Panthers Fire GM Dave Gettleman

[White Linen]

Just focus on the last sentence. Those 7 states are the whole list. If anyone tells you differently they are lying. Associating NC with the South is like associating Buffalo with NYC. They can put whatever discriminatory laws they want in place but they are still a far cry from the general disdain for those who are different that those other states share.

 

I'm not understanding what your saying. Why are you saying NC isn't the south?

[JackKemp]

A couple of things:

 

- Beane got in the life boat on the Titanic instead of playing as the ship was going down. He's basically Kool & the Gang from Steve Harvey's set in Original Kings of Comesy. That's a good decision.

 

- Secondly someone wondered if he'd go back to Carolina because he lived in the South his whole life. North Carolina isn't the south it's the Mid-Atlantic at best. Here's a quick guide to determining, "is that the South?" If the state university plays in the SEC it's a yes with a couple of exceptions. Kentucky is too far north, Missouri is too far mid-west and Florida is its own little world. Texas functions like Florida. That leaves South Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana as "the south."

 

Besides North Carolina's name has north in it. It isn't a part of the south.

[Buffalo Boy]

Cleaning house to sell???

[cba fan]

A couple of things:

- Secondly someone wondered if he'd go back to Carolina because he lived in the South his whole life. North Carolina isn't the south it's the Mid-Atlantic at best. Here's a quick guide to determining, "is that the South?" If the state university plays in the SEC it's a yes with a couple of exceptions. Kentucky is too far north, Missouri is too far mid-west and Florida is its own little world. Texas functions like Florida. That leaves South Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana as "the south."

 

How about if he wants to go back to NC because he was born, raised, grew up, went to college in, and lived in NC his whole life.

 

Does that make it a little easier as to why someone would wonder about it? Who cares if NC is part of the south or not? Even though it actually is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

Parts of NC are even considered part of the "deep south". When they were classified as south by way of civil war actions they knew nothing of SEC sports and football.

Edited July 17, 2017 by cba fan

[DJB]

Bills asst GM Schein in runing for the new Panthes GM job

[Kirby Jackson]

 

I'm not understanding what your saying. Why are you saying NC isn't the south?

It's not. South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama is it.

 

How about if he wants to go back to NC because he was born, raised, grew up, went to college in, and lived in NC his whole life.

 

Does that make it a little easier as to why someone would wonder about it? Who cares if NC is part of the south or not? Even though it actually is. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

Parts of NC are even considered part of the "deep south". When they were classified as south by way of civil war actions they knew nothing of SEC sports and football.

Being from NC is fine. I was just responding to someone that said "he spent his whole life in the South." The South doesn't consider NC a part of the South.

 

I'm simply giving a quick geography lesson and how the South views things. Having spent a decade now in the South I have a pretty good take. I spent the first 26 years in the North so I know how they view things.

Edited July 17, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

It's not. South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama is it.

Being from NC is fine. I was just responding to someone that said "he spent his whole life in the South." The South doesn't consider NC a part of the South.

 

I'm simply giving a quick geography lesson and how the South views things. Having spent a decade now in the South I have a pretty good take. I spent the first 26 years in the North so I know how they view things.

 

 

 

The Southern United States as defined by the United States Census Bureau.

• The South Atlantic States: Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia

 

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

Edited July 17, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[C.Biscuit97]

I must admit that crossed my mind. Tyrod and the 2 firsts? That's probably the cost.

Maybe we can use PFF and show Carolina that Tyrod is actually a better qb than Cam.

 

And was it him or the previous guy who seemed to be in love with rbs?

[26CornerBlitz]

@AdamSchefter

Two names to watch for Panthers GM job: Titans director of player personnel Ryan Cowden, Panthers director of player personnel Don Gregory.

[C.Biscuit97]

Just focus on the last sentence. Those 7 states are the whole list. If anyone tells you differently they are lying. Associating NC with the South is like associating Buffalo with NYC. They can put whatever discriminatory laws they want in place but they are still a far cry from the general disdain for those who are different that those other states share.

