wettlaufer Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Not sure what game people were watching, but Tyrod was throwing darts over the middle of the field, hitting WR and TE. Putting a spy on him to keep him in the pocket forces the issue and also keeps LBers wide. That opens up the middle. A good complete game for our QB in those conditions. The fact people want to run him out of town after, what, 28 starts, is crazy. QBs don't develop overnight. This is like the people who sold Amazon in 2001 because it was immature and wasn't producing earnings. You have to take a longer view in investing and in the development of QBs. Some develop early, some later. It would be a mistake not to extend Tyrod given his development and tools (including his intelligence). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 He also missed numerous wide open receivers that would have been long gains, if not scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I'm done with him. I'm no longer holding out hope. He was a better thrower last year and has regressed. I would seriously take my chances with EJ. At least he would have a sense of urgency when we're trailing by multiple scores in the 4th qtr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Not sure what game people were watching, but Tyrod was throwing darts over the middle of the field, hitting WR and TE. Putting a spy on him to keep him in the pocket forces the issue and also keeps LBers wide. That opens up the middle. A good complete game for our QB in those conditions. The fact people want to run him out of town after, what, 28 starts, is crazy. QBs don't develop overnight. This is like the people who sold Amazon in 2001 because it was immature and wasn't producing earnings. You have to take a longer view in investing and in the development of QBs. Some develop early, some later. It would be a mistake not to extend Tyrod given his development and tools (including his intelligence). Really! I think Tyrod is a goner and it's because he stinks out loud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wettlaufer Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 He also missed numerous wide open receivers that would have been long gains, if not scores. So did Big Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davspo Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 He is clearly not the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I don't think I can any longer support pulling the trigger on paying his roster bonus to give him the extension currently on his contract. I'd support bringing him back under a deal that pays him more in line with what he's shown himself to be - a bottom tier starter or high end back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Could not be any more clear he is not a good QB and is not the answer. 1 million % not worthy of the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 So did Big Ben. you really want to compare a Super Bowl winning, potentially HoF QB to Tyrod Taylor? Those throws you talk about are few and far between. They are often sprinkled in between unnessisary scrambles, inaccurate throws and the inability to find open receivers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) -28 games is easily more than enough time. -he hasn't progressed at all from game 1 to game 28. -in adverse situations he turns in to Don Knotts. The harder he bites it the more some of you guys dig in. Edited December 12, 2016 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Not sure what game people were watching, but Tyrod was throwing darts over the middle of the field, hitting WR and TE. Putting a spy on him to keep him in the pocket forces the issue and also keeps LBers wide. That opens up the middle. A good complete game for our QB in those conditions. The fact people want to run him out of town after, what, 28 starts, is crazy. QBs don't develop overnight. This is like the people who sold Amazon in 2001 because it was immature and wasn't producing earnings. You have to take a longer view in investing and in the development of QBs. Some develop early, some later. It would be a mistake not to extend Tyrod given his development and tools (including his intelligence). Nice to meet you, Mrs. Taylor. Your son sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drinkTHEkoolaid Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 It's 20frigging16 NFL and this guy still has never passed for 300+ yds at almost the end of his 2nd season. He has like 70yds today into the 4th qtr. Are you frigging kidding. I reallllly wanted Tyrod to be the guy but he's not. He is what he is and we've learned this over the course of this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 The body's you walk over jumping off the TT bandwagon is stunning. It's Edwardsesque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 QBs don't develop overnight. This is like the people who sold Amazon in 2001 because it was immature and wasn't producing earnings. this is my favorite comment on this board ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 What the !@#$ were you watching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I don't think I can any longer support pulling the trigger on paying his roster bonus to give him the extension currently on his contract. I'd support bringing him back under a deal that pays him more in line with what he's shown himself to be - a bottom tier starter or high end back up. He's essentially slated to be the cheapest starter. The issue is we'd be able tied to him for 2-3 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 He can't come back now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 On the INT he had when he passed to Goodwin he had Hunter wide open for a possible touchdown who happened to be in the middle of the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 It's 20frigging16 NFL and this guy still has never passed for 300+ yds at almost the end of his 2nd season. He has like 70yds today into the 4th qtr. Are you frigging kidding. I reallllly wanted Tyrod to be the guy but he's not. He is what he is and we've learned this over the course of this season. He has passed for under 200 yards 14 times and he has 8 games he has thrown zero TDs. It's a frickin pass happy league, that said it is extremely difficult to NOT eclipse 300 or in Tyrods case, even 200 yards passing and a TD or 3 or 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 In his 28 starts, does he have any 4th quarter come from behind wins? I don't think he does. To me, this is telling and it's time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Sorry but he sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 What development? He is what he is, a great athlete that can't pass the ball consistently. No amount of playing time will change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Not sure what game people were watching, but Tyrod was throwing darts over the middle of the field, hitting WR and TE. Putting a spy on him to keep him in the pocket forces the issue and also keeps LBers wide. That opens up the middle. A good complete game for our QB in those conditions. The fact people want to run him out of town after, what, 28 starts, is crazy. QBs don't develop overnight. This is like the people who sold Amazon in 2001 because it was immature and wasn't producing earnings. You have to take a longer view in investing and in the development of QBs. Some develop early, some later. It would be a mistake not to extend Tyrod given his development and tools (including his intelligence). If this is your honest opinion, and I'm afraid it might actually be, you need to start watching some other teams outside of the Bills to see what competent QB'ing looks like, because you clearly have no clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I don't want to sound like a Tyrod apologist here, but... Tyrod's failure is Rex Ryan's failure. TT actually had some good throws today, and there were a lot of dropped balls, and poorly run routes. It's not from any lack of talent, including TT. It is from a lack of chemistry, and that lands on Rex, IMO. Rex's stubborn adherence to a run heavy offense has come at the expense of the passing game, as opposed to enabling the passing game, as should be the desired effect. And, can we now put to rest any notion of Rex Ryan, or his baffoon of a brother being defensive geniuses? Defense was their calling card. And, they're terrible at it. TERRIBLE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloFan68 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Tyrod is not starting NFL material. Give EJ/Cardale /anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Well, at least we know what Tyrod's TBD screen name is now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Yay , so he hit a WR and TE over the middle. It's week 14 and he hasn't done it all year. He missed wide open guys for TDs again today, was very late to a wide open Clay ( ended up incomplete because of it) and was even late on the TD to Watkins. The guy leaves so many plays on the field in the passing game and he looked ineffective running in the snow. He threw for about 80-90 yards when the game mattered. He's not a starting NFL QB. Most personnel guys say you need about a season and a half to evaluate a QB. Time is up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 He can't come back now. yeah, looks like that game pretty much seals the deal. Lets go with EJ/CJ and A Lynn and get this thing over with. So much for the Rex experiment. Wow, how did we get to this place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COACH85 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 If QB's don't develop overnight I can't wait to see DaK Prescott when he DOES develop! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Not sure what game people were watching, but Tyrod was throwing darts over the middle of the field, hitting WR and TE. Putting a spy on him to keep him in the pocket forces the issue and also keeps LBers wide. That opens up the middle. A good complete game for our QB in those conditions. The fact people want to run him out of town after, what, 28 starts, is crazy. QBs don't develop overnight. This is like the people who sold Amazon in 2001 because it was immature and wasn't producing earnings. You have to take a longer view in investing and in the development of QBs. Some develop early, some later. It would be a mistake not to extend Tyrod given his development and tools (including his intelligence). He was extended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
familykwi Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) Not sure what game people were watching, but Tyrod was throwing darts over the middle of the field, hitting WR and TE. Putting a spy on him to keep him in the pocket forces the issue and also keeps LBers wide. That opens up the middle. A good complete game for our QB in those conditions. The fact people want to run him out of town after, what, 28 starts, is crazy. QBs don't develop overnight. This is like the people who sold Amazon in 2001 because it was immature and wasn't producing earnings. You have to take a longer view in investing and in the development of QBs. Some develop early, some later. It would be a mistake not to extend Tyrod given his development and tools (including his intelligence). Since you are offering more than "he stinks", I'll extend my reply. My problem w/Tyrod is that he typically appears to throw to receivers only when they have gotten open instead of throwing to a spot where they will get open. He seems to need a very wide window to make this choice. Rarely does he set in his drop and quickly deliver the ball. He routinely drops back. waits, waits, runs a bit and either takes off, or throws to a receiver who has finally gotten separation. Granted, he does not throw many INTs, but he does not seem to have the confidence to throw a ball before a receiver makes his cut and meets the throw at a spot. He reminds me of Maverick in Top Gun right after Goose dies. He's afraid to engage since it "doesn't look good." Based on your belief that he needs more time, you could say Maverick eventually got over his apprehension, but Tyrod is a 5th year pro, not a 2nd year QB. Not to mention that Maverick clearly had the skills he showed at the end of the movie, but temporarily lost his confidence. I've never seen Tyrod throw with the accuracy, nor the timing to believe he ever will. Tyrod is a starting QB in this league. I cannot think of many backups who can do better and he's better than a handful of other starting QBs in the league. The problem is that we need a playoff caliber QB and Tyrod is not one. Edited December 12, 2016 by familykwi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 He's essentially slated to be the cheapest starter. The issue is we'd be able tied to him for 2-3 years You're correct that we'd be tied to him for 2-3 seasons, but his full contract average is $18M right now. That'd put him tied for 17th for QB average salary. This season is bringing that average down though. If his option is picked up that average salary over the next 2 seasons is $20.5M and over the next 4 seasons is $20.25M. That'd put him 13th just barely behind Foles who is playing on the franchise tag this season. Everything about the option is bothering me. Being tied to him for 2+ seasons, the guaranteed money and the average salary. I put him much more in the Fitzpatrick, 1 season at $12M range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 It's easy to forget that Tyrod was drafted in 2011 and he sat behind a Super Bowl winning quarterback. He is not a rookie or in a sophomore year, this is who he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I have no issue with keeping TT for next year. Two conditions: (1) we redo his contract so it is not guaranteed money. If he dosen't like it, he can have fun being a guaranteed backup for another team or starting for a team with zero talent like Cleveland, which will instantly expose all his flaws; (2) there is a competition for QB. We draft a QB, Jones, TT and FA if a good one is available compete to start. TT is told that he may be the backup and will have to be okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samwell Tarly Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Taylor is a bottom 10 starting qb in this league. Wouldn't start on at least 20 other NFL teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 (edited) What development? He is what he is, a great athlete that can't pass the ball consistently. No amount of playing time will change that. I agree with this. He's exactly the same QB he was last season. It didn't happen for him and it's time to accept that. There's no shame in being a quality NFL backup. QB is the most difficult job in team sports. Edited December 12, 2016 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 It's easy to forget that Tyrod was drafted in 2011 and he sat behind a Super Bowl winning quarterback. He is not a rookie or in a sophomore year, this is who he is. This also is a valid point. If he were a rookie this would be fine. But, he has not had the "reps" in a starting offense. I'm still not sold on him, but I'd like to see more without having to pay for that "tryout" and wedding myself to him by not bringing in competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I have no issue with keeping TT for next year. Two conditions: (1) we redo his contract so it is not guaranteed money. If he dosen't like it, he can have fun being a guaranteed backup for another team or starting for a team with zero talent like Cleveland, which will instantly expose all his flaws; (2) there is a competition for QB. We draft a QB, Jones, TT and FA if a good one is available compete to start. TT is told that he may be the backup and will have to be okay with that. Why? are you not interested in winning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I agree with this. He's exactly the same QB he was last season. It didn't happen for him and it's time to accept that. There's no shame in being a quality NFL backup. QB is the most difficult job in team sports. He's worse than last year. Those bombs he threw were beautiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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