Panthers Fire GM Dave Gettleman

[Gugny]

 

the NFCS hasn't had a repeat Division Champ since 2002. Yes, they've made the playoffs and the Super Bowl, but as a franchise, they're erratic. The Pats* and -well us and NYJ & MIA are the model of consistency.

 

HA!!!

[Manther]

Beane regretting his decision now?

 

Yeesh

I would think Beane considered this possibility and thought Buffalo was an overall better opportunity.

[3rdand12]

That's a hilarious thing to be ahead of the curve for. The Bills are experienced though. They should be better at determining when to fire a GM.

excellent sense of humor

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

There was a guy on the Bamonte Jones show late this afternoon, works for ESPN out of Charlotte, can't remember his name, but he basically that Gett was fired for all the reasons you state below. He said he's trying to make it all about the numbers and be cut throat like Belichick, but he doesn't have the rep to pull that off like Belichick has and that he's just been too cold to the players. He also mentioned some player was was released recently, can't recall the name but this guy was real well liked by Richardson. and felt that cutting this guy was the last straw and did him in.

 

He said he was brought in to be a numbers guy and make the cuts needed to straighten them out salary cap wise, but that's also been what did him in as he was too cold in his dealings.

 

He also talked how if Beane were still there, he'd likely been announced this afternoon already as the replacement.

 

 

There is talk here about there being blowback in the locker room for the way he handled the release of some good or well liked players
The Steve Smith release could have been handled better( though I liked it)
The release of Josh Norman also was handled weirdly, and was a disaster for the team. Then he cut Bene Benwikere and last years D backfield was brutal.
The o line hasn't gotten the attention it needed and Cam was running for his life last year.
Couple this with the fact that Jerry Richardson is a strange cat who likes to be boss and is a " Southern" guy dealing with a yankee who probably told JR what he really thought w/o sugar coating it.
This is a shock but understandable

[3rdand12]

 

I'm not understanding what your saying. Why are you saying NC isn't the south?

Maybe the North in Carolina gave it away ?

cryptic Jackson : )

[BuffAlone]

Those fans are idiots. They are bashing a guy who has won a national championship, a headman, set rookie passing records, won a MVP with Ted Ginn as his #1 wr, & went to a SB. It's refreshing to know there are other dumb fans.

 

Half of the people in Charlotte are from Ohio and Western NY!

There sure are alot of transplants,and they are mostly unwelcome! Thats why I said the locals. ..born and raised👍

[Poleshifter]

- Secondly someone wondered if he'd go back to Carolina because he lived in the South his whole life. North Carolina isn't the south it's the Mid-Atlantic at best. Here's a quick guide to determining, "is that the South?" If the state university plays in the SEC it's a yes with a couple of exceptions. Kentucky is too far north, Missouri is too far mid-west and Florida is its own little world. Texas functions like Florida. That leaves South Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana as "the south."

Sorry, Kirby, but that is a pretty goofy assessment of "What is the South". Based on SEC or not? Duh.

 

I have been living in NC for 2+ years now, and it is definitely "the South" despite all the Northern transplants due to jobs here.

 

Missouri is "the South without the hospitality".

[3rdand12]

Arkansas and Mississippi are virtually the same place. I don't care for either of them.

No Alabama and Mississippi are hte same state. Arkansas had Clintons. hah ha.

 

and always felt different to me. Much different than Georgia. Arkansas is Central US or middle ground

Panthers are getting weird. these major changes lead to what ?

Edited July 18, 2017 by 3rdand12

[Poleshifter]

 

A couple of things:

 

- Beane got in the life boat on the Titanic instead of playing as the ship was going down. He's basically Kool & the Gang from Steve Harvey's set in Original Kings of Comesy. That's a good decision.

 

- Secondly someone wondered if he'd go back to Carolina because he lived in the South his whole life. North Carolina isn't the south it's the Mid-Atlantic at best. Here's a quick guide to determining, "is that the South?" If the state university plays in the SEC it's a yes with a couple of exceptions. Kentucky is too far north, Missouri is too far mid-west and Florida is its own little world. Texas functions like Florida. That leaves South Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana as "the south."

