Teddy KGB Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: I can see this. I just hope our future is not worse without him. We could plan for the future and not start a rookie or 2nd level vet. It took us 17 years to get to this point. I don't want to chuck it in litter box on a possible maybe. Possible maybes have not worked out real well for us in the past. As far as the last 3 years. His production dropped off this year with a new staff and OC. Think that had anything to do with it? Shady's production was down 1.4 ypc as well. Things can always get worse. Be careful what you ask for. imho Losing to Bortles is rock bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 31 minutes ago, jmc12290 said: Got u fam. http://billswire.usatoday.com/2017/07/07/west-coast-offense-tyrod-taylor-buffalo-bills/ http://m.buffalobills.com/news/article-1/Bills-Today-Polian-likes-new-offense-for-Taylor-and-Clay/2ab3cc81-6b83-48be-9d43-9c5434d73da1 http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000809999/Palmer-Tyrod-Taylor-might-be-perfect-fit-for-new-Bills-offense http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/buffalo-bills-2017-preview-offseason-depth-chart-tyrod-taylor-defense-scheme/1eqehcbxo6r0f1qvwm3a20j68f He was supposed to be a "perfect fit." The dude sucked. Everyone was wrong. It's over. Interesting, Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Losing to Bortles is rock bottom. Playoffs is rock bottom. Who knew? It's good to be back at rock bottom after years and years of below rock bottom. It's an improvement Again, be careful what you ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: Playoffs is rock bottom. Who knew? It's good to be back at rock bottom after years and years of below rock bottom. It's an improvement Again, be careful what you ask for. I am asking for a team that can score a touchdown on offense against a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) Just now, jmc12290 said: I am asking for a team that can score a touchdown on offense against a playoff team. As am I. I just don't want to go backwards at QB (which is entirely possible if not likely). It wasn't all Hotrod's fault either. Other guys screwed up too. Kelvin in the EZ. 2 dropped picks. A penalty on a play after Shady ripped off a 35 yard run. A couple of big pass drops. Letting Blake Bortles run all over us. I hope we don't go backwards ... Edited January 9, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 What a ridiculous statement. I like him on PTI, but I still remember that MNF game he called for us when he brought up wide right about a dozen times. Every time we got close to FG range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 1 minute ago, reddogblitz said: As am I. I just don't want to go backwards at QB (which is entirely possible if not likely). It wasn't all Hotrod's fault either. Other guys screwed up too. Kelvin in the EZ. 2 dropped picks. A penalty on a play after Shady ripped off a 35 yard run. A couple of big pass drops. I hope we don't go backwards ... Tyrod are you supposed to be on the computer while you're in the protocol!? On a serious note, Tyrod sure does love him some Tyrod. He has more pictures of himself on twitter than those sleezy models put up of themselves! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 15 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: People might get mad or disagree with me but Tyrod is a poor man Fitz only with better legs. We can do better than that. They couldn't be any more different. No idea how you come up with that comparison. Edited January 9, 2018 by Mrbojanglezs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 15 hours ago, Buffalo Bills Fan said: People might get mad or disagree with me but Tyrod is a poor man Fitz only with better legs. We can do better than that. Did you know Fitz still holds the Bills record for longest TD run by a QB at 31 yards? And TD pass at 98 yards? I figured Hotrod would smash the 31 yard one. 3 years in and he hasn't yet Fitz had wheels. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 17 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: He obviously hasn’t seen Trent Edwards play. Kornheiser gets paid to say “splashy” things. Tyrod’s not that bad. Not even close. He’s just not good. This is it. I listen to Mister Tony's podcast every day, and ever since the Chargers game he would say McDermott should be fired for starting Peterman over Taylor...............Now he's saying this. He's also said before that he says things and then can't remember what his take was two days later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 (edited) 17 hours ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: He obviously hasn’t seen Trent Edwards play. Kornheiser gets paid to say “splashy” things. Tyrod’s not that bad. Not even close. He’s just not good. ' Tyrod plays worse in the 4th quarter than Trent Edwards. He actually has LESS wins from behind and with more games under his belt...and far superior teams. But yes, Tyrod is better than Trent Edwards, but that's not saying much. 17 hours ago, KelsaysLunchbox said: Taylor is bad. But he still wasn't the worst passer in that game. Bortles couldn't hit his FB 8 yards away...and Romo tried to blame the wind. Taylor is worse than Bortles...and has shown it for 3 straight years. He also leads either the worst, or one of the worst, passing offenses in the league ever since he's been starter...and he's regressed every season he's been here. Bortles actually has upside and can put a team on his shoulders when the time comes. They both have bad games from time to time, but Bortles has many more good games than Taylor, and definitely more great games. Also, Kornheiser and the rest of the "experts" haven't been watching Bills games all season. If they had, they would've recognized this far earlier. The Saints game alone would've made him pull the little hair he has remaining out of his skull. Edited January 9, 2018 by BigDingus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 19 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: EJ was and is much worse. Not good when the easiest example to think of was the other guy on the team last year. Peterman is much worse as well. Finding even a serviceable QB in the NFL is very difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 45 minutes ago, Idandria said: Peterman is much worse as well. Finding even a serviceable QB in the NFL is very difficult. It's impossible if you don't try. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Ridiculous "claim" by Kornheiser. But he's starting to get this "new age" media thing down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Taylor isn't the worst passer, his skill set just isn't a fit in a league still dominated by pass happy offenses and franchise QB's. He'll certainly be the one of the best (if not the top) back up QB options out there though for a loaded team looking for a guy that can get them through a few games if their starter gets hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 On 1/9/2018 at 11:14 AM, twoandfourteen said: He is absolutely a backup quality player, nothing more. Take a look here if you want some numbers: Sure looks like a game-managing backup to me. He is somewhere in the 35-30 range as far as NFL QBs are concerned, but I like my QBs to actually be able to throw for yards and TDs so I'd put him closer to 35-38. But at this level, I can see the value in having a backup who won't throw INTs, so I can see why most would slot him at 34 or 35. There is absolutely no justification or evidence that puts him in the top 15 or even top 25 of players at the position. None. Right on man, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Another Fan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Tyrod is ultimately a very good athlete but not much of a QB. The 3rd and 25 (or something like that) play in Tennessee he scrambled for a few years ago was one of the more memorable plays of the last few seasons. Having said that anytime he's forced to win with his arm he never can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 I'm just a little younger than Tony, and the list of guys I've seen who were worse is so long I can't list them all. I'll just throw out Joe Kapp as one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Clearly didn't see the Bills Jags game in London with EJ doing his best to put the game away in the first quarter for the opposing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I'm just a little younger than Tony, and the list of guys I've seen who were worse is so long I can't list them all. I'll just throw out Joe Kapp as one. I don't even want to try to make a list, but yeah. Even if we restrict it to Bills QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) On 1/9/2018 at 10:27 AM, Bad Things said: Did he happen to also watch Bortles? Now, that guy is just brutal. Yeah, but Bortles is still young and visibly improving quite a bit. We know Tyrod's ceiling. Have for a year and a half, really. Kornheiser's statement is an obvious exaggeration at a moment of excitement. He doesn't even rule out 3rd stringers. Clearly an exaggeration. I'm actually a Kornheiser fan. I lived in Northern Virginia and worked in D.C. for many years and read his stuff in the Post. Also have bought a couple of his books. The guy is genuinely funny. A hell of a writer. Edited January 18, 2018 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 After plenty of second-guessing and agonizing I conclude that Peterman was worse than Tyrod, and to be quite honest a few scrubs and never-rans since 1973 as well were worse than Tyrod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Another Fan said: The 3rd and 25 (or something like that) play in Tennessee he scrambled for a few years ago was one of the more memorable plays of the last few seasons. For me, this is the most memorable: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-cTNqwZ5gkY This one too: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yBLxD0OdR1I Love those Sammy bobble catches Edited January 18, 2018 by reddogblitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 hours ago, xRUSHx said: Right on man, Way to bump a ridiculous thread predicated on a ridiculous statement over a week dead. You just loooOOOOOOoooooovvee talkin Tyrod, don't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 35 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Way to bump a ridiculous thread predicated on a ridiculous statement over a week dead. You just loooOOOOOOoooooovvee talkin Tyrod, don't you? I don't start the Tyrod threads I reply to them. I did not realize I bumped a old thread, somehow I was on a Trans Tyrod thread and ended up on this one. You know one of the 3 Tyrod threads you have started on the front page, maybe if you keep all your Tyrod threads all in one place people won't end up bumping someone else' s Tyrod thread. Of course you do not like this Tyrod thread it does not go with your love theme that is in yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 50 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: I don't start the Tyrod threads I reply to them. I did not realize I bumped a old thread, somehow I was on a Trans Tyrod thread and ended up on this one. You know one of the 3 Tyrod threads you have started on the front page, maybe if you keep all your Tyrod threads all in one place people won't end up bumping someone else' s Tyrod thread. Of course you do not like this Tyrod thread it does not go with your love theme that is in yours. riiiiiight... didn't realize you bumped a thread that was on page 3 or 4 at least by the time you bumped it... sure 3 Tyrod threads on the front page? You mean the TWO that are there, one of which I posted purely about Dennison regarding how the Bills had the most stuffed runs (0 yards or less) in the NFL on 1st and 2nd down (was Tyrod even talked about in the OP?) and the other that's really just been good fun responding to Crusher-under-a-new-name? Okay, Eeyore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: riiiiiight... didn't realize you bumped a thread that was on page 3 or 4 at least by the time you bumped it... sure 3 Tyrod threads on the front page? You mean the TWO that are there, one of which I posted purely about Dennison regarding how the Bills had the most stuffed runs (0 yards or less) in the NFL on 1st and 2nd down (was Tyrod even talked about in the OP?) and the other that's really just been good fun responding to Crusher-under-a-new-name? Okay, Eeyore. He sucks get over it. If the next qb sucks he will get bashed too. Just like the previous 5 or so QBs Worst passer ever per Kornheiser. Edited January 18, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 8:49 PM, K-9 said: Can't believe we lost to that stiff. Neither can any Steelers fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlonce Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 7 hours ago, xRUSHx said: I don't start the Tyrod threads I reply to them. I did not realize I bumped a old thread, somehow I was on a Trans Tyrod thread and ended up on this one. You know one of the 3 Tyrod threads you have started on the front page, maybe if you keep all your Tyrod threads all in one place people won't end up bumping someone else' s Tyrod thread. Of course you do not like this Tyrod thread it does not go with your love theme that is in yours. You have to hand it to Transplant, he supports every QB on the Bills roster,sometimes to a fault. He was a huge E.J. supporter as well. Thats what our generation used to do. In today’s world of instant gratification that just doesn’t compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Just now, dlonce said: You have to hand it to Transplant, he supports every QB on the Bills roster,sometimes to a fault. He was a huge E.J. supporter as well. Thats what our generation used to do. In today’s world of instant gratification that just doesn’t compute. For me it's not about instant gratification. It's about performance over a period of time. Sometimes you need more time to evaluate a player (like tyrod, after 2 seasons, I was sure of what he was, which looks to be correct after the third year) Sometimes, you just know right away (ej, losman, Rob Johnson) I'm all for giving Peterman more chances, but I'm not sure enough about him to pass on somebody this year. I was a bledsoe fan, a flutie fan, hell I liked Edwards and gave him a shot, but I'm also realistic. I think a lot of people set expectations too high from the get go, then when somebody doesn't look like the "second coming of Jim Kelly" after the first couple of starts, we automatically call them a bust. I'm rambling. I would love a franchise elite qb. I'll be happy with a very good QB. I'd rather not settle on an average at best QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 11 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Yeah, but Bortles is still young and visibly improving quite a bit. We know Tyrod's ceiling. Have for a year and a half, really. Kornheiser's statement is an obvious exaggeration at a moment of excitement. He doesn't even rule out 3rd stringers. Clearly an exaggeration. I'm actually a Kornheiser fan. I lived in Northern Virginia and worked in D.C. for many years and read his stuff in the Post. Also have bought a couple of his books. The guy is genuinely funny. A hell of a writer. In the end....this is true Tyrod's game though several different OC's is very steady for a QB...unfortunately its not improving in areas that it needs to in order to keep the wagon hitched to him....Bortles is not a good qb....but has a chance to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 48 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: In the end....this is true Tyrod's game though several different OC's is very steady for a QB...unfortunately its not improving in areas that it needs to in order to keep the wagon hitched to him....Bortles is not a good qb....but has a chance to get better. Steady is a proper word. Steady at being mediocre and steady in the respect of not being good enough to grasp victory from the jaws of defeat. That's why it sucks. 3 hours ago, dlonce said: Thats what our generation used to do. In today’s world of instant gratification that just doesn’t compute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 On 1/8/2018 at 8:15 PM, Wayne Arnold said: After finally watching a game, the mainstream sports media is finally understanding why McDermott pulled Taylor earlier in the season. https://twitter.com/RyanTalbotBills/status/950532481823985665 Take it with a grain of salt... He's the same moron who was screaming that the Bills should have fired McDermott when he benched him. Kornheiser is as big of an idiot as they come. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalobloodfloridahome Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 The Biggest Frustration about Bortles is that the guy has the size arm strength mobility and the ability to be a great Qb. He thinks he can just skate by on his skill and not apply himself (He Likes to Party). If he had half the heart and drive that Tyrod has he'd be incredible. The flip side is Tyrod doesn't have anything but drive he has a decent arm and bad accuracy he's short but athletic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills757 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 52 minutes ago, CLTbills said: Take it with a grain of salt... He's the same moron who was screaming that the Bills should have fired McDermott when he benched him. Kornheiser is as big of an idiot as they come. Spot on accurate. Kornheiser is just like many in the media.....just looking for clicks and views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Bills757 said: Spot on accurate. Kornheiser is just like many in the media.....just looking for clicks and views. Unfortunately, that's all the media/ESPN want - these so called "hot" takes. Stephen A. Smith 2.0. Gotta be yelling making some outlandish/outrageous comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 3 hours ago, John from Hemet said: In the end....this is true Tyrod's game though several different OC's is very steady for a QB...unfortunately its not improving in areas that it needs to in order to keep the wagon hitched to him....Bortles is not a good qb....but has a chance to get better. Bottles he started 19 more games than Hotrod. Maybe that's why he's improved more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 21 minutes ago, reddogblitz said: Bottles he started 19 more games than Hotrod. Maybe that's why he's improved more? Or maybe because he's 2-3 years younger than tyrod so he is just entering his typical "prime" for most athletes Or maybe it's just fool's gold and bortles still sucks and will regress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 Kornheiser and Bortles suck. That’s the jist of this thread. Mental illness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 18, 2018 Share Posted January 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Kornheiser and Bortles suck. That’s the jist of this thread. Mental illness. You left another name out ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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