NoSaint Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) When Whaley was interview on WGR last week he referred to Henderson being in the RT competition. Based upon that it seems as if he knew what was going on. I think it's highly possible that Rex knew too, but didn't want to discuss his medical condition. Nevertheless, the coaches are at fault for not reaching out to him. If everyone knew, is this a couple of morons going rogue to the press then? Also, like I said up thread- it's such an easy question to answer without making the player or team uncomfortable. It's silly to have played games. And both of those are before we even get to the coaches not reaching out I'm not being dramatic and saying its a major deal or make a mountain out of a molehill.... Just seems like we aren't doing great with some of the easy stuff lately, even if assuming the best. Edited May 31, 2016 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Not sure if anyone mentioned this yet but I'm 100% positive Whaley commented on Henderson's condition not too long before the Draft on WGR...And his comments were basically that Henderson was doing very well...He made a point of saying...basically...The Bills were very encouraged with the news they were getting on Henderson's health... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 At this point, and with so much "information" coming out, I have to believe that Rex, et al, are merely keeping their cards close to their chest. As I Mentioned in another post, when was the last time anyone took an injury report from the Pats* seriously? This is de rigueur in the league. Were they to be spilling information pell mell, then we should be concerned. That being said, considering the potential severity of the disease, and what e know so far, it's hard to imagine that we are going to see Seantrel starting this season, or the next. If everyone knew, is this a couple of morons going rogue to the press then? Also, like I said up thread- it's such an easy question to answer without making the player or team uncomfortable. It's silly to have played games. And both of those are before we even get to the coaches not reaching out I'm not being dramatic and saying its a major deal or make a mountain out of a molehill.... Just seems like we aren't doing great with some of the easy stuff lately, even if assuming the best. From Dunne's first article: After last week’s open organized team activity (OTA) practice, head coach Rex Ryan began by calling the right tackle's absence “a medical thing,” before admitting they haven’t spoken since the last day of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecitybills Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Another stellar example of a nattering nabobs of negativity. Just plain make up some BS story- of course making it a negative doom and gloom story - rather than doing your job and actually checking something out. Should be fired for the "moving on" article. Edited May 31, 2016 by racecitybills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Another stellar example of a nattering nabobs of negativity. Just plain make some BS story- if course making it a negative doom and gloom story - rather than doing your job and actually checking something out. Should be fired for the "moving on" article. Just like the czar nonsense by LaConjecture and Carucci that some got all worked up by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecitybills Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) How many times have the Nabob's from the news trashed the front office at One Bills Drive? How many times? How many different writers? Henderson's agent had to reach out to Tyler Dunne? are you kidding me? A supposedly professional writer at a supposed big city newspaper did not even call his agent before classifying him as AWOL? What utter incompetence- somehow this will be Rex or Whaley's fault though- Edited May 31, 2016 by racecitybills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Just further proof of the deep level of stupidity that is the head coach of the Buffalo Bills, you could not have your secretary make one phone call, send a text, etc.???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) How many times have the Nabob's from the news trashed the front office at One Bills Drive? How many times? How many different writers? Henderson's agent had to reach out to Tyler Dunne? are you kidding me? A supposedly professional writer at a supposed big city newspaper did not even call his agent before classifying him as AWOL? What utter incompetence- somehow this will be Rex or Whaley's fault though- The poor article is not Rex's fault. Rex not giving a crap about his player enough to check on him or speak with him, is not the reporter's fault, the agent's fault, or the player's fault. Edited May 31, 2016 by 4merper4mer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecitybills Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Wait. Let me get this straight. Our source for Rex's actions or non-actions is the Buffalo news? really? That's our source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Good job by the TBN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 @TyDunne One more update on Seantrel Henderson: His physician in Minn wants one final check-up on Wednesday. So he plans on a Thursday return now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 From the PFT story: Didn't see that PFT story (the OP had a story by them that didn't mention a colostomy). But that's what I figured. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 imho, SH is likely to be seriously under weight and strength......would not surprise me to see him on some list this year, as recovering from whatever. My wife had similar surgery, and lost a lot of weight...which is slow to regain. Wish him the best, though. Return as fast as possible, no faster though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Wait. Let me get this straight. Our source for Rex's actions or non-actions is the Buffalo news? really? That's our source? Direct quote from Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 He recovered? This doesn't upset me. RG, and RT are positions that can be upgraded in free agency. The best of these positions are in their late twenties, early thirties. At this position, rookies will take time to develop. Miller would be an excellent example of this. I have little doubt that he will blossom into a first rate Guard. For this position, youth is less of an upside than experience, IMO. Let's see what they do to improve this position over the next few weeks before we pass judgement. Well, free agency is essentially over now with all of the solid options long gone. Miller has quite the hill to climb to become even average on top of not being an injury puppy. That's a lot to ask any no one should have much faith in that situation re: him. He played so poorly last season and for sure massively inconsistently. I have quite a bit of doubt that he'll ever blossom into much more than a backup G. There's absolutely nothing concrete to suggest otherwise. You say "let's wait and see what they do to improve this position over the next few weeks before we pass judgement." Like what? What can they do? Be specific. Is there a free agent G out there that we can afford with a proven history of solid starting? I don't see what they can do. We have what we have. If they have extra cap money they need to put it towards Gilmore's contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Well, free agency is essentially over now with all of the solid options long gone. Miller has quite the hill to climb to become even average on top of not being an injury puppy. That's a lot to ask any no one should have much faith in that situation re: him. He played so poorly last season and for sure massively inconsistently. I have quite a bit of doubt that he'll ever blossom into much more than a backup G. There's absolutely nothing concrete to suggest otherwise. You say "let's wait and see what they do to improve this position over the next few weeks before we pass judgement." Like what? What can they do? Be specific. Is there a free agent G out there that we can afford with a proven history of solid starting? I don't see what they can do. We have what we have. If they have extra cap money they need to put it towards Gilmore's contract. Jahri Evans and Louis Vasquez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Jahri Evans and Louis Vasquez. To start neither of those guys is much better than average tops. Vasquez is known to be a poor run blocker, and since our entire offense revolves around the run this season do you think he'd be a good fit? Do you think he'll play for veteran minimum which is all that we can afford? I did mention that. Evans will be 33 this season and if you've done your homework you'd know that he's injury prone. As well, you think he'll play for the minimum? I don't. We don't seem to have money to pay anyone anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 To start neither of those guys is much better than average tops. Vasquez is known to be a poor run blocker, and since our entire offense revolves around the run this season do you think he'd be a good fit? Do you think he'll play for veteran minimum which is all that we can afford? I did mention that. Evans will be 33 this season and if you've done your homework you'd know that he's injury prone. As well, you think he'll play for the minimum? I don't. We don't seem to have money to pay anyone anymore. Yeah, I saw that you mentioned that. And it was a dumb statement because the Bills have almost $13M in cap room. And given your assessment of Miller, wouldn't "average" (they're above average, hell Vasquez won a SB playing RG last season) be an upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kemp Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) The little bit of reading I did on Crohn's disease makes me suspect that we have likely seen the last of Henderson in a Bills uniform. It's no joke, especially when it is severe, which if he received surgery for it-- it is. There is no cure, it's chronic, and there will be flare-ups, and remissions. If he hasn't been in contact with the FO, or Rex, I would think it is safe to assume he doesn't have any good news. I have Crohn's. A pretty bad case. Have had 5 surgeries. I had the two he had. The last surgery was 16 years ago. Since then I have done pretty well and have been an active participant in sports. There are many ways to treat Crohn's. The problem is finding the one that works for you. If he has found the correct one, he can play, with no loss in effectiveness. It's way too early to know his immediate outcome. If he had them reattached, he must have had a colostomy. More likely, an ileostomy. Edited May 31, 2016 by Kemp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I am worried about the person at this point then the player Get well Seantrell +1. It is a shame that the Agent and the Bills are using this as a way to get dirty laundry in the public. Nothing should matter than the health of the young man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Definitely not well handled by the team at all. Can somebody give me a good news story about the Bils medical staff? I could sure use one right now. Kevin Everett can walk?