Kemp2Warlick Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Ian RapoportVerified account @RapSheet 6m6 minutes ago More Hey, action in the RFA market: #Rams signed #Bills G Ryan Groy to a 2-yr offer sheet worth $5M with $3.5M guaranteed on 3/21. BUF can match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No-brainer to match that deal, imo. Rams just did the negotiating for us. Sign him and move forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No-brainer to match that deal, imo. Rams just did the negotiating for us. Sign him and move forward.Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 It is not about the 800K more we would have to pay, it is about the 2nd round pick they would have to give us in addition to whatever money they gave him. While I liked his performance, I would not give up a 2nd round draft pick for him. And that's it right there. With the higher tender, no one is going to bother to try to present an offer. So we end up having to negotiate with him, and his camp knows we must really like him since we put a 2nd round tender on him. This way, the Rams just did the work for the Bills FO while we were focusing on other parts. Now the Bills FO just needs to step up, copy and paste the Rams offer, and the deal is done. Easy peasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No-brainer to match that deal, imo. Rams just did the negotiating for us. Sign him and move forward. But if we match it we'll be giving up a 9th round comp pick in the year 3179. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Let it play out. Whaley got rid of Fred when he was done. He may do the same with Wood Fred was a the oldest RB in the NFL at the time. Groy turns 27 in September and is heading into his 4th NFL season. Clearly different situations. When you leave your roster thin and need bodies, you open yourself up to other teams signing some of the guys you'd like to keep. A similar thing happened last season when NE took Hogan on a contract the Bills couldn't match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Only the Bills could uncover a gem then lose him in less then 6 months this should be a replacement for Erick Woods but noooooooooo. Whaley has his head up his ass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowisu80 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 But if we match it we'll be giving up a 9th round comp pick in the year 3179. hahahahahah all these comp pic complainers are killing me..just make the roster better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No one knew much about Groy until he was forced into action, now Whaley's dumb if he doesn't match. Maybe there's a reason they kept Lewis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowisu80 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) No one knew much about Groy until he was forced into action, now Whaley's dumb if he doesn't match. Maybe there's a reason they kept Lewis... here's what I don't know because I really haven't gone and watched the tape, but even though he seemed to perform well; what did the oline scheme wise do different with Groy in? Did they pull him like they would with woods? Did he make the appropriate line blocking calls? Did he cause sacks and pressures because of his mental component ? Did he single block NTs like good centers need to or did they help him? These are all things the coaching staff will know. If they don't match Groy, then I suspect that although he didn't have any glaring mistakes, that he is not in the same league as woods Edited March 14, 2017 by rowisu80 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No-brainer to match that deal, imo. Rams just did the negotiating for us. Sign him and move forward. This is literally exactly what I was going to post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The Bills should cut Wood and sign Groy. There was no drop off in play on the OL after Wood got hurt and Groy can be had at a fraction of the cost it will take to keep Wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Hes 26 and very solid. I would match it. Wood's career is on the decline. We have the cap space no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 And that's it right there. With the higher tender, no one is going to bother to try to present an offer. So we end up having to negotiate with him, and his camp knows we must really like him since we put a 2nd round tender on him. This way, the Rams just did the work for the Bills FO while we were focusing on other parts. Now the Bills FO just needs to step up, copy and paste the Rams offer, and the deal is done. Easy peasy. I hate to go off topic, but is there any specific reason you left "lemon squeezy" out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Only the Bills could uncover a gem then lose him in less then 6 months this should be a replacement for Erick Woods but noooooooooo. Whaley has his head up his ass or maybe if they want him now they can get him for two years pretty cheap. Looks like whaley is actually pretty smart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) And that's it right there. With the higher tender, no one is going to bother to try to present an offer. So we end up having to negotiate with him, and his camp knows we must really like him since we put a 2nd round tender on him. This way, the Rams just did the work for the Bills FO while we were focusing on other parts. Now the Bills FO just needs to step up, copy and paste the Rams offer, and the deal is done. Easy peasy. Yup, I was going to say the same thing. It's a good way to gauge a players value. The contract value that the Rams offered($1.5 this year) is actually cheaper than the tender value($1.79m) and there was no reason to use the 2nd round tender. Absolute no brainer for the Bills to match. Thank you Rams. Edited March 14, 2017 by Wayne Cubed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) It's clear the Rams don't view him as a shoe in to start either, so not sure why people are suggesting we start him over Wood. That's FAR from starter money. And that's with Kromer who he's played for twice - he would know. Edited March 14, 2017 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No-brainer to match that deal, imo. Rams just did the negotiating for us. Sign him and move forward. absolutely. groy doesn't need to go all LA on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The Bills should cut Wood and sign Groy. There was no drop off in play on the OL after Wood got hurt and Groy can be had at a fraction of the cost it will take to keep Wood. We have the cap room for both; keep both. Let Wood walk when his deal expires next offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 It's clear the Rams don't view him as a shoe in to start either, so not sure why