bobobonators Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1. We gave up a 2015 1st round pick and 2015 4th round pick to move up and get Watkins. He is gone 3yrs later and missed like 30% of his games. 2. Cyrus was our 2nd round pick in 2014. He is an abomination. 3. Our first pick in 2015 was 2nd round pick Darby. He is gone 2 years later. 4. Our 2nd pick in 2015, 3rd rounder John Miller, is barely a starter and may get beat out by Ducasse, who is horrible. 5. Our 3rd pick in 2015, 5th rounder Karlos Williams isn't even in the NFL anymore. So to recap: We missed on our 2014 1st round pick; we gave up our 2015 1st round pick; we missed on our 2014 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 3rd round pick. The 2014-2015 draft classes have set this team back at least 5 years. A blind monkey could have thrown darts at the draft board and had more success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We are seeing the results of cleaning up a previous regimes mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 By this time next year every single Marone/Ryan era player will be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I'm ready to sit there and watch the first year of a three year serious rebuilding plan. I think it's the 6th one now (a few didn't quite get to Year Three) Official space helmet on, Captain Video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 And people were upset that Doug is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 And people were upset that Doug is gone. I trusted Donohoe when he said the team was on the right train tracks to playoff success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) It's not Doug Whaley's fault that none of the players he drafted are here - his fans, probably. Edited August 28, 2017 by jmc12290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) 1. We gave up a 2015 1st round pick and 2015 4th round pick to move up and get Watkins. He is gone 3yrs later and missed like 30% of his games. 2. Cyrus was our 2nd round pick in 2014. He is an abomination. 3. Our first pick in 2015 was 2nd round pick Darby. He is gone 2 years later. 4. Our 2nd pick in 2015, 3rd rounder John Miller, is barely a starter and may get beat out by Ducasse, who is horrible. 5. Our 3rd pick in 2015, 5th rounder Karlos Williams isn't even in the NFL anymore. So to recap: We missed on our 2014 1st round pick; we gave up our 2015 1st round pick; we missed on our 2014 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 3rd round pick. The 2014-2015 draft classes have set this team back at least 5 years. A blind monkey could have thrown darts at the draft board and had more success. 11 games out of 48. 23%. I really find it hard to believe that Ducasse is beating out Miller by any legit metric. I think Ducasse has nasty pictures of Castillo or something. Please, when coaching that "blind monkey", please train it to throw darts that will take into account 3 coaching changes in <5 years Edited August 28, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishDave Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1. We gave up a 2015 1st round pick and 2015 4th round pick to move up and get Watkins. He is gone 3yrs later and missed like 30% of his games. 2. Cyrus was our 2nd round pick in 2014. He is an abomination. 3. Our first pick in 2015 was 2nd round pick Darby. He is gone 2 years later. 4. Our 2nd pick in 2015, 3rd rounder John Miller, is barely a starter and may get beat out by Ducasse, who is horrible. 5. Our 3rd pick in 2015, 5th rounder Karlos Williams isn't even in the NFL anymore. So to recap: We missed on our 2014 1st round pick; we gave up our 2015 1st round pick; we missed on our 2014 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 3rd round pick. The 2014-2015 draft classes have set this team back at least 5 years. A blind monkey could have thrown darts at the draft board and had more success. And we had BOB WOODS and he was !@#$ing CRAZY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1. We gave up a 2015 1st round pick and 2015 4th round pick to move up and get Watkins. He is gone 3yrs later and missed like 30% of his games. 2. Cyrus was our 2nd round pick in 2014. He is an abomination. 3. Our first pick in 2015 was 2nd round pick Darby. He is gone 2 years later. 4. Our 2nd pick in 2015, 3rd rounder John Miller, is barely a starter and may get beat out by Ducasse, who is horrible. 5. Our 3rd pick in 2015, 5th rounder Karlos Williams isn't even in the NFL anymore. So to recap: We missed on our 2014 1st round pick; we gave up our 2015 1st round pick; we missed on our 2014 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 3rd round pick. The 2014-2015 draft classes have set this team back at least 5 years. A blind monkey could have thrown darts at the draft board and had more success. On the bright side, if we didn't select Sammy, we were enamored with Eric Ebron. LOL, LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We are seeing the results of cleaning up a previous regimes mess. Yep. I'm all for it, keep sweepin' it away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1. We gave up a 2015 1st round pick and 2015 4th round pick to move up and get Watkins. He is gone 3yrs later and missed like 30% of his games. 2. Cyrus was our 2nd round pick in 2014. He is an abomination. 3. Our first pick in 2015 was 2nd round pick Darby. He is gone 2 years later. 