People in NC can read so it's definitely not a true Southern state!

[Chandler#81]

 

You mean the kind of franchise that has MVPs, Players of the Year, Rookies of the Year and goes to the playoffs, including a super bowl?

 

Who wants to emulate THAT?!!?

 

the NFCS hasn't had a repeat Division Champ since 2002. Yes, they've made the playoffs and the Super Bowl, but as a franchise, they're erratic. The Pats* and -well us and NYJ & MIA are the model of consistency.

[C.Biscuit97]

 

@AdamSchefter

 

Two names to watch for Panthers GM job: Titans director of player personnel Ryan Cowden, Panthers director of player personnel Don Gregory.

Can a guy be the GM for 2 teams? I'm worried about Beane.

[kirkwoodus13]

Now the truth finally starts to come out. apparently Mcdermett didn't have to recruit Beane as hard to leaves as we have lead to believe. If Beane was any good or as valuable as being portrayed he would have never been allowed to leave for the bills. He only has the bills job because of his relationship with the coach. First time GM, First time head coach, both learning on the job together. I hope this work out for us bills fan.

[HappyDays]

Maybe we can use PFF and show Carolina that Tyrod is actually a better qb than Cam.

 

And was it him or the previous guy who seemed to be in love with rbs?

Panthers fans are about as divided on Cam as we are on Tyrod. You could probably find some fans on their forum that have the "unpopular opinion" that Tyrod would be better than Cam moving forward. We aren't the only fan base that debates our QB past the point of sanity!

[Roundybout]

Now the truth finally starts to come out. apparently Mcdermett didn't have to recruit Beane as hard to leaves as we have lead to believe. If Beane was any good or as valuable as being portrayed he would have never been allowed to leave for the bills. He only has the bills job because of his relationship with the coach. First time GM, First time head coach, both learning on the job together. I hope this work out for us bills fan.

Oh come on now.

[26CornerBlitz]

@NFLMedia

Panthers play-by-play announcer Mick Mixon joined @nflnetwork earlier to discuss the firing of GM Dave Gettleman: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000820268/Panthers-play-by-play-announcer-shocked-by-Gettleman-firing

[White Linen]

It's not. South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama is it.

Being from NC is fine. I was just responding to someone that said "he spent his whole life in the South." The South doesn't consider NC a part of the South.

 

I'm simply giving a quick geography lesson and how the South views things. Having spent a decade now in the South I have a pretty good take. I spent the first 26 years in the North so I know how they view things.

 

I'm not sure if you're referring to people outside of NC considering it the South or the folks from here. I can tell you the people here definitely consider themselves southerners.

[Kirby Jackson]

 

• The South Atlantic States: Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia

 

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_United_States

I don't care how the census bureau defines the South. I'm telling you how the South defines the South. This is knowledge that you can't learn in a textbook. Much like Buffalo is more similar to the Midwest than NY the South is those 7 states regardless of how others define it. Anything to the contrary is an alternative fact. You'll hear things like "Deep South" which is ultimately means that they cling strongest to their southern values and roots. No one in those states uses Deep South to differentiate from places like NC. That's just consider NC with Maryland, DC and Virginia. Virginia is the 6th most educated state for crying out loud. That's not the South. If you include Kentucky with those other 7 states they rank 23 (Georgia), 35, 41, 44, 46, 47, 48 & 49 in terms of education. Kentucky is the love child of the Midwest and the south.

 

I'm kind of half joking with this but not at the same time. North Carolina, Virginia, etc... much more closely identify with the North than the South at this point. Within those 7 states Atlanta, New Orleans, Memphis and Nashville would probably share similarities with places like Charlotte. If you were to drive an hour in any direction though from any of those cities you'd see a vastly different world.

 

I'm not sure if you're referring to people outside of NC considering it the South or the folks from here. I can tell you the people here definitely consider themselves southerners.

Ha ha, that's why it's a funny conversation. I bet Virginia (or at least the parts not surrounding D.C.) feel the same. The people in SEC territory think differently. It's kind of funny.

[Chandler#81]

I've never heard of Arkansas -or Oklahoma referred to as the south. Mid/Mid West.

[eball]

 

@NFLMedia

Panthers play-by-play announcer Mick Mixon joined @nflnetwork earlier to discuss the firing of GM Dave Gettleman: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap3000000820268/Panthers-play-by-play-announcer-shocked-by-Gettleman-firing

 

 

It struck me as odd that Mixon refers to the organization as "we" -- I mean, yes, I know he's an employee, but he's not making front office decisions. You'd think he would say "we" when he's talking about the radio crew.

[Kirby Jackson]

I've never heard of Arkansas -or Oklahoma referred to as the south. Mid/Mid West.

Arkansas and Mississippi are virtually the same place. I don't care for either of them.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

It struck me as odd that Mixon refers to the organization as "we" -- I mean, yes, I know he's an employee, but he's not making front office decisions. You'd think he would say "we" when he's talking about the radio crew.

 

I get the point you're making, but technically he's right since Jerry Richardson signs his check too.

[cba fan]

It's not. South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama is it.

Being from NC is fine. I was just responding to someone that said "he spent his whole life in the South." The South doesn't consider NC a part of the South.

 

I'm simply giving a quick geography lesson and how the South views things. Having spent a decade now in the South I have a pretty good take. I spent the first 26 years in the North so I know how they view things.

NC is classified as the south and parts of it are considered part of the deep south. Saying some in the south do not view NC as part of the south is local current opinion and not historically accurate.(It would be like Germans thinking old East Germany is not part of Germany) and just because an area like Buffalo has a Midwest culture does not make it part of the Midwest.

 

South Geography and civil war actions/history say otherwise. States north of NC are considered part of the south. CSA=NC=south.

Edited July 17, 2017 by cba fan

[Kirby Jackson]

It is pretty amazing how all of these formal Panthers are throwing Molotov Cocktails at Gettleman on the way out. They are taking a lot of joy in his dismissal. This reminds me a little bit of the George Karl situation in Sacramento when the players were tweeting 🐍 in the grass.

[eball]

 

I get the point you're making, but technically he's right since Jerry Richardson signs his check too.

 

It's a weird interview...the play-by-play guy saying "we're not the type of team to make personnel changes willy nilly" when he has also admitted the news "shocked" him so he's clearly not a part of that process.

 

I think pretty typically the radio guys address front office decisions as coming from "the team."

 

Not a big deal, obviously, but it did really strike me as odd.

 

I mean, have you ever heard Chris Brown or John Murphy use "we" when talking about the Bills? A little too folksy for my taste.

Edited July 17, 2017 by eball

[aristocrat]

north carolina is definitely considered the south. not even in the discussion of being a northern state.

[cba fan]

 

It's a weird interview...the play-by-play guy saying "we're not the type of team to make personnel changes willy nilly" when he has also admitted the news "shocked" him so he's clearly not a part of that process.

 

I think pretty typically the radio guys address front office decisions as coming from "the team."

 

Not a big deal, obviously, but it did really strike me as odd.

 

I mean, have you ever heard Chris Brown or John Murphy use "we" when talking about the Bills? A little too folksy for my taste.

That is a "southern" trait.

[Kirby Jackson]

NC is classified as the south and parts of it are considered part of the deep south. Saying some in the south do not view NC as part of the south is local current opinion and not historically accurate.(It would be like Germans thinking old East Germany is not part of Germany) South Geography and civil war actions/history say otherwise. States north of NC are considered part of the south. CSA=NC=south.

At one point Uzbekistan was a part of the Soviet Union as well. As time has changed values and culture evolves. Not everywhere evolves at the same rate. I' telling you how it's viewed in "the Deep South" where evolution has happened at a slower pace. I've been here a decade, in a city which is much more northern than the outskirts and I've never met a person in those states that associates NC (or Virginia for that matter) with them. A lot include Florida, I don't because it's a whole different world. There are parts of Florida that are like the South but other parts that are totally independent (like Miami).

[PromoTheRobot]

north carolina is definitely considered the south. not even in the discussion of being a northern state.

 

I just drove through a lot of it to get to the beach. It's definitely the south.

[BuffaloHokie13]

I don't care how the census bureau defines the South. I'm telling you how the South defines the South. This is knowledge that you can't learn in a textbook. Much like Buffalo is more similar to the Midwest than NY the South is those 7 states regardless of how others define it. Anything to the contrary is an alternative fact. You'll hear things like "Deep South" which is ultimately means that they cling strongest to their southern values and roots. No one in those states uses Deep South to differentiate from places like NC. That's just consider NC with Maryland, DC and Virginia. Virginia is the 6th most educated state for crying out loud. That's not the South. If you include Kentucky with those other 7 states they rank 23 (Georgia), 35, 41, 44, 46, 47, 48 & 49 in terms of education. Kentucky is the love child of the Midwest and the south.

 

I'm kind of half joking with this but not at the same time. North Carolina, Virginia, etc... much more closely identify with the North than the South at this point. Within those 7 states Atlanta, New Orleans, Memphis and Nashville would probably share similarities with places like Charlotte. If you were to drive an hour in any direction though from any of those cities you'd see a vastly different world.

Ha ha, that's why it's a funny conversation. I bet Virginia (or at least the parts not surrounding D.C.) feel the same. The people in SEC territory think differently. It's kind of funny.

IMO VA and NC are the South, and the 7 states you referred to are the Deep South (which is it's own thing, for certain).

[Kirby Jackson]

north carolina is definitely considered the south. not even in the discussion of being a northern state.

That's the exact opposite perspective that you'd get in SEC country. That's my point. I was simply trying to contribute something that was new to a lot of people. My dad and brother in Buffalo would absolutely consider NC the South. My future brother-in-law and father-in-law in New Orleans would absolutely consider it a part of the North. Most people on here probably never realized that and that's why I shared.

 

I thought that it was interesting. I'm not trying I turn this into a debate. I'm telling you how people in those states view thing. Nick Saban is God or the devil (nothing in between). You cook with butter and fry everything. No one can compete with the SEC and you'd rather your SEC rival win than someone outside the conference. You own a gun (or lots of them). It's called "the War of Northern Aggression." College is optional still, college football is not. If you're a guy you drive a truck with a ducks unlimited sticker, you wear LOTS of camo, you wear LOTS of fishing shirts. You dress up for football games, you wear crokies and pastels. You have a hair cut like John Parker Wilson when you are 24. You dip and you don't take life too seriously. You have a simpler, more care-free existence.

 

I don't need to derail this any further. Just providing a different perspective as I've lived in 2 very different environments. Things that are held as common truths in one are exact opposites in another. Thought it was interesting, now back to Gettleman's fat face...

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

I don't care how the census bureau defines the South. I'm telling you how the South defines the South. This is knowledge that you can't learn in a textbook. Much like Buffalo is more similar to the Midwest than NY the South is those 7 states regardless of how others define it. Anything to the contrary is an alternative fact. You'll hear things like "Deep South" which is ultimately means that they cling strongest to their southern values and roots. No one in those states uses Deep South to differentiate from places like NC. That's just consider NC with Maryland, DC and Virginia. Virginia is the 6th most educated state for crying out loud. That's not the South. If you include Kentucky with those other 7 states they rank 23 (Georgia), 35, 41, 44, 46, 47, 48 & 49 in terms of education. Kentucky is the love child of the Midwest and the south.

 

I'm kind of half joking with this but not at the same time. North Carolina, Virginia, etc... much more closely identify with the North than the South at this point. Within those 7 states Atlanta, New Orleans, Memphis and Nashville would probably share similarities with places like Charlotte. If you were to drive an hour in any direction though from any of those cities you'd see a vastly different world.

Ha ha, that's why it's a funny conversation. I bet Virginia (or at least the parts not surrounding D.C.) feel the same. The people in SEC territory think differently. It's kind of funny.

 

 

I've lived in the south for over 30 years. I have family in NC. you may not care and are hell bent here, even denying the census. I hate to bust your balls but NC is considered a southern state.

 

 

I proved my point pretty clearly and have always thought of NC, as a southern state.

 

 

at the end of the day though, it's nothing to get in any real debate over.

 

 

 

you believe what you want man.

Edited July 17, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[abc]

Southern states = Those that were in the Confederacy. North Carolina is definitely southern.

Borderline states are those with slavery but still in the Union. Missouri, Maryland, Kentucky.

 

It was 150 years ago but still relevant today.

 

Not in any way making this racial, just the history of the country.

Edited July 17, 2017 by Sakman

[Kirby Jackson]

 

 

I've lived in the south for over 30 years. I have family in NC. you may not care and are hell bent here, even denying the census. I hate to bust your balls but NC is considered a southern state.

 

 

I proved my point pretty clearly and have always thought of NC, as a southern state.

 

 

at the end of the day though, it's nothing to get in any real debate over.

 

 

 

you believe what you want man.

I believed differently 10 years ago and maybe even 5 years ago. Hyperbole aside, I don't know people in Louisiana or Mississippi that consider NC the South. That was the point that I was making. It doesn't matter what the census bureau says. They only consider "the Deep South" the South. I can't speak for what the people in Virginia or NC think.

[BuffAlone]

It's not. South Carolina, Tennessee, Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama is it.

Being from NC is fine. I was just responding to someone that said "he spent his whole life in the South." The South doesn't consider NC a part of the South.

 

I'm simply giving a quick geography lesson and how the South views things. Having spent a decade now in the South I have a pretty good take. I spent the first 26 years in the North so I know how they view things.

I spent 20 years in Charlotte.Trust me...its the south. You can't find a more lethargic population. Dialect, movement, train of thought. ...its definately a southern state. And any local, born and raised, would put on the grey and fight you to the bitter end to prove their pride of their southern heritage!

P.s...Tennessee is due west of NC, not south

Edited July 17, 2017 by BuffAlone

[Punching Bag]

It is pretty amazing how all of these formal Panthers are throwing Molotov Cocktails at Gettleman on the way out. They are taking a lot of joy in his dismissal. This reminds me a little bit of the George Karl situation in Sacramento when the players were tweeting in the grass.

 

Anybody have a picture in your mind of players in tuxes throwing Molotov Cocktails after reading that?

[Kirby Jackson]

I vowed to move on but this was fun: https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/which-states-are-in-the-south/amp/

 

P.S: I apologize for the thread derailment but does anyone really give a crap about fat Dave Gettleman getting canned? I promise to stay on topic once camp starts. It's the offseason!!

[SectionC3]

I guess we see what we want to see...

I see starter - starter - starter - rotational player behind Star and Shortt - TBD...

It's really hard to call McCaffery a bust based on OTAs. In my view, at least.

[C.Biscuit97]

Panthers fans are about as divided on Cam as we are on Tyrod. You could probably find some fans on their forum that have the "unpopular opinion" that Tyrod would be better than Cam moving forward. We aren't the only fan base that debates our QB past the point of sanity!

Those fans are idiots. They are bashing a guy who has won a national championship, a headman, set rookie passing records, won a MVP with Ted Ginn as his #1 wr, & went to a SB. It's refreshing to know there are other dumb fans.

I spent 20 years in Charlotte.Trust me...its the south. You can't find a more lethargic population. Dialect, movement, train of thought. ...its definately a southern state. And any local, born and raised, would put on the grey and fight you to the bitter end to prove their pride of their southern heritage!

P.s...Tennessee is due west of NC, not south

Half of the people in Charlotte are from Ohio and Western NY!

[Ittakestime]

Reading the Carolina board lead me to believe that Gettleman was in charge of the cap. Sounds to me like we have Overdorf replacement.