LABILLBACKER Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Shaq is very good at the run defense. He's an upgrade from a player like Kelsay. He'll never be a big sack guy but he'll get a few each year. We're getting more out of him then we ever did from Maybin. Edited October 13, 2017 by LABILLBACKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaviorPeterman Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Shaq is very good at the run defense. He's an upgrade from a player like Kelsay. He'll never be a big sack guy but he'll get a few each year. Kelsay was a legendary drought player, Jaraun's 'lunch pail' classic player but sorely overrated. But yes at worse that's Lawson's floor, I think he'll end up being much better even if he's not a huge sack guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Nope. Not a horrible but a triple Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 A 300lbs guy is lean? Then who is fat or large? Which brings me to the question... why has no NFL team taken a flier on a 450 lbs sumo wrestler? They are athletes and agile. Their job is to not be moved from a point in space. At least bring one to camp... imagine trying to move that guy off of the center!! Sumo guy plays on 1st down only and goal line stands!!! We will see that some day. (Unless the concussion thing, etc., brings a radical rugby-style reform to the NFL.) I see no end to the ever increasing size of line players. When I was a kid in the 1970s DTs rarely went above 270. 1980s: Refrigerator Perry was an amusement at 330-350. 2010s: Dareus is listed at 331; no DT on the current roster is under 290. Again, unless the rules committee makes some kind of radical change, I predict we'll see the first high-300s guys within a decade, and then what's to stop Sumo guy?* *By the way, I also want to see the morbidly obese hockey goalie thing happen. Pro sports used to be so much more fun in the Bill Veek "hey let's bring in a dwarf" days ... now being a losing franchise is just dull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusher Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 This^ Lawson has been very solid. So the Kelsey comparison is valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Number 19 pick overall. I give him a pass last year because he was hurt. I get that. But through 5 games he has 2 sacks and 12 tackles. When I watch him he just seems really slow. Is it the system or is he just not that good? Really low output for such a high draft pick. Disappointed. If you dont understand technical aspects of football then sure I guess you could have this opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PABillsfan23 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 He's been awesome at setting the edge so far. No complaints here. Set that edge baby! The most overrated and overused phrase on this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Number 19 pick to "set the edge". Pathetic. Dominant pass rushers who can also defend the run and make an immediate impact rarely, if ever, fall into the bottom half of the first round --one went first overall last draft. And finding reliable starters with cap friendly contracts in the bottom half of the 1st round is what smart drafting is all about. Box score scouting get teams into trouble, especially when it comes to pass rushers, like when the bills took Aaron Maybin over Brian Orakpo because he had a higher sack numbers in his last year of college. By being able to set the edge Lawson can play all three downs, and still provide some pass rush. Not bad at all for a 19th pick. Edited October 13, 2017 by MURPHD6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Number 19 pick overall. I give him a pass last year because he was hurt. I get that. But through 5 games he has 2 sacks and 12 tackles. When I watch him he just seems really slow. Is it the system or is he just not that good? Really low output for such a high draft pick. Disappointed. Watch the game a little closer or get all-22. He is good. 4 games = 8 sacks a season. Very good for a known edge setter. But don't worry Whaley guys wear a scarlet letter shaped like a Star of David and likely not long for this team roster. Relax he will be an All Pro for the Chiefs or Eagles soon enough. And stop with the Whaley mistake bull ****. Whaley assembled a playoff roster and Rex blew up the defense stopping that result. Edited October 13, 2017 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Set that edge baby! The most overrated and overused phrase on this forum. You must not understand football to make such a statement. When the edge isn't properly set it means outside contain is lost and that leads to the defense getting gashed for big gains by an opponent's run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 You must not understand football to make such a statement. When the edge isn't properly set it means outside contain is lost and that leads to the defense getting gashed for big gains by an opponent's run game. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don't...its like I want to bang my head into the wall reading some of the nonsense people say that has no basis in reality if they had small amounts of technical knowledge of things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 People forget he's basically a rookie NFL defensive End. He's never player 4-3 end in his career, college or pros. Coaching staff has already said he needs work as a pass rusher but that it's coming to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Unfortunately there are a lot of people who don't...its like I want to bang my head into the wall reading some of the nonsense people say that has no basis in reality if they had small amounts of technical knowledge of things It's an essential and fundamental aspect of playing the position. How that is lost on anyone with a semblance of understanding I don't know and to post it with such confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 He's a good player. Probably not going to be a superstar but solid starting role player. This is good enough for me. He does his job and fills a role. It is about more than just the number of sacks. It is about making the team as a whole better, which he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 if you told me shaq would play like this the rest of his career....id be very happy. He may not get those sexy plays....but hes makes an impact against the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I personally think he should go by Shaquille. That's his only mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Didn't he come out earlier in the year and say he did NOT fit Rex's scheme and he didn't know why they had drafted him? He seems to feel he fits the current scheme better. Yes i thought this too. He said he had no clue why he was drafted into a 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Yet another Whaley gem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) You must not understand football to make such a statement. When the edge isn't properly set it means outside contain is lost and that leads to the defense getting gashed for big gains by an opponent's run game. Thanks Edited October 13, 2017 by BillsEnthusiast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Dude, you need to stop box score scouting. Actually box score scouting would be flattering.......he has more sacks this year than times he's actually touched a QB. Being an edge setting DE is a nice occupation............Courtney Upshaw has been doing it for Baltimore and Atlanta for years and he makes around $1.2-$1.5M per year.......signs year to year contracts............that's good for a first round pick........amirite? Bottom line..........if he can't be a productive pass rusher Shaq will not be worth very much to NFL teams.............and being the closest guy when a QB runs out of bounds near the LOS or touching a QB's foot after he is down.......how he got his sacks this season........... is not really the kind of pass rush production that sets you apart. Edited October 13, 2017 by #BADOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I can't believe this guy isn't Bruce Smith 2.0; he was the 19th pick! BUST!