Virgil Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Glenn for Graham straight up. Both have cap hits, but not being utilized. Both make immediate impacts for each team. Would you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 They want to trade Glenn to get younger and less expensive contracts. It's not about getting another equal player in return. They are looking for a draft pick and a young player on a rookie deal most likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Interesting idea. Graham has been so inconsistent in Seattle tho. I don't think I do that deal, unless it's fantasy football as Glenn hasn't had much of a fantasy impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I've been an advocate of trading Glenn for the right situation but I wouldn't make this move, at least as is. Mostly because Graham is nearly 3 years older than Glenn and TE isn't a glaring need right now even with Clay out for a while. Now if Seattle threw in another player and/or mid round draft pick it might be more appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Pass, I would much rather have Glenn if all things are equal. Tackle is such an important position along the O-line and Graham while not washed up is expensive and his best days are likely behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 20, 2017 Author Share Posted October 20, 2017 They want to trade Glenn to get younger and less expensive contracts. It's not about getting another equal player in return. They are looking for a draft pick and a young player on a rookie deal most likely I agree. But I think Graham has less years left on his deal. With the cap hit for Glenn and Dareus, I think a contract swap may come into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I agree. But I think Graham has less years left on his deal. With the cap hit for Glenn and Dareus, I think a contract swap may come into play. What is this contract swap you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 They want to trade Glenn to get younger and less expensive contracts. It's not about getting another equal player in return. They are looking for a draft pick and a young player on a rookie deal most likely Glenn is 28 IIRC, which is hardly "old" for an OLer since good ones frequently play into well into their thirties. It looks like the Bills just want to shed salary, and they don't much care how much talent they dump in the process. If the Bills were truly interested in winning football games, instead of trading away their best OT to save $$$, they would use a day 1 or day 2 draft pick on an eventual replacement for Incognito who's 34 and, if it's a draft deep in OL prospects, maybe on one for Wood, too, who's 30 or 31. However, the Bills being the Bills, they'll trade Glenn for practically nothing, ignore the OL positions that should be priorities, and fill their OL spots with ST refugees and UDFA signees whom they'lll claim are "just as good" as the players they've traded, let walk in FA, retired, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luxy312 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Doing a deal like this would accelerate $22m against the Bills cap. Might as well have suggested that the Bills give all of their draft picks next year to the Patriots for Jimmy G. Beyond dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 I agree. But I think Graham has less years left on his deal. With the cap hit for Glenn and Dareus, I think a contract swap may come into play. I thought the biggest issue with moving Glenn and Dareus is the cap hit we would take in 2017 and 2018. They are at least $12M for each player in each of those two years, Glenn is 28 IIRC, which is hardly "old" for an OLer since good ones frequently play into well into their thirties. It looks like the Bills just want to shed salary, and they don't much care how much talent they dump in the process. If the Bills were truly interested in winning football games, instead of trading away their best OT to save $$$, they would use a day 1 or day 2 draft pick on an eventual replacement for Incognito who's 34 and, if it's a draft deep in OL prospects, maybe on one for Wood, too, who's 30 or 31. However, the Bills being the Bills, they'll trade Glenn for practically nothing, ignore the OL positions that should be priorities, and fill their OL spots with ST refugees and UDFA signees whom they'lll claim are "just as good" as the players they've traded, let walk in FA, retired, etc. You are speculating so much about this front office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumbleAndHungry Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 I'd rather have Doug Baldwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Doing a deal like this would accelerate $22m against the Bills cap. Might as well have suggested that the Bills give all of their draft picks next year to the Patriots for Jimmy G. Beyond dumb. give it a week and I'll be a thread on this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 I agree. But I think Graham has less years left on his deal. With the cap hit for Glenn and Dareus, I think a contract swap may come into play. ....why are you inclined to trade Glenn?....long term health issues (are current issues long term)?.......quality of play?......other reason(s)?.....just curious bud............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PABillsfan23 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Injury prone Glenn for an even more injury prone Graham.. Nah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Glenn is 28 IIRC, which is hardly "old" for an OLer since good ones frequently play into well into their thirties. It looks like the Bills just want to shed salary, and they don't much care how much talent they dump in the process. If the Bills were truly interested in winning football games, instead of trading away their best OT to save $$$, they would use a day 1 or day 2 draft pick on an eventual replacement for Incognito who's 34 and, if it's a draft deep in OL prospects, maybe on one for Wood, too, who's 30 or 31. However, the Bills being the Bills, they'll trade Glenn for practically nothing, ignore the OL positions that should be priorities, and fill their OL spots with ST refugees and UDFA signees whom they'lll claim are "just as good" as the players they've traded, let walk in FA, retired, etc. Glenn has substantial trade value, Incognito and Wood are on the last deal of their careers and are a bargain by comparison. I'm not saying Glenn is old I'm saying Graham is. They are trying to get cheap young players, not expensive old players. Trading for Graham won't happen or any other player in their 30's making a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jahbonas Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Only reason to even think of moving Cordy Glenn is if our medical staff felt his ankle injuries were chronic and disrupt his career. If this team plans on having success next year and year after etccc having a top Off Line is a requirement and you dont throw away a virtual probowl LT who gives us no off field problems Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Jimmy Graham will be 31 in November and has declining production...uh no thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) Only reason to even think of moving Cordy Glenn is if our medical staff felt his ankle injuries were chronic and disrupt his career. If this team plans on having success next year and year after etccc having a top Off Line is a requirement and you dont throw away a virtual probowl LT who gives us no off field problems Season Week Description Status 2017 5 Foot, Ankle Questionable 2017 4 Foot, Ankle Out 2017 3 Foot, Ankle Out 2016 17 Back Out 2016 16 Back Doubtful 2016 15 Foot Doubtful 2016 14 Back Questionable 2016 13 Back Questionable 2016 12 Back Questionable 2016 9 Ankle Questionable 2016 8 Ankle Questionable 2016 7 Ankle Questionable 2016 6 Ankle Questionable 2016 5 Ankle Questionable 2016 4 Ankle Questionable 2016 3 Ankle Out 2016 2 Ankle Out 2015 13 Back Probable 2015 6 Ankle Probable 2015 5 Ankle Probable Edited October 21, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Makes sense to make a run this season. Don't see this regime making a move like this. Expect draft picks, younger players or quality player (maybe a more expensive on an expiring contract). Don't think any team gives us enough of what we're looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 grahams contract is up this year so the hawks getting something for him if they don't want to extend him could be a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) Just what the Bills need a one dimensional TE thats made of glass. Remember how long the Bills needed a good LT after the Peters trade? They get one and some people want him gone.... lets get him healthy. Edited October 21, 2017 by JMF2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 21, 2017 Author Share Posted October 21, 2017 I dont want him gone at all. I dont want half the guys gone whove been cut or traded. But its the world we are in now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Glenn is 28 IIRC, which is hardly "old" for an OLer since good ones frequently play into well into their thirties. It looks like the Bills just want to shed salary, and they don't much care how much talent they dump in the process. If the Bills were truly interested in winning football games, instead of trading away their best OT to save $$$, they would use a day 1 or day 2 draft pick on an eventual replacement for Incognito who's 34 and, if it's a draft deep in OL prospects, maybe on one for Wood, too, who's 30 or 31. However, the Bills being the Bills, they'll trade Glenn for practically nothing, ignore the OL positions that should be priorities, and fill their OL spots with ST refugees and UDFA signees whom they'lll claim are "just as good" as the players they've traded, let walk in FA, retired, etc. Groy is the replacement for Wood should that need arise. I think this staff will surprise you. I think we are loading up to build from the draft with all the picks and wanting to unload overbloated contracts if they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Rick Dennison likes a tight end who'll block. Jimmy Graham ain't built that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Seattles o line is embarrassing. They would jump at this trade. Graham used to be my favorite player, great back story, but he isnt what this team needs right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTier Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Groy is the replacement for Wood should that need arise. I think this staff will surprise you. I think we are loading up to build from the draft with all the picks and wanting to unload overbloated contracts if they can. Good lord, the 2018 draft better be the best damned college draft ever, so overloaded with talent in every round that Bills can build their entire Super Bowl team just on the players they take with their 50 picks in the first three rounds from trading away every single current player with even a flicker of talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Id do that trade for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 Glenn is 28 IIRC, which is hardly "old" for an OLer since good ones frequently play into well into their thirties. It looks like the Bills just want to shed salary, and they don't much care how much talent they dump in the process. If the Bills were truly interested in winning football games, instead of trading away their best OT to save $$$, they would use a day 1 or day 2 draft pick on an eventual replacement for Incognito who's 34 and, if it's a draft deep in OL prospects, maybe on one for Wood, too, who's 30 or 31. However, the Bills being the Bills, they'll trade Glenn for practically nothing, ignore the OL positions that should be priorities, and fill their OL spots with ST refugees and UDFA signees whom they'lll claim are "just as good" as the players they've traded, let walk in FA, retired, etc. You realize the Glenn trade is hypothetical of course? seem already disappointed in the mcB method to me SoTier ! ....why are you inclined to trade Glenn?....long term health issues (are current issues long term)?.......quality of play?......other reason(s)?.....just curious