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 (edited) Well, free agency is essentially over now with all of the solid options long gone. Miller has quite the hill to climb to become even average on top of not being an injury puppy. That's a lot to ask any no one should have much faith in that situation re: him. He played so poorly last season and for sure massively inconsistently. I have quite a bit of doubt that he'll ever blossom into much more than a backup G. There's absolutely nothing concrete to suggest otherwise. You say "let's wait and see what they do to improve this position over the next few weeks before we pass judgement." Like what? What can they do? Be specific. Is there a free agent G out there that we can afford with a proven history of solid starting? I don't see what they can do. We have what we have. If they have extra cap money they need to put it towards Gilmore's contract. We could afford either Vasquez, or Evans, and either would be an upgrade- obviously. And, FA is not over. There will be cuts from other teams. That will happen. But, really, my main point was that O-linesmen don't often shine in their first year, and the best in the business are usually older (by NFL standards), late twenties, early thirties. Addressing the issue in the draft, IMO, would not likely have helped out our line this season. I don't fault Whaley and Rex for not going after rookie OLs. Miller is a good example. He was a stud in the preseason, but faltered during reg season games. And, I disagree with your assessment of him. I think there is every reason to believe that he has not reached his ceiling, and will be improved from last year. Just his emotional issues alone were a significant obstacle to his development. What else would we be looking for in terms of something "concrete" to suggest that he would be improved from last season? I have Crohn's. A pretty bad case. Have had 5 surgeries. I had the two he had. The last surgery was 16 years ago. Since then I have done pretty well and have been an active participant in sports. There are many ways to treat Crohn's. The problem is finding the one that works for you. If he has found the correct one, he can play, with no loss in effectiveness. It's way too early to know his immediate outcome. Wow. Thanks for this. I was only going on my own ability to google, which, I do understand, does not make me an expert (although, there are those who seem to think otherwise!). Edited May 31, 2016 by Rocky Landing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Crohn's can be difficult to diagnose correctly from everything I understand. It can be. I expect it's harder with a football player, where pain, even severe pain, weight loss, etc, may be pretty common during the season. "When you hear hoofbeats don't think of zebras". But it also sounds like it was missed until it got very severe. People newly diagnosed with Crohn's don't necessarily need hospitalization and 2 surgeries right off the bat. I would have to think the medical staff recommended that he see a GI specialist and were involved in his care throughout since he's an active Buffalo Bill. Henderson was hospitalized after the Eagles game and I believe diagnosed there, so he would have been plugged in to the GI department at that point. We don't know how it went down, but certainly for a non-football-related disease condition, he's not required to involve Bills medical staff in his care or follow their recommendations, and if he felt he was misdiagnosed, he may not want to. When Whaley was interviewed on WGR last week he referred to Henderson being in the RT competition. Based upon that it seems as if he knew what was going on. I think it's highly possible that Rex knew too, but didn't want to discuss his medical condition. Nevertheless, the coaches are at fault for not reaching out to him. I don't know the rules on this - I know coaches aren't supposed to have contact with the players in the off-season. Can they call just to say 'how's it going, keep your spirits up'? Whether or not Rex knew, he handled it in the media poorly. If he just didn't want to discuss it, he should have said so and not made it sound as if Henderson was AWOL or snubbing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 How many times have the Nabob's from the news trashed the front office at One Bills Drive? How many times? How many different writers? Henderson's agent had to reach out to Tyler Dunne? are you kidding me? A supposedly professional writer at a supposed big city newspaper did not even call his agent before classifying him as AWOL? What utter incompetence- somehow this will be Rex or Whaley's fault though- I'm not sure why you make the assumption Dunne didn't reach out. In fact, he did: "Messages left for Henderson and Henderson’s agent, Alan Herman, were not initially returned though Herman called back later Monday..." http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/05/30/seantrel-henderson-mia-bills-forge-ahead-without-right-tackle/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Shame on the Bills organization--kid wasn't AWOL from Bills--the staff of Bills was AWOL from the kid (from top to bottom). At a time when he could have probably used a lift from the FO after up what he's been through. Seems a little like scapegoating this kid which would be as low as you could sink. I hope I'm missing something here about NFL restrictions that didn't allow them to make contact or to let us know they were on the scene and no need to expect the worst, etc.. And, what makes this worse is that this was one of the few and far between feel good stories we've had (next to Incognito's LGBT Sensitivity Award). http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/13/seantrel-henderson-leads-all-players-in-performance-based-pay/. (no time for the PFF link anointing him in the same manner) Shame on the Bills organization--kid wasn't AWOL from Bills--the staff of Bills was AWOL from the kid (from top to bottom). At a time when he could have probably used a lift from the FO after up what he's been through. Seems a little like scapegoating this kid which would be as low as you could sink. I hope I'm missing something here about NFL restrictions that didn't allow them to make contact or to let us know they were on the scene and no need to expect the worst, etc.. And, what makes this worse is that this was one of the few and far between feel good stories we've had (next to Incognito's LGBT Sensitivity Award). http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/13/seantrel-henderson-leads-all-players-in-performance-based-pay/. (no time for the PFF link anointing him in the same manner) Regardless, speaks volumes that the medical staff of the Bills missed this one--bring back Quