Bill from NYC Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before. Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve. I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Jerky Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 "Gilmore wants to stay healthy for his big contract" get the !@#$ out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Nope been saying it all year he is a very Good player and has been for years and this defense (no matter what it is or who is coaching it) will be worse off without him. However i have also decided this team is not that close and there are some very big problems with it (wont say the areas cause dont want to Hijack the thread). So because of those problems i have changed my tone on re-signing him. Not because of the player itself but because I dont think they are built in a waynto commit long term to a top end CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 He is an absolute piece of garbage. Show me one INT where he challenged a WR and stripped it out or fought for the ball. Not. Every INT of his was thrown right to him. His half assed tackles where he lowers his shoulder and the TE jumps over him or the WR bounces off him and runs upfield for another 15 yds. ****ty tackling, indecisive, meek, quiet, non-leader. Blah. See ya!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Guys, shoulder tackling is actually less safe than proper tackling. He was not playing to save his body. He just isn't very good at tackling. Still played decent in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightGambler Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Tyrod standing in there, taking big time shots when passing. I know it's his job, but when I see wimpy Gilmore afraid to tackle and avoiding contact time after time each game all year I find its disgusting and brutal. He's not a team player or an average corner. He's out of here and not worth the money. Cmon lets agree on this please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before. Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve. I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! Mario is having his 2nd poor season in a row, so I think it shows to be a good move. I think Gilmore is a good CB with a lousy DC. I think he could be valuable in a better defense. Not sure we have a replacement for him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I've just about always felt he was way over-rated. His body language on the field is that of a soft player who likes to be seen at the periphery of plays, instead of where the action is. I fully understand that his leaving would create a big hole for us, but boy do I want him outta here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 He is an absolute piece of garbage. Show me one INT where he challenged a WR and stripped it out or fought for the ball. Not. Every INT of his was thrown right to him. His half assed tackles where he lowers his shoulder and the TE jumps over him or the WR bounces off him and runs upfield for another 15 yds. ****ty tackling, indecisive, meek, quiet, non-leader. Blah. See ya!! I mean, there was that one where he basically ran the route for the defender and cut in front of him for the pick and almost took it to the house. Think that was Cincinnati? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I mean, there was that one where he basically ran the route for the defender and cut in front of him for the pick and almost took it to the house. Think that was Cincinnati?He had a good game...after AJ Green went out with injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Nope been saying it all year he is a very Good player and has been for years and this defense (no matter what it is or who is coaching it) will be worse off without him. However i have also decided this team is not that close and there are some very big problems with it (wont say the areas cause dont want to Hijack the thread). So because of those problems i have changed my tone on re-signing him. Not because of the player itself but because I dont think they are built in a waynto commit long term to a top end CB. Bobby makes a good point. This D isn't a corner away from being elite. It's missing a bunch of parts and investing in Gilmore might not be the smartest idea. Love the player (as you all know) and I'll always root for the guy because he's criminally underrated amongst this fanbase but maybe calling it quits isn't the worst idea. The tackle attempt doesn't change anything. I pay my guys to cover first, the rest is gravy. I just hope we fire Rex into the sun and restore this defense to what it should be. Damn it, Tyrod deserves better, as does Shady and Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Deion Sanders sucked at tackling too. Most corners suck at it outside of Aqib Taleb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before. Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve. I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! Bill, this game was filled with missed tackles by almost everyone on defense. Of course that Gilmore shoulder bump was a big play that was very costly. You may find it surprising but I don't that a top tier cover corner isn't the best of tacklers. In my view Gilmore falls in the top fourth or third rankings at his position. If he hits the market he will reap a contract that will fall into the category of a bonanza. You may not place value on cover CBs but I do and so does the rest of the league. You have been denigrating him since he was drafted because the position he plays doesn't fall into your value system. I disagree with how you rank the position in importance to other positions and I disagree how you rank him as a player. If the Bills lose Gilmore to the market it will be create major void that will have to be filled. On this issue of Gilmore I haven't agreed with you from the beginning and I will continue to disagree with you. The problem with people who take notice when he doesn't make a play is that it is too often ignored when he does make a play. My recommendation to Whaley is to sign the man and pay the man. I'm confident that my take on this issue will irritate you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before. Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve. I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! Agree completely Gilmore spends almost the entire game looking to avoid contact. Please just let him move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! Bill. somehow I have a feeling I will hear your scream on the West Coast when we take a corner with our number 1 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Deion Sanders sucked at tackling too. Most corners suck at it outside of Aqib Taleb. That's a gross overstatement and simply not accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Agree completely Gilmore spends almost the entire game looking to avoid contact. Please just let him move on. Again, shoulder tackling like that is actually more dangerous than proper form tackling. Don't think he was avoiding contact but he definitely showed lack of hustle a few times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 He's a solid corner and I'd keep him for the right price. I don't think they are far off, and losing him would create a big hole that would most likely be filled by a high draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragonborn10 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Darby has been much worse than Gilmore all year. There are major holes at RT(though my plan woudl be Glenn at Rt and CK at LT), #2 WR, both safety positions, kicker and maybe even punter. Franchise him for the year. Figure out the long term contract later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillnutinHouston Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Agree