4. Our 2nd pick in 2015, 3rd rounder John Miller, is barely a starter and may get beat out by Ducasse, who is horrible. 5. Our 3rd pick in 2015, 5th rounder Karlos Williams isn't even in the NFL anymore. So to recap: We missed on our 2014 1st round pick; we gave up our 2015 1st round pick; we missed on our 2014 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 3rd round pick. The 2014-2015 draft classes have set this team back at least 5 years. A blind monkey could have thrown darts at the draft board and had more success. Those bad drafts along with this are the reason why this team continually fails to produce a winner: https://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/195696-ralph-set-this-team-back-with-his-trust-issues/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Yep. I'm all for it, keep sweepin' it away! yup. A huge mess of Whaley Fans on the BBMB would scream he never had any decisions to make (and therefore no responsibility) his entire time at OBD, but gleefully gave him credit for the good things the he apparently arranged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Hello! @IanKenyonNFL What the bills are doing would make a lot more sense if they were trading aging vets instead of good 22-23 year old players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 yup. A huge mess of Whaley Fans on the BBMB would scream he never had any decisions to make (and therefore no responsibility) his entire time at OBD, but gleefully gave him credit for the good things the he apparently arranged. Whaley was good at signing FA's, but was terrible with draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1. We gave up a 2015 1st round pick and 2015 4th round pick to move up and get Watkins. He is gone 3yrs later and missed like 30% of his games. 2. Cyrus was our 2nd round pick in 2014. He is an abomination. 3. Our first pick in 2015 was 2nd round pick Darby. He is gone 2 years later. 4. Our 2nd pick in 2015, 3rd rounder John Miller, is barely a starter and may get beat out by Ducasse, who is horrible. 5. Our 3rd pick in 2015, 5th rounder Karlos Williams isn't even in the NFL anymore. So to recap: We missed on our 2014 1st round pick; we gave up our 2015 1st round pick; we missed on our 2014 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 3rd round pick. The 2014-2015 draft classes have set this team back at least 5 years. A blind monkey could have thrown darts at the draft board and had more success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Hello! @IanKenyonNFL What the bills are doing would make a lot more sense if they were trading aging vets instead of good 22-23 year old players Hogwash!!! Edited August 28, 2017 by BringBackFergy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1. We gave up a 2015 1st round pick and 2015 4th round pick to move up and get Watkins. He is gone 3yrs later and missed like 30% of his games. 2. Cyrus was our 2nd round pick in 2014. He is an abomination. 3. Our first pick in 2015 was 2nd round pick Darby. He is gone 2 years later. 4. Our 2nd pick in 2015, 3rd rounder John Miller, is barely a starter and may get beat out by Ducasse, who is horrible. 5. Our 3rd pick in 2015, 5th rounder Karlos Williams isn't even in the NFL anymore. So to recap: We missed on our 2014 1st round pick; we gave up our 2015 1st round pick; we missed on our 2014 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 3rd round pick. The 2014-2015 draft classes have set this team back at least 5 years. A blind monkey could have thrown darts at the draft board and had more success. Let's not forget our 2013 first round pick. Those 4 drafts should have produced the cornerstones of the current team . They produced zero. This is a tear down / rebuild regardless of what the FO would like us to believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 We are seeing the results of cleaning up a previous regimes mess. Amen. Just gotta be patient as the rest of the dead wood is finally removed, like say Dareus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Hello! @IanKenyonNFL What the bills are doing would make a lot more sense if they were trading aging vets instead of good 22-23 year old players I would agree with this. Wouldn't it be easier to keep those players and figure out what to do with one guy( Dareus) in a year or so? I mean,MD is the reason why they are running a 4-3. Not an aging KW, not JH , heck not even SL. Essentially they are purging talent to keep Dareus as a 4-3 DT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Here's the star-studded cast left from '14-'16: kevon seymour jonathan williams adolphus washington shaq lawson John Miller Nick O'Leary Dezmin Lewis Preston Brown Seantrel Henderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HT02 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 It is a mess and it seems more and more that Beane and McDermott are determined to get rid of anyone they didn't bring in. I still can't understand how Watkins and Darby specifically wouldn't be helpful long-term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 These are all examples of how bad we were. Everyone was too busy defending Whaley's every move to even consider the fact that he had no idea what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 11 games out of 48. 