SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Rob Gronkowski signed a 6 year, $54,000,000 contract with the New England Patriots, including a $8,000,000 signing bonus, $12,920,000 guaranteed, and ... Contract: 6 yr(s) / $54,000,000 Average Salary: $9,000,000 Free Agent: 2020 / UFA Signing Bonus: $8,000,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, ShadyBillsFan said: It was a humorous request but hey you never know. I know. But it opened up my question about Daboll. As the TE position coach, does anyone know if these guys design plays for their respective players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, ColoradoBills said: I know. But it opened up my question about Daboll. As the TE position coach, does anyone know if these guys design plays for their respective players? Sorry. No answer for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 https://mobile.twitter.com/viccarucci/status/776909836772634625?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fviccarucci%2Fstatus%2F776909836772634625%23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 55 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: The move should change the draft strategy.. TE over a speedster wr. We need a fresh big guy with solid unzippered knees and one without gator arms. Marks Andrews and Mike Gesicki 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Marks Andrews and Mike Gesicki Andrews is a significantly better blocker, if that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 44 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I certainly like that apparently McDermott had performance metrics he expected, no excuses, and was willing to pull the plug and move on Performance metrics? Where did you read that? 8 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Andrews is a significantly better blocker, if that matters. Someone has to be Gronk and Hernandez (Andrews is a better receiver and route runner too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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3rdand12 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Sorry, but if their plan was to bring in an OC for one year, especially an OC who runs a different offensive system than they originally wanted, 1) I don't think much of their plan. 2) doesn't that mean they compromised on their 1st year hire? Will have a better feel for that once we see what the staff looks like. But i would imagine nearly every 1st year Head Coach/GM is making compromises. 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I certainly like that apparently McDermott had performance metrics he expected, no excuses, and was willing to pull the plug and move on To clarify, I think the vision is clear. I would not have said that when they were first hired. Both have shown me a sense of direction and purpose. which make me think Dabol is is not a compromise as Dennison may have been. But clear vision does not mean you do not tweak as you go. continuous improvement is a method Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Dennison was brought in to manage the roster we had and I think he did an admiral job in managing the talent on the roster especially the QB position. IMO Daboll is being brought in to build an offense that I would be surprised he and McD haven't talked about for longer than the 2 days it took to hire him. It may not work, but it is obvious the Pegulas are going young with McD(it is really his defense), Beane and now Daboll. I would be shocked if the QB next year isn't young as well whether it be Peterman or another rook. I personally think it is a good strategy. They turned over the defense in a year and there's no reason why they wouldn't think they could do the same with the offense. It should be a very interesting couple of years in Bills country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said: Dennison was brought in to manage the roster we had and I think he did an admiral job in managing the talent on the roster especially the QB position. IMO Daboll is being brought in to build an offense that I would be surprised he and McD haven't talked about for longer than the 2 days it took to hire him. It may not work, but it is obvious the Pegulas are going young with McD(it is really his defense), Beane and now Daboll. I would be shocked if the QB next year isn't young as well whether it be Peterman or another rook. I personally think it is a good strategy. They turned over the defense in a year and there's no reason why they wouldn't think they could do the same with the offense. It should be a very interesting couple of years in Bills country. Agreed - as I said upthread, these guys are trying to build a PROGRAM, not just a roster. Daboll comes from the two best programs in NFL and NCAA history, respectively. Although I gotta disagree with you about Dennison, I do not think he managed the QB talent that he was given. He installed his own offense which did not suit Tyrod's skillset and then spent the entire season advocating for the 5th round backup (who sucks). Edited January 16, 2018 by Coach Tuesday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Agreed - as I said upthread, these guys are trying to build a PROGRAM, not just a roster. Daboll comes from the two best programs in NFL and NCAA history, respectively. Although I gotta disagree with you about Dennison, I do not think he managed the QB talent that he was given. He installed