 

Besides North Carolina's name has north in it. It isn't a part of the south.

 

 

That leaves South Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana as "the south."

 

Oops, you forgot to include South Dakota in the list.

[Kirby Jackson]

 

That leaves South Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana as "the south."

 

Oops, you forgot to include South Dakota in the list.

I didn't post that, jack kemp did. Edited July 18, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just announced on NFL.com

Pissed that Beane got away

[Kirby Jackson]

Sorry, Kirby, but that is a pretty goofy assessment of "What is the South". Based on SEC or not? Duh.

 

I have been living in NC for 2+ years now, and it is definitely "the South" despite all the Northern transplants due to jobs here.

 

Missouri is "the South without the hospitality".

As the 538 article would indicate NC definitely believes that they are the South. At 60% of the vote though they didn't get much love from the "Deep South." That's been my point the whole time!! I wasn't trying to debate. Different regions have different perspectives as to who falls into which region. It's even crazier in the Midwest apparently (at least according to 538). I've never lived in the Midwest so I can't provide any perspective. Having spent 26 years in the North and 10 years in the South I understand how each region perceives the South. That's what I was trying to bring to the table. Everyone that I know in Buffalo would say that NC is the South. Everyone that I know in Louisiana would say the opposite. Thought that it would make an interesting discussion. Edited July 18, 2017 by Kirby Jackson

[White Linen]

I vowed to move on but this was fun: https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/which-states-are-in-the-south/amp/

 

P.S: I apologize for the thread derailment but does anyone really give a crap about fat Dave Gettleman getting canned? I promise to stay on topic once camp starts. It's the offseason!!

 

At first I was like Kirby has lost his mind - but I get you now. Good stuff!

[H2o]

Quite the lesson in Geography fellas. NC is definitely considered the South just to throw in my two.

 

On the note of the firing, there has to be more to the story and I fully expect it to trickle out over the next couple of days. Other than the way Norman was handled he seems to have done a good job.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

DeAngelo Williams‏Verified account @DeAngeloRB 9m9 minutes ago

 

 

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I want to publicly say @Panthers is off my list of teams I won't play for due to the firing of that snake Dave gettleman!

 

Edited July 18, 2017 by Buffalo Barbarian

[Kirby Jackson]

Yeah, I always think of DeAngelo Williams as a smart veteran with an incredible reputation for his charitable efforts. If it were just Josh Norman you could chalk it up to sour grapes. Once Williams chimed in it carried a lot more weight. Gettleman doesn't seem to have many fans.

 

At first I was like Kirby has lost his mind - but I get you now. Good stuff!

Insert beer emoji

[YoloinOhio]

Has Beane hired him as assistant to the area scouts yet?

[Buffalo Boy]

People in NC can read so it's definitely not a true Southern state!

Only we northern transplants!!!

[Bronxbomber21]

Interesting then that our GM would leave to take his chance now, and then they fire the GM that was in front of him anyway

I was thinking the same thing I would've thought that the Panthers would've wanted to keep Beane if they were go to fire Gettlleman.

[manbeast]

Just focus on the last sentence. Those 7 states are the whole list. If anyone tells you differently they are lying. Associating NC with the South is like associating Buffalo with NYC. They can put whatever discriminatory laws they want in place but they are still a far cry from the general disdain for those who are different that those other states share.

That's a load of ****. I live in SC. I am also from western NY originally and can tell you that the western NY is far more racist than SC. Your statement is #FakeNews, and Buffalo is a lot like NYC and California I can see.

[Bronxbomber21]

Interesting then that our GM would leave to take his chance now, and then they fire the GM that was in front of him anyway

I was thinking the same thing I would've thought that the Panthers would've wanted to keep Beane if they were go to fire Gettlleman.

[Malazan]

their RB situation is pretty undefendable

 

what? Did you mean their offensive line?

[Kirby Jackson]

That's a load of ****. I live in SC. I am also from western NY originally and can tell you that the western NY is far more racist than SC. Your statement is #FakeNews, and Buffalo is a lot like NYC and California I can see.

