I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) I'm curious. Was this the only guy interviewed? Who interviewed him? I'm just wondering about the timeline. This is clearly their guy, but I'm curious about the 'process' that went from, " we need to think about the OC, to 'here's our guy'." I'm always interested in the thought process of this kind of decision. What is it that so enamored him to OBD? Edited January 16, 2018 by I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, I_want_2_BILL_Lieve said: I'm curious. Was this the only guy interviewed? Who interviewed him? I'm just wondering about the timeline. I seems like this is their guy, but I'm curious about the 'process' that went from, " we need to think about the OC, to 'here's our guy'." I’ve hired many, many people....and sometimes if you know who you want and you can get him you jump. Now, is he the right guy? Time will tell. Don’t drag it out and fail to get your top guy. Sometimes the process is shorter than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, I_want_2_BILL_Lieve said: I'm curious. Was this the only guy interviewed? Who interviewed him? I'm just wondering about the timeline. This is clearly their guy, but I'm curious about the 'process' that went from, " we need to think about the OC, to 'here's our guy'." I'm always interested in the thought process of this kind of decision. What is it that so enamored him to OBD? Two of the best coaches of all-time wanted him as their OC? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, blacklabel said: I'll take the wait and see approach. I like that he's worked under Belichick, who actually hired him twice. Plus, rumor had it he would've been the guy to replace McDaniels if/when he takes a HC gig. He and McDermott go back so I'm sure that came into play with how much emphasis McDermott places on his staff all being on the same page. I'm not gonna worry too much about his track record as an NFL OC considering the QBs he had and the coaches he worked under. Clean slate here with McDermott. Hopefully he can do what some other OCs have done and merge some of the college stuff with the pro stuff to make the transition from college to the pros a bit smoother for whichever QB they draft. Also hope he understands how to evaluate and identify what his players naturally excel at and create a system based around that. It doesn't hurt that he's been a part of several championship staffs and had (probably) the best ever NFL and college coach hire him. We'll see how it goes. I was initially very underwhelmed with this hire last night, but I’m going to do the same. Just not enough to go on to be overly opinionated yet. Interested in finding out Qb coach and Qb. I have nothing against Brian, my initial reaction was based on what i had seen in his early OC roles. He was young then, didn’t have a QB... certainly going to give him a chance. I do believe he’s an upgrade over Dennison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Augie said: I’ve hired many, many people....and sometimes if you know who you want and you can get him you jump. Now, is he the right guy? Time will tell. Don’t drag it out and fail to get your top guy. Sometimes the process is shorter than others. I get that. But I guess what I'm asking is what specifically does McBeane see in the guy? What was it that made him the Choice that we had to get that guy? Saying two future hall of fame guys groomed him is good enough for me, but is it good enough for McBeane? I don't think so. Two weeks ago I doubt most here knew he existed. So was it that magical second quarter of adjustments in the Championship game? I'm in no way knocking the decision. Again, I just want to be a fly on the wall when this all went down. What were the points of discussion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, I_want_2_BILL_Lieve said: I get that. But I guess what I'm asking is what specifically does McBeane see in the guy? What was it that made him the Choice that we had to get that guy? Saying two future hall of fame guys groomed him is good enough for me, but is it good enough for McBeane? I don't think so. Two weeks ago I doubt most here knew he existed. So was it that magical second quarter of adjustments in the Championship game? I'm in no way knocking the decision. Again, I just want to be a fly on the wall when this all went down. What were the points of discussion? I want the same thing at times like this, but I doubt we ever get fully satisfied. I’m especially curious around draft time. EVERY YEAR. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 17 minutes ago, Augie said: I’ve hired many, many people....and sometimes if you know who you want and you can get him you jump. Now, is he the right guy? Time will tell. Don’t drag it out and fail to get your top guy. Sometimes the process is shorter than others. I think you hit here Augie. This appeared to be an "If this guy is available, I want him", scenario for McD. He also had to swoop in quickly because there was the potential of Belichick wanting Daboll. McD had something that Belichick couldn't offer and that's being close to Daboll's older kids. Daboll has 6 kids (I think 2 in Orchard Park) and they appear to be a close-knit merged family. The attraction of having them all together was probably pretty significant. Kudos to McD for getting who he wanted and for the Pegulas for probably spending some premium coordinator money to get him. McD will have to live with the results. Coordinator hires are solely on the coach. I saw a few folks post that Dennison was a strike on McD's longevity...I think they missed the part where the Bills made the playoffs. McD has some runway but like any head coach -- he is the responsible party... I don't know much about offensive game planning...so I will not critique the hire...I will just watch the results and hope they are great! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, 3rdand12 said: I am very excited about this hire. Feel it is cutting edge and was part of the plan all along. refreshing choice. Great fit for this Team and McBeanes. This should be fun to see what he brings. Go Bills !! So hiring an OC who previously had offense's that ranked 32nd, 29th, 22nd, and 24th is cutting edge? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Are they gonna hold a press conference for our new oc? Would really like to hear what he has to say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Klaista2k said: So hiring an OC who previously had offense's that ranked 32nd, 29th, 22nd, and 24th is cutting edge? LOL How many OC’s have been fired because of TT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, I_want_2_BILL_Lieve said: I get that. But I guess what I'm asking is what specifically does McBeane see in the guy? Everything I read suggests they are two peas from the same pod. Smart, first-guy-in-the-building types who place a premium on preparation and organization. These are great Belichick/Saban type traits. What still needs to be seen is how they perform on game day when the bullits are flying. McD had some growing pains as an in-game coach, IMO. As Mike Tyson said, everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. Whether Daboll learned anything in the past few years to improve from his initial OC stints will be fascinating to watch. I think he probably did and that's why I like the hire... Edited January 16, 2018 by Lurker 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, Steptide said: Are they gonna hold a press conference for our new oc? Would really like to hear what he has to say I would expect one this week sometime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: So hiring an OC who previously had offense's that ranked 32nd, 29th, 22nd, and 24th is cutting edge? LOL yes. you are looking at the wrong details. Everyone has to earn their way. Do you think Bill kept him just because, as TE Coach while they won the SB ? Do you think Saban brought him in just to have any ole OC while they went to the championship ? Maybe some do not realize the game changes and the trends. well you had best try to get ahead of it. This guy knows his world. College trends are coming btw. Like Saban and Marrone know. The running game can succeed with a stout defense. what do you think McD is building? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 13 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: How many OC’s have been fired because of TT? We are on #4 with Daboll, if they keep Taylor I guarantee he ties Cutler with #5. I never thought that record would ever be broken but we are a few month away from our destiny being locked in. I would never in a million years think that a QB of Taylor's skill level would even get a chance at 2 OC's but here we are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I was initially very underwhelmed with this hire last night, but I’m going to do the same. Just not enough to go on to be overly opinionated yet. Interested in finding out Qb coach and Qb. I have nothing against Brian, my initial reaction was based on what i had seen in his early OC roles. He was young then, didn’t have a QB... certainly going to give him a chance. I do believe he’s an upgrade over Dennison. you are coming around. patience is virtuous, when considering the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: you are coming around. patience is virtuous, when considering the process I expected Chud. I was just surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I expected Chud. I was just surprised. I hoped Chudzinski as well, but bringing in Dabol in some form or fashion was also in my mind. he has hoed his row by now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, 3rdand12 said: I hoped Chudzinski as well, but bringing in Dabol in some form or fashion was also in my mind. he has hoed his row by now So much for assuming McD will only bring in Panthers guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: So much for assuming McD will only bring in Panthers guys. I actually had a more positive initial take on the hire for that reason. When everyone was expecting Shula because of the Panthers connection, I was skeptical we can get where we want to go as "Panthers North Annex" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I actually had a more positive initial take on the hire for that reason. When everyone was expecting Shula because of the Panthers connection, I was skeptical we can get where we want to go as "Panthers North Annex" I honestly might have been disappointed with Shula. sorry. 5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: So much for assuming McD will only bring in Panthers guys. One of my feelings about Beans and Seans is that they have a vision. Not based upon compromise. Moving on from Rick Dennison ( not a terrible Coach by any means ) was likely in the plans all along. I expect more to come over the next few seasons. A vision with strong discipline can surely be achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Do his four season as offensive coordinator in the NFL with poor results concern me despite working with subpar talent? Yes. Does his experience in New England make me more confident he could be a good coordinator? Yes. I'm not thrilled with the hire as I would of liked an offensive coordinator with previous success in that position at the NFL level, but I trust the Bills brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wily Dog Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: chicken feed for