23%. I really find it hard to believe that Ducasse is beating out Miller by any legit metric. I think Ducasse has nasty pictures of Castillo or something. Please, when coaching that "blind monkey", please train it to throw darts that will take into account 3 coaching changes in <5 years You would hope that players selected in the first 2 rounds have enough talent to survive a coaching change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Amen. Just gotta be patient as the rest of the dead wood is finally removed, like say Dareus. Really they could have kept everyone else and figured out Dareus. He's the sole reason to run a 4-3 at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Hello! @IanKenyonNFL What the bills are doing would make a lot more sense if they were trading aging vets instead of good 22-23 year old players You, Rex and this guy might be the only three folks who think Ragnuts is "good." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 You aren't going to mention the 2013 class none of which are on the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb62 Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Just don't let anyone trade future draft picks. If all else fails at least there are cookies in the jar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Why would a new coach keep together a defense that was terrible? Every team in NFL without a QB goes through what the Bills are going through. Just sucks that we haven't had a QB to build around in 20 years and go through this every 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted August 28, 2017 Author Share Posted August 28, 2017 Watkins, Darby, Ragland are all under 24. No sure how theyre dead weight. But instead we extend Eric Wood? I love Wood but hes no longer what he used to be. You aren't going to mention the 2013 class none of which are on the team? Haha. Go for it. I lost steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 You, Rex and this guy might be the only three folks who think Ragnuts is "good." I think you are being harsh on Ragland. Most had second round grade , some even first Rd on the guy. He had a serious knee injury and isn't all the way back. By all accounts was looking very good in camp pre injury . It's a bit unfair to say he's had a chance to even show what he can do at full health Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 So if a player is traded they were a bad draft pick? That's very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 You aren't going to mention the 2013 class none of which are on the team?Damn...and I didn't think I could feel any sicker about our draft history under Nix/Whaley. This is a clear re-build and long term plan. Love it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I think you are being harsh on Ragland. Most had second round grade , some even first Rd on the guy. He had a serious knee injury and isn't all the way back. By all accounts was looking very good in camp pre injury . It's a bit unfair to say he's had a chance to even show what he can do at full health Then, at best, he's an unknown. Good? Not a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Why would a new coach keep together a defense that was terrible? Every team in NFL without a QB goes through what the Bills are going through. Just sucks that we haven't had a QB to build around in 20 years and go through this every 3 years. The Bills haven't gone through a purge of recent high picks like this in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 1. We gave up a 2015 1st round pick and 2015 4th round pick to move up and get Watkins. He is gone 3yrs later and missed like 30% of his games. 2. Cyrus was our 2nd round pick in 2014. He is an abomination. 3. Our first pick in 2015 was 2nd round pick Darby. He is gone 2 years later. 4. Our 2nd pick in 2015, 3rd rounder John Miller, is barely a starter and may get beat out by Ducasse, who is horrible. 5. Our 3rd pick in 2015, 5th rounder Karlos Williams isn't even in the NFL anymore. So to recap: We missed on our 2014 1st round pick; we gave up our 2015 1st round pick; we missed on our 2014 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 2nd round pick; we missed on our 2015 3rd round pick. The 2014-2015 draft classes have set this team back at least 5 years. A blind monkey could have thrown darts at the draft board and had more success. Bills should fire the GM responsible for all of those terrible decisions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Damn...and I didn't think I could feel any sicker about our draft history under Nix/Whaley. This is a clear re-build and long term plan. Love it!! But is it smart? Many of the players were high picks. The picks received are low. The long term plan may not be better than keeping the young players and running a system that works for them. Maybe jettisoning just a Dareus and some aging vets like Wood and Kyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) It's a miracle that the Bills' record for the last three seasons is 24-24 with such horrible talent acquisition. Edited August 28, 2017 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Then, at best, he's an unknown. Good? Not a chance. So there is no chance that Ragland is a good NFL player? I'll guess that scouts and draftniks know a little more than you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 So there is no chance that Ragland is a good NFL player? I'll guess that scouts and draftniks know a little more than you do. KC sees him as a possible heir apparent to Derrick Johnson. We'll find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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