I live in New Orleans, Louisiana. We just made national news as people fought to keep four Confederate monuments from being removed. It wasn't a few people either. I don't want to make this a political or racial thing so we will leave it there.

[Malazan]

I was thinking the same thing I would've thought that the Panthers would've wanted to keep Beane if they were go to fire Gettlleman.

 

It wasn't a planned firing. This was a spur of the moment owner decision.

 

Gettlemen was a hardliner (which is why some former players dislike him) business only type of guy. He jettisoned Steve Smith who had lost effectiveness, but wanted money on par with the best receivers. He wasn't nice about it.

 

He let Josh Norman go to sign a ridiculously bloated contract to a division rival. He wasn't nice about it.

 

Olsen, the tight end, wants to renegotiate his existing contract and was threatening to hold out (Rosenhaus). Gettlemen seemed disinclined to renegotiate an existing deal.

 

Thomas, a longtime heart and soul type player (think Fred Jackson), wants a long term contract that doesn't make sense because his play has declined, he has 3 torn ACLs, and is 34. Gettlemen is apparently not a nice guy and wasn't going to give it to him. The owner calls Thomas part of the family and wants it done.

 

Thus Gettlemen is gone and Thomas will get a new contract.

Edited July 18, 2017 by jeremy2020

[manbeast]

 

I'm not understanding what your saying. Why are you saying NC isn't the south?

Because he doesn't realize the Mason Dixon line is the southern border of PA and generally accepted as the dividing line of the north and south.

[Kirby Jackson]

Does anyone have some concerns that they just let Beane walk and then fired Gettleman? If they loved Beane wouldn't you have expected them to drop Gettleman and keep him? It's kind of like when the Bucs fired Lovie so that they could keep Koetter.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Does anyone have some concerns that they just let Beane walk and then fired Gettleman? If they loved Beane wouldn't you have expected them to drop Gettleman and keep him? It's kind of like when the Bucs fired Lovie so that they could keep Koetter.

2 sides to this coin.

 

1) Hearing Gettleman's fate had a lot to do with recent interactions with Greg Olson and how a potential rework was or wasn't progressing, so more recent that Beane's departure.

2) Hearing that Beane has followed in Gettleman's lowabll footsteps so far. Worth keeping an eye on, I suppose.

[manbeast]

I live in New Orleans, Louisiana. We just made national news as people fought to keep four Confederate monuments from being removed. It wasn't a few people either. I don't want to make this a political or racial thing so we will leave it there.

You already did. Here's a secret the civil war wasn't about slavery check your real history. But after this I won't bother you with anymore facts nor will I continue this conversation but for the record you guys turned it into a race discussion. Before you go accusing me of being a hater and a homophobic racist my boyfriend is Black and I am a white male.

[Malazan]

Does anyone have some concerns that they just let Beane walk and then fired Gettleman? If they loved Beane wouldn't you have expected them to drop Gettleman and keep him? It's kind of like when the Bucs fired Lovie so that they could keep Koetter.

 

I explained this two posts above yours. It's also all over the coverage of him being fired. There were no plans to fire Gettlemen. Owner made a spur of the moment decision while Gettlemen was on vacation.

[Kirby Jackson]

You already did. Here's a secret the civil war wasn't about slavery check your real history. But after this I won't bother you with anymore facts nor will I continue this conversation but for the record you guys turned it into a race discussion. Before you go accusing me of being a hater and a homophobic racist my boyfriend is Black and I am a white male.

I didn't make this a race thing and am not accusing you of that either. I've found my time in the South to be eye opening. I can't speak for your experiences but there is A LOT of hate here. I do a lot of work in Mississippi and it's even worse. There is a lot of distrust and it was magnified with the fight over the monuments. Crime rates here have been rising like crazy and it's furthered the divide.