Pegula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 As i assume we are drafting a qb we are also installing a whole new offense that is apparently easier to communicate and understand. Starting on the ground level with it as an organization and Quarterback it could blossom into a very diverse offense. Im not sure how his feel is as a play caller but assume he is a smart guy and good teacher of the system if both Saban and Billecheck like him. The offense makes sense for Mcdermott. It would essentially be his style of defense applied to offense. By that not overly complex to understand, and not overly wordy to break down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, Wily Dog said: chicken feed for Pegula Actually they'll have to sell 10% of the team to cover this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: The Pegula equivalent of a package of Skittles...to be used for bronze sculptures of Nick at every street corner in Tuscaloosa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 43 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I honestly might have been disappointed with Shula. sorry. One of my feelings about Beans and Seans is that they have a vision. Not based upon compromise. Moving on from Rick Dennison ( not a terrible Coach by any means ) was likely in the plans all along. I expect more to come over the next few seasons. A vision with strong discipline can surely be achieved. Sorry, but if their plan was to bring in an OC for one year, especially an OC who runs a different offensive system than they originally wanted, 1) I don't think much of their plan. 2) doesn't that mean they compromised on their 1st year hire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 The move should change the draft strategy.. TE over a speedster wr. We need a fresh big guy with solid unzippered knees and one without gator arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Sorry, but if their plan was to bring in an OC for one year, especially an OC who runs a different offensive system than they originally wanted, 1) I don't think much of their plan. 2) doesn't that mean they compromised on their 1st year hire? It certainly seems that they compromised, and hoped for the best. If it worked out, you move forward. Instead, we got what we got. Next! I’ll be optimistic until I have reason to feel otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Klaista2k said: So hiring an OC who previously had offense's that ranked 32nd, 29th, 22nd, and 24th is cutting edge? LOL Once again...give an opinion or stop trolling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Klaista2k said: So hiring an OC who previously had offense's that ranked 32nd, 29th, 22nd, and 24th is cutting edge? LOL Did you see the list of QB's he was forced to work with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Misterbluesky said: Did you see the list of QB's he was forced to work with? He's seen it multiple times in this thread but sticks his head in the sand every time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, Misterbluesky said: Did you see the list of QB's he was forced to work with? I know. Tyrod Taylor would be by far the best QB he has ever had on his teams... And that is saying something. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: This was not some cheap hire........my guess is he is getting in excess of $2M. That may seem like a lot to some........but Roman was highest paid OC in NFL when in Buffalo.......and is still getting around $2.5M per year from Bills I believe. In perspective....... LSU DC Dave Aranda.......a name almost no Bills fan would know....... is highest paid coordinator in college......he was at $2.5M but I think they just gave him a raise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: The move should change the draft strategy.. TE over a speedster wr. We need a fresh big guy with solid unzippered knees and one without gator arms. Is Gronk available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: This was not some cheap hire........my guess is he is getting in excess of $2M. That may seem like a lot to some........but Roman was highest paid OC in NFL when in Buffalo.......and is still getting around $2.5M per year from Bills I believe. In perspective....... LSU DC Dave Aranda.......a name almost no Bills fan would know....... is highest paid coordinator in college......he was at $2.5M but I think they just gave him a raise. That's insane if true. How long was his contract for?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, Steptide said: That's insane if true. How long was his contract for?? I think his contract was tied to Rex, so 5 years? They might be getting some relief from whatever Baltimore is paying him.........but knowing how the contracts were done at that point of the Pegula reign, probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Is Gronk available? Probably not, but we just hired his coach from 2014-2016. Begs to ask the question if Daboll will want a big pass catching TE sometime soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Probably not, but we just hired his coach from 2014-2016. Begs to ask the question if Daboll will want a big pass catching TE sometime soon? It was a humorous request but hey you never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 21 minutes ago, Augie said: It certainly seems that they compromised, and hoped for the best. If it worked out, you move forward. Instead, we got what we got. Next! I’ll be optimistic until I have reason to feel otherwise. I certainly like that apparently McDermott had performance metrics he expected, no excuses, and was willing to pull the plug and move on 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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