his own offense which did not suit Tyrod's skillset and then spent the entire season advocating for the 5th round backup (who sucks). He spent the entire season ripping his own plays out of the playbook and going back to what worked before he got here because literally no player on that team could execute his offense well. None of the 3 QB's, not any of the running backs, not the offensive line, and not the receivers. Daboll better be better or this entire coaching staff is getting flushed down the toilet in 2 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, PolishDave said: He spent the entire season ripping his own plays out of the playbook and going back to what worked before he got here because literally no player on that team could execute his offense well. None of the 3 QB's, not any of the running backs, not the offensive line, and not the receivers. Daboll better be better or this entire coaching staff is getting flushed down the toilet in 2 years. Disagree that he went back to what worked before he got here. Yes he mixed in some power running concepts from Roman's playbook - but his base offense never changed. If it had, he might still be here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Disagree that he went back to what worked before he got here. Yes he mixed in some power running concepts from Roman's playbook - but his base offense never changed. If it had, he might still be here. Is that a feasable expectation to change base offenses in 8 weeks while doing week to week gameplanning? There's a reason Lynn ran Roman's offense all year in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Sorry, but if their plan was to bring in an OC for one year, especially an OC who runs a different offensive system than they originally wanted, 1) I don't think much of their plan. 2) doesn't that mean they compromised on their 1st year hire? I mean, his first choice didn't sign with us. Isn't everyone after that technically a compromise? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 14 hours ago, BillsFan4 said: Not sure if this has been posted yet... 2 ex-NFL QB's give thr low down on new Alabama OC Brian Daboll - http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2017/02/two_ex-nfl_qbs_give_the_lowdow.html Interesting tidbit from the link above Quote Chad Pennington: ""They may be doing that in the future," Pennington said. "I don't think [Daboll's] expertise is in fundamental quarterback work or being a quarterback technician. I do think he can improve the quarterback from a scheme and read perspective."" Having read that, I suppose we will be bringing a QB coach to aid or help whoever QB we might bring. and no, don't mention David Lee..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1-15: Joshua Chatham, Roll Bama Roll, Talks about Brian Daboll with Sal Capaccio (13:08) Really good interview from yesterday that gives excellent insight into Daboll's season as Saban's OC at Bama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1-16: Soren Petro of WHB 810 AM in Kansas City with Howard and Jeremy on Brian Daboll (10:40) Another excellent interview with Petro going in-depth about Daboll's time in KC as the OC wrt scheme and personnel. He also gave excellent insight into Alex Smith regarding what kind of QB he is and how much he's worth with respect to trade value/draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Steve Berkowitz ✔@ByBerkowitz Per contract, Alabama offensive coordinator Brian Daboll's move to the Buffalo Bills means he (or the Bills) will owe Alabama a $240,000 buyout payment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, jmc12290 said: Is that a feasable expectation to change base offenses in 8 weeks while doing week to week gameplanning? There's a reason Lynn ran Roman's offense all year in 2016. Hey why not? The #2 and #1 receivers didn't get acquired and on the field until October and November, respectively...........it's not like they'd had the playbook for 6 months at that point like.........you know.........a team that was giving their players a "feasible" chance to have a successful passing game in a timing based pass offense. Tyrod still having to show KB where to lineup at times in the last few games and playoffs was not a good look. McD and Beane share a lot of the blame for Dennison's offense but the right thing to do was stick with the Roman/Lynn playbook. There was just no way on earth that a WCO was going to be as productive with the pieces in place. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 How come no announcement of media availability/press conference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Mrbojanglezs said: How come no announcement of media availability/press conference? Right? I would think Daboll would scheme his availability based on the media/press availability for the best possible availability match-up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: They aren't going with Peterman next year. I hope not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 1-16: Soren Petro of WHB 810 AM in Kansas City with Howard and Jeremy on Brian Daboll (10:40) Another excellent interview with Petro going in-depth about Daboll's time in KC as the OC wrt scheme and personnel. He also gave excellent insight into Alex Smith regarding what kind of QB he is and how much he's worth with respect to trade value/draft picks. Soren was great in that segment. Solid points on Alex Smith...........first 