people are suggesting we start him over Wood. That's FAR from starter money. And that's with Kromer who he's played for twice - he would know. I agree. Keep them both i say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 We have the cap room for both; keep both. Let Wood walk when his deal expires next offseason The Bills would actually save money this year, with the deal the Rams have offered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 The Bills would actually save money this year, with the deal the Rams have offered. Right. And they get their likely starting C under contract for 2018 for $3.5M, which gives them plenty of time to decide if he's worthy of an extension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Right. And they get their likely starting C under contract for 2018 for $3.5M, which gives them plenty of time to decide if he's worthy of an extension. I actually don't think it could have worked out any better for the Bills/Whaley. It did exactly what they wanted, got Groy on a cheap longish deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 No-brainer to match that deal, imo. Rams just did the negotiating for us. Sign him and move forward. Yup. Think we just sign him and we have our C/G backup and a good one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Will be disappointed if no matching offer. Fill the pipeline should apply to all positions, not just QB. Why let go of the C heir apparent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp2Warlick Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 YardsPerPass.com @YardsPerPass 3m3 minutes ago More YardsPerPass.com Retweeted Chris Trapasso 2 $1M bonuses (signing + roster) adds up If Bills match then they will be paying him more in 2017 than the 2nd round tender would have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Wood could play quite a few more years. Not sure why we are quick to show him the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 @christrapasso From my understanding, #Rams offer gives Groy $2.5M in the first year & $3.5M gtd overall. $1.5M base in '17 + two $1M signing bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Seems like re-signing Groy at the Rams tender is a no brainer as he could be our starter once the contract on Wood expires, and another year as his backup could be beneficial. Does anyone know if either Groy or Lewis can be the long snapper since Sanborn was released ? ... That could also figure into the Bills decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Seems like re-signing Groy at the Rams tender is a no brainer as he could be our starter once the contract on Wood expires, and another year as his backup could be beneficial. Does anyone know if either Groy or Lewis can be the long snapper since Sanborn was released ? ... That could also figure into the Bills decision. I'd think so too, but I guess it's how much the Bills like him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 (edited) Seems like re-signing Groy at the Rams tender is a no brainer as he could be our starter once the contract on Wood expires, and another year as his backup could be beneficial. Does anyone know if either Groy or Lewis can be the long snapper since Sanborn was released ? ... That could also figure into the Bills decision. Groy can do it in an emergency, but Reid Ferguson will probably be the new LS Also, I believe Nick O'Leary has done some long-snapping in the past, so he could also be an emergency guy in a pinch Edited March 14, 2017 by thebandit27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronxbomber21 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I actually don't think it could have worked out any better for the Bills/Whaley. It did exactly what they wanted, got Groy on a cheap longish deal. Now all Doug has to do is close the deal, what possibly could go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Now all Doug has to do is close the deal, what possibly could go wrong.its Jim Overdorf who does it. Why the snark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Groy can do it in an emergency, but Reid Ferguson will probably be the new LS Also, I believe Nick O'Leary has done some long-snapping in the past, so he could also be an emergency guy in a pinch Groy did it at the Shrine Game a few years ago. Jeff Risdon liked him doing it so consider me sold. We need to bring back Lee Smith as the full-time LS though. Would be hilarious watching him cover punts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Now all Doug has to do is close the deal, what possibly could go wrong. its Jim Overdorf who does it. Why the snark? Actually there's zero work to be done. They simply tell the league office that they're matching and it's finished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Actually there's zero work to be done. They simply tell the league office that they're matching and it's finished. This GM thing is simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooklynBills Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Dont know why we wouldnt match and cut patrick lewis. Unless they really like lewis better, which is possible as he was pretty much hurt all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 But if we match it we'll be giving up a 9th round comp pick in the year 3179. LOL, well played Fred was a the oldest RB in the NFL at the time. Groy turns 27 in September and is heading into his 4th NFL season. Clearly different situations. When you leave your roster thin and need bodies, you open yourself up to other teams signing some of the guys you'd like to keep. A similar thing happened last season when NE took Hogan on a contract the Bills couldn't match. He didnt compare Fred and Groy. He compared Fred and Eric Wood. Only the Bills could uncover a gem then lose him in less then 6 months this should be a replacement for Erick Woods but noooooooooo. Whaley has his head up his ass You dont get how this stuff works, do you? I hate to go off topic, but is there any specific reason you left "lemon squeezy" out? Look, I'm more of a big picture/ideas guy. I leave the actual squeezing of lemons to Whales and Overdorf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Dont know why we wouldnt match and cut patrick lewis. Unless they really like lewis better, which is possible as he was pretty much hurt all year.i was wondering about Lewis too. I think I saw that he would save 1.5 on the cap if cut. And I believe only plays C. Maybe they were just waiting to see what happened with Groy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 He got just a 2-year $5M deal? Phew! It's a no-brainer that you match it. Don't even need to (ahem) cut Wood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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