bud............... likely the rumors flying about. If they trade Glenn i might freak out a little Only reason to even think of moving Cordy Glenn is if our medical staff felt his ankle injuries were chronic and disrupt his career. If this team plans on having success next year and year after etccc having a top Off Line is a requirement and you dont throw away a virtual probowl LT who gives us no off field problems and then he becomes hardly tradable is he ? I agree with you Good lord, the 2018 draft better be the best damned college draft ever, so overloaded with talent in every round that Bills can build their entire Super Bowl team just on the players they take with their 50 picks in the first three rounds from trading away every single current player with even a flicker of talent. Yep, i get worried if the Bills are depending on some overly successful draft. Still hope the Pro scouts can step up their game next off season. Dependant on College scouting and then being at the right place come the pick, the ability to move that when needed? thats a lot to ask to get excited for next season, if they do dump players for big money contracts this year. hope it is just media spin. Dareus is another story though Virgil I would not do that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 grahams contract is up this year so the hawks getting something for him if they don't want to extend him could be a deal. I’m not trading Glenn for a TE who is turning 31 this season and is in the last year of his deal - even if that TE is Jimmy Graham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dulles Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Season Week Description Status 2017 5 Foot, Ankle Questionable 2017 4 Foot, Ankle Out 2017 3 Foot, Ankle Out 2016 17 Back Out 2016 16 Back Doubtful 2016 15 Foot Doubtful 2016 14 Back Questionable 2016 13 Back Questionable 2016 12 Back Questionable 2016 9 Ankle Questionable 2016 8 Ankle Questionable 2016 7 Ankle Questionable 2016 6 Ankle Questionable 2016 5 Ankle Questionable 2016 4 Ankle Questionable 2016 3 Ankle Out 2016 2 Ankle Out 2015 13 Back Probable 2015 6 Ankle Probable 2015 5 Ankle Probable Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 22, 2017 Author Share Posted October 22, 2017 Im not trading Glenn for a TE who is turning 31 this season and is in the last year of his deal - even if that TE is Jimmy Graham. This actually makes it more enticing. The Bills seem to be all about the salary cap dump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 (edited) Pass as well. A solid LT is way, way more important then a TE, not to mention we already have a decent TE. Why do some people want Glenn gone whom is a top 10 tackle IMO when healthy? We could spend the next 3 drafts trying to find his replacement in the draft and miss every year. Good tackles in the NFL are very hard to come by. Edited October 29, 2017 by Real McCoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 Apparently, the Seahawks are shopping Graham and looking for a LT. They are talking to the Texans now. I dont want to lose Glenn, unless there is something more to his medical that I dont know, but maybe there is a chance. The fact that we need a TE and his contract is up after this year makes it seem at least possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I'd target Tyler Lockett or Paul Richardson and an additional pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 why the love affair with trading glenn best tackle on the team. Someones gotta block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 Its all about injury to me. If they think Dawkins can do the job and Glenns foot issues are only going to keep happening or get worse, then get away from it if you can. If hes healthy and good to go, then yes, its a dumb trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Its all about injury to me. If they think Dawkins can do the job and Glenns foot issues are only going to keep happening or get worse, then get away from it if you can. If hes healthy and good to go, then yes, its a dumb trade He might me plagued with injuries this season but that doesn't mean he will be plagued with injuries next year. When healthy he is our best lineman. Dawkins could be used on the right side and also used as a versatile tackle if Glenn gets hurt. Let's not act out of haste this year and then have to address another hole that was created by the trade. Stay the course and see how it works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) Glenn for Graham straight up. Both have cap hits, but not being utilized. Both make immediate impacts for each team. Would you? Graham is in the last yr. of his deal and likely wouldn't be resigned by Buffalo. He would have to be moved in order for SEA to take on the remainder of Glenn's '17 contract. It's my opinion the Bills would also need/want a mid round draft choice as well as Graham in order to think about moving Glenn. Graham would bring additional value because he would likely get a healthy enough contract this offseason (from another team) to net the Bills a '19 compensatory pick. Probably a 5th or 6th rounder in '19 if he were to sign a deal that paid him close to $5-$6M per season. A 3rd in '18, a 6th in '19 (comp. pick) & an 8 game rental of Jimmy Graham? For Cordy Glenn? Still not sure that's enough. a 2nd rounder in '18 instead of the 3rd OR an additional mid round pick, say a 4th in '19, might convince me. BTW if the Bills were to swing such a deal, I really think they are admitting they don't think they are a playoff team this yr. Might be tough news for Bills fans, but might also be the realistic one. Edited October 29, 2017 by Estro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Glenn for Graham straight up. Both have cap hits, but not being utilized. Both make immediate impacts for each team. Would you? Not a chance...have you seen Graham? he drops a lot of passes. i don't see why some want to trade Glenn....we don't have many good OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Seattle would need to add, like a lot. Like a 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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