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Pathetic. You sure you didn't join TSW in March 2017? It sure seems like it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) I can't believe this guy isn't Bruce Smith 2.0; he was the 19th pick! BUST!!! Ogbah taken after Shaq has 7.5 career sacks to Shaq's 4. There have been many historical pass rushers taken in the late first/early second who have had more success than Shaq. Edited October 13, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 A 300lbs guy is lean? Then who is fat or large? Which brings me to the question... why has no NFL team taken a flier on a 450 lbs sumo wrestler? They are athletes and agile. Their job is to not be moved from a point in space. At least bring one to camp... imagine trying to move that guy off of the center!! Sumo guy plays on 1st down only and goal line stands!!! Washington is not pudge. He's just a big dude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Ogbah taken after Shaq has 7.5 career sacks to Shaq's 4. There have been many historical pass rushers taken in the late first/early second who have had more success than Shaq. in his half year of play and through 4 games your trying to make this determination......seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBilliever Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Cocaine is a hell of a drug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 in his half year of play and through 4 games your trying to make this determination......seriously? He's played 14 games. That was enough to determine EJ blew chunks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 in his half year of play and through 4 games your trying to make this determination......seriously? He is being serious. Here's another example....look at this thread he created. https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/196392-the-smokin-jay-thread/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Number 19 pick overall. I give him a pass last year because he was hurt. I get that. But through 5 games he has 2 sacks and 12 tackles. When I watch him he just seems really slow. Is it the system or is he just not that good? Really low output for such a high draft pick. Disappointed. Having played 4 games that's 8 sacks and 48 tackles pacing. In 2016 that's 8th in sacks and 2nd in tackles among all defensive lineman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Grades out as a very strong run stopper/edge setter. He may not ever have the flash you want but is still valuable as 1/11th. He was an AWFUL fit in the old scheme. Not a star in any scheme, but he a solid 4-3 end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 My greatest fear realized, I've become Americanized. I would have thought it'd be Merkel and the rest of the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Yet another Whaley gem. Yet another guy who doesn't understand fundamentals of football... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Having played 4 games that's 8 sacks and 48 tackles pacing. In 2016 that's 8th in sacks and 2nd in tackles among all defensive lineman Just lock the thread right here. Nothing more needs to be said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Number 19 pick overall. I give him a pass last year because he was hurt. I get that. But through 5 games he has 2 sacks and 12 tackles. When I watch him he just seems really slow. Is it the system or is he just not that good? Really low output for such a high draft pick. Disappointed. You're not watching the games then. Shaq has been a great edge setter on this D and is great in run support. Number 19 pick should be a starter, not some automatic superstar. You, like many on this board, have much too thick rose colored glasses when it comes to the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Just lock the thread right here. Nothing more needs to be said... Having played 4 games that's 8 sacks and 48 tackles pacing. In 2016 that's 8th in sacks and 2nd in tackles among all defensive lineman That sounds all well and good, but 2016 was an aberrational year for sacks in general. In 2015, 8 sacks would've been a 5 way tie at 22nd in sacks. In 2014, 8 sacks would've been a 6 way tie at 26th in sacks. In 2013, 8 sacks would've been a 6 way tie at 36th in sacks. Edit: whoops, you're comparing Shaq versus a much smaller sample size. Shaq with 8 sacks would've still been a 9 way tie at 22nd in sacks in 2016. Edited October 13, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 the defense isn't the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Miner Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 When Shaq is the biggest problem this team has I'll see you at the Superbowl victory celebration party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Having played 4 games that's 8 sacks and 48 tackles pacing. In 2016 that's 8th in sacks and 2nd in tackles among all defensive lineman You've been watching him play..........do you honestly feel he was on his way to 8 sacks this year? In a fraction of the playing time street free agent Eddie Yarborough has put more pressure on the QB. This is a pass rusher friendly scheme. When Shaq is the biggest problem this team has I'll see you at the Superbowl victory celebration party. Well, first rounders are the focus of "bust" talk.........so if they get rid of Dareus the only two original first rounders left to disappoint will be 3D and Shaq. By your formula: CHAMPIONSHIP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 That sounds all well and good, but 2016 was an aberrational year for sacks in general. In 2015, 8 sacks would've been a 5 way tie at 22nd in sacks. In 2014, 8 sacks would've been a 6 way tie at 26th in sacks. In 2013, 8 sacks would've been a 6 way tie at 36th in sacks. You're counting total sacks from all positions. Among just D-linemen, it would have ranked as follows: 16th in 2015 15th in 2014 20th in 2013... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) You're counting total sacks from all positions. Among just D-linemen, it would have ranked as follows: 16th in 2015 15th in 2014 20th in 2013... Why would we not? Our 19th pick wasn't contingent on drafting DL only. You've been watching him play..........do you honestly feel he was on his way to 8 sacks this year? In a fraction of the playing time street free agent Eddie Yarborough has put more pressure on the QB. This is a pass rusher friendly scheme. Well, first rounders are the focus of "bust" talk.........so if they get rid of Dareus the only two original first rounders left to disappoint will be 3D and Shaq. By your formula: CHAMPIONSHIP! Can't have any first round busts on your team if you cut them all. Edited October 13, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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