80 yards and 3 quarters he's excellent...........redzone and 4th quarter(or any tense situations, IMO) he's that guy we saw throw the game away to 3D White. He's just naturally worse than Tyrod from there IMO......you can scheme production out of Tyrod in the redzone, we've seen it. I still think he's the most likely guy to be the starting QB in Buffalo next season.......he seems like a McJauron dream......and as long as he's a bridge for a guy with a higher ceiling guy that's fine with me. Josh Allen could probably use 3 years of pine-time to get NFL ready..........that Smith/Allen combo just sounds like a square peg/square hole fit for McD and would probably buy him a 4th and 5th season unless the wheels totally come off. Edited January 16, 2018 by BADOLBILZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: They aren't going with Peterman next year. Agreed. With a competent veteran QB (like Cousins) on the roster the Bills could use those draft picks to stockpile talent and they will be a legitimate threat for the next 5-6 seasons while they look for the "next" franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The board would go ape **** if Tyrod is back but as you said we've seen him be productive in the right system. I wouldnt be against it either so long as they draft somebody early. I like Tyrod prolly less than most, thought they should have stayed with Peterman even after the San Doego game. Having said that, I am fine with Tyrod back with a QB drafted in first round..no problems at all. Problem is you have to make call on Tyrod before you know what you have in draft, or eat $6M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 34 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: How come no announcement of media availability/press conference? I am hoping its because they are going through the rest of the staff and trying to improve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: The board would go ape **** if Tyrod is back but as you said we've seen him be productive in the right system. I wouldnt be against it either so long as they draft somebody early. I think he means Alex Smith is the most likely guy but it's not clear. In any event, I'm going to keep banging the table for Teddy Bridgewater. He's basically Alex Smith - less mobile, but a bit more of a gunslinger. Super accurate and doesn't turn the ball over much. Will be affordable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: I think he means Alex Smith is the most likely guy but it's not clear. In any event, I'm going to keep banging the table for Teddy Bridgewater. He's basically Alex Smith - less mobile, but a bit more of a gunslinger. Super accurate and doesn't turn the ball over much. Will be affordable. I like Bridgewater as (excuse the pun) a bridge..but if they bring him in and not draft a QB rd1, I would not be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Just now, plenzmd1 said: I like Bridgewater as (excuse the pun) a bridge..but if they bring him in and not draft a QB rd1, I would not be happy. I agree. I want them to do both. Tyrod just needs a fresh start, they can't sell another year of him to the fanbase I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 19 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: I like Tyrod prolly less than most, thought they should have stayed with Peterman even after the San Doego game. Having said that, I am fine with Tyrod back with a QB drafted in first round..no problems at all. Problem is you have to make call on Tyrod before you know what you have in draft, or eat $6M I think by the combine Bills will have an idea where they want to go regarding a veteran QB. I am sure they will explore trades and see what the asking price for Cousins is going to be. I think Tyrod is the fall back option in case those things fall through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 14 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I think he means Alex Smith is the most likely guy but it's not clear. In any event, I'm going to keep banging the table for Teddy Bridgewater. He's basically Alex Smith - less mobile, but a bit more of a gunslinger. Super accurate and doesn't turn the ball over much. Will be affordable. Bridgewater actually does turn the ball over. In his 30 games, he's turned the ball over 24 times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: I think he means Alex Smith is the most likely guy but it's not clear. In any event, I'm going to keep banging the table for Teddy Bridgewater. He's basically Alex Smith - less mobile, but a bit more of a gunslinger. Super accurate and doesn't turn the ball over much. Will be affordable. Yeah.......and Alex Smith is basically a $20M QB. The problems I have with Bridgewater...........durability, he's always been kinda' frail build...........weak arm and doesn't throw a tight ball which could be an issue in the wind at the Ralph..........and at 25 he's not really a bridge QB. He could be a bridge QB that won't go away. Like more water than bridge. I want to eventually have a QB who can make every throw so we can get a 15 year window. And I am good with the Daboll hire.....hope he brings back Roman's run game.......but just from a general football fans perspective I hate watching the Patriots offense..........it is deadly efficient but deadly boring with all the check downs and short passes. If he tries to run that and it isn't done efficiently........it could be frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 3 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Disagree that he went back to what worked before he got here. Yes he mixed in some power running concepts from Roman's playbook - but his base offense never changed. If it had, he might still be here. You can't expect the base offense to change during the season, but if he'd done what was promised in pre-season and tailored the offense to Taylor (and the skillset of other players we have on our roster) earlier, he might still be here. Kind of like Lynn did, which got him a HC gig. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 Gee, doesn't sound like he's a fit does it? "What's the new OC like? Former NFL QB Brady Quinn said Daboll "is as hard of a worker as you're going to come by. I mean, the guy eats, sleeps football. A big-time grinder."" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah.......and Alex Smith is basically a $20M QB. The problems I have with Bridgewater...........durability, he's always been kinda' frail build...........weak arm and doesn't throw a tight ball which could be an issue in the wind at the Ralph..........and at 25 he's not really a bridge QB. He could be a bridge QB that won't go away. Like more water than bridge. I want to eventually have a QB who can make every throw so we can get a 15 year window. And I am good with the Daboll hire.....hope he brings back Roman's run game.......but just from a general football fans perspective I hate watching the Patriots offense..........it is deadly efficient but deadly boring with all the check downs and short passes. If he tries to run that and it isn't done efficiently........it could be frustrating. Someone posted an xray, not sure if Bridgewater's actual injury or similar. Point is, it's an awful awful injury, a "will you be able to move like a normal human again?" injury much less a "will you come back as an athlete?" injury. He's a major major durability risk. The Vikes would obviously like the NFL world to see him as recovered and ready for action - thus his cameo in week 14 - but the fact that he was a "healthy scratch" and Bradford the backup with the season on the line says something about their confidence in him right now. 15 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Bridgewater actually does turn the ball over. In his 30 games, he's turned the ball over 24 times. In my QB draft analysis, Bridgewater was one of the 1st round QB who scored as a "no" and that's why. But he was only just getting started, and it's not uncommon for good QB to improve in the INT ratio. Edited January 16, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 24 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: And I am good with the Daboll hire.....hope he brings back Roman's run game.......but just from a general football fans perspective I hate watching the Patriots offense..........it is deadly efficient but deadly boring with all the check downs and short passes. If he tries to run that and it isn't done efficiently........it could be frustrating. I really think that was more personnel than scheme - the Patriots have been playing Moneyball for over a decade now - they figured out that scatbacks and undersized slot WRs are undervalued by the marketplace and they bought a lot of them, then schemed them into the offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 On 1/14/2018 at 5:18 PM, ExWNYer said: Don't bother with trying to be reasonable. Some of the "I hate everything" posters on this board are already convinced that he sucks because he was not "their choice". He's hired and that's not changing. I, for one, hope he succeeds.I'd rather see the Bills win than get mad because they didn't hire the guy "I wanted". There is definitely a difference between recognizing if/when someone wont work out as opposed to a fan supporting their team. I will root for the bills regardless, but I recognize he might not be the best choice. I think thats a little more reasonable than blindly following a party just because they say so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, BillsMafia13 said: There is definitely a difference between recognizing if/when someone wont work out as opposed to a fan supporting their team. I will root for the bills regardless, but I recognize he might not be the best choice. I think thats a little more reasonable than blindly following a party just because they say so Nobody says you have to blindly follow.....but the folks saying they hate and........thats it.....deserve what they are getting. Join the discussion...tell us WHY you hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Hemet said: Nobody says you have to blindly follow.....but the folks saying they hate and........thats it.....deserve what they are getting. Join the discussion...tell us WHY you hate it. yeah just that ExWNY ragging on people for giving an opinion. I am nothing close to an expert in his history or what he is capable of. But judging off his past experience in the NFL is kinda scares me. His O's never made it out of the basement, no matter what happened. His fault or not hes picking up a similar situation in Buffalo, what makes people so sure he will be our savior now? Seems everyone supporting is is basing it off other coaches word of mouth. Which doesnt mean much to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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