completely Gilmore spends almost the entire game looking to avoid contact. Please just let him move on. Not only would I replace him with a lower talent guy who actually has heart, but he also reminds me how I want a coach who holds players accountable. He's disgraceful and I can't imagine his teammates like playing with him based on how he actively avoids tackling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Again, shoulder tackling like that is actually more dangerous than proper form tackling. Don't think he was avoiding contact but he definitely showed lack of hustle a few times. On that play when he used the shoulder tackle, he stayed on the ground and watched the receiver continue to run down the field. He just stayed on the ground! He didn't get back up and pursue him! I want to keep Gilmore, but he is not worth 15 million a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Steph is a top 15 corner but not top 5. He has flaws. I'd bring him back but not at the $ he was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 If Gilmore was a decent tackler he would be a great corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Steph is a top 15 corner but not top 5. He has flaws. I'd bring him back but not at the $ he was looking for. Agreed 100% and I'm one of his biggest (only?) fans here. He's a bad tackler but a very good press man corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Agreed 100% and I'm one of his biggest (only?) fans here. He's a bad tackler but a very good press man corner I'm a fan of Gilmore too. I just don't think he's worth Top 5 money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 It totally depends on who will be the HC and DC. And also depends on what we think of Tyrod, Woods, Zach Brown and Lorax. This isn't just a is he worth 10 or 11 or 12 million question. I also don't think it was a save my ass hit, it was just a bad play on a tackle that he has often made. He's very good. Someone will probably offer him a huge contract. It depends on what kind of D we play next year but I think we let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before.Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve.I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad?My take is good riddance to both! He was an embarrassment today. It looked to me like he has quit on the team. Good riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 On that play when he used the shoulder tackle, he stayed on the ground and watched the receiver continue to run down the field. He just stayed on the ground! He didn't get back up and pursue him! I want to keep Gilmore, but he is not worth 15 million a year. Yeah, that's kind of the point I was getting at. Plays that put him in danger of injury (which happened by the way) and then shows lack of hustle when the play gets away from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Gilmore is a good CB but not top 10 good. One of the coaches or another has to sit down and have a heart to heart talk to about tackling and how his poor efforts hurt the team. He was awful today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 25, 2016 Author Share Posted December 25, 2016 The problem with people who take notice when he doesn't make a play is that it is too often ignored when he does make a play. My recommendation to Whaley is to sign the man and pay the man. I'm confident that my take on this issue will irritate you. No, your takes never have irritated me. Sure, we disagree from time to time. If anything, I'm glad because of the fine, upscale dialogue. Still, I stand firm wrt Gilmore. Imo he was a wasted pick. Hey I could be proven wrong down the road. Sometimes we are wrong with our opinions and sometimes we click. Btw, how is Spiller doing these days? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills of Boston Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 His last 6-7 games albeit prob $ related he showed up. I'd be happy to have him back (as usual $ depending) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted December 25, 2016 Author Share Posted December 25, 2016 Bill. somehow I have a feeling I will hear your scream on the West Coast when we take a corner with our number 1 pick.Yes, you will. This league comes at you all the time with 4 or 5 wide sets. Even Nick Saban says that he employs the nickel about 80% of the time in the SEC! The best corner on earth covers ONE receiver at a time. I still believe in drafts which emphasize qbs, pass rushers and blockers. Are there exceptions? Yes but that is what I think of them as. Exceptions, unless a teams primary needs are met. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I need to still keep thinking this over. But losing Mario was bad for the team. Mario as a two down DE with Hughes as a 3rd down and specialist... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 (edited) I need to still keep thinking this over. But losing Mario was bad for the team. Mario as a two down DE with Hughes as a 3rd down and specialist... Didn't they both play most downs? Edited December 25, 2016 by Big C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Didn't they both play most downs?in the past yes. But in the fully abortion rex created it would be fine to switch them in. I'd be fine with the two of them going back and forth because Hughes is a pass rush specialist and Lawson can contain on the other edge. But Hughes belong at 34de with a good week side linebacker behind him who can cover the run. Unfortunately, we don't have that. Rexs system sucks and does nothing to help any players except the ILB's who are pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO16FFS Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Nevermind top 10-15. Gilmore is around 20-30 in the league. Some teams stay away from him because Darby is not as good....However, this doesnt mean Gilmore is good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Nevermind top 10-15. Gilmore is around 20-30 in the league. Some teams stay away from him because Darby is not as good....However, this doesnt mean Gilmore is good! What are you going to say when when several teams offer him top 5 money? And no team offers him top 20-30 money? I'm not saying he is playing great. He's frustrating. He's not top 5 because he makes too many mistakes guys in the top 5 don't make as much (all CBs get burnt and miss tackles). But he's an excellent CB. Probably 6-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I get it, Gilmore wants to stay healthy for a big contract somewhere else next season. Remember how bad Clements wanted out of Buffalo? We have seen this before. Even given the above, Gilmore (imo) is a disgrace and I truly do hope he moves on. A case could be made that his attempt at a "shoulder tackle" cost us a game with playoff implications, on Christmas Eve. I like when we fans disagree. It makes this board great and I learn from good dialogue. Can anyone explain to me how getting rid of Mario was good but losing Gilmore would be bad? My take is good riddance to both! Done. Out. Guys, shoulder tackling is actually less safe than proper tackling. He was not playing to save his body. He just isn't very good at tackling. Still played decent in coverage. No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Done. Out. If you are trying to not get hurt you don't bury your shoulder into a guy to tackle him, you weakly try to wrap your arms around him. That is not a don't get hurt play it's a crappy tackler play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 If they decide to move on from him Im ok with it.....just have alternatives even if its cheaper ones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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