 

If anyone interpreted this as any sort of political statement I apologize. I took one shot at NC with the bathroom bill. The ENTIRE point that I was trying to make is that different regions have a different perspective as to whom belongs where. Louisianan's have a different perspective as to what states comprise the South than New Yorkers. Those are the people that I can speak for. Thought that it was interesting because before I moved to Louisiana it never crossed my mind that NC or Virginia would be considered the North. Once I got here people were like "um, no, that's not the South."

 

I explained this two posts above yours. It's also all over the coverage of him being fired. There were no plans to fire Gettlemen. Owner made a spur of the moment decision while Gettlemen was on vacation.

That pretty much covers it.

[YoloinOhio]

Jerry Richardson is very unpredictable and makes snap decisions unilaterally (he's like irsay without the drugs). This has nothing to do with Beane.

Edited July 18, 2017 by YoloinOhio

[C.Biscuit97]

That's a load of ****. I live in SC. I am also from western NY originally and can tell you that the western NY is far more racist than SC. Your statement is #FakeNews, and Buffalo is a lot like NYC and California I can see.

Ok, sweeping generalizations like this are pretty silly. Are there racist losers in Buffalo? Yup. Are there racist losers in SC? Yup. And Buffalo didn't have a white loser shoot up a black church.

 

Stop with generalization. There are good and bad people everywhere.

[boyst]

That's a load of ****. I live in SC. I am also from western NY originally and can tell you that the western NY is far more racist than SC. Your statement is #FakeNews, and Buffalo is a lot like NYC and California I can see.

concur.

 

toledo is also much more racist

 

north carolina is not that racist, oddly.

[Poleshifter]

 

That leaves South Carolina, Tennessee, Mississippi, Arkansas, Georgia, Alabama and Louisiana as "the south."

 

Oops, you forgot to include South Dakota in the list.

Sorry, Kirby. I was just having some fun with this off-topic discussion.

[Kirby Jackson]

Sorry, Kirby. I was just having some fun with this off-topic discussion.

Ha ha, no problem. This one went off the rails quickly!!

[C.Biscuit97]

concur.

 

toledo is also much more racist

 

north carolina is not that racist, oddly.

Maybe it's the people you are hanging with. The people I know from Buffalo are a diverse, awesome group of attractive people.

 

Fact, ugly loser tend to be the biggest racists.

[Malazan]

Jerry Richardson is very unpredictable and makes snap decisions unilaterally (he's like irsay without the drugs). This has nothing to do with Beane.

 

Irsay without the drugs is a very apt description. He believes very much in the team being a "Family" organization (despite firing his two sons) and has often supported bad contracts for players he liked even though there was little hope they would live up to or even be able to fulfill the contract.

 

He's also been a thorn in the NFL's side on modernization initiatives with many votes against.

[Kirby Jackson]

Jerry Richardson is very unpredictable and makes snap decisions unilaterally (he's like irsay without the drugs). This has nothing to do with Beane.

This made me laugh. I forget what a wild card Irsay is. He's pretty far down the list of "the worst owners in sports." Of James Dolan ever puts the Knicks up for sale Irsay will be on the short list.

Maybe it's the people you are hanging with. The people I know from Buffalo are a diverse, awesome group of attractive people.

 

Fact, ugly loser tend to be the biggest racists.

Where do us classically handsome guys stand?

[C.Biscuit97]

This made me laugh. I forget what a wild card Irsay is. He's pretty far down the list of "the worst owners in sports." Of James Dolan ever puts the Knicks up for sale Irsay will be on the short list.

Where do us classically handsome guys stand?

I'm sure you Kirby, like myself have had no trouble making friends and dating girls, probably of many different races. I honestly don't get racist people and most of the losers live in places I don't want to visit.

[boyst]

Maybe it's the people you are hanging with. The people I know from Buffalo are a diverse, awesome group of attractive people.

 

Fact, ugly loser tend to be the biggest racists.

that's just a misconception of sorts.

 

it's not the people i hang with. i actually don't hang with a regular group most of the time; and the group i am around most is not the one i actually choose to be around so much as it happens if i can say without getting detailed

 

those who are transplants are more judgmental to those outsiders than those from the area. the average carolina resident in the non city just wants to be left alone and will not harm or bother anyone.