to stuff and basically not fully committing to the process sets a poor example. Especially on a team that is actively working to get younger. I don't want young guys coming in an emulating him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 35 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It certainly isn’t without risk but you take that risk with the right guys. Le’Veon Bell and Martavus Bryant are in a similar place. If your culture is strong enough guys like Dareus are soldiers and not generals. He doesn’t need to be a leader regardless of his pay check. Problem is Whaley never should have given him that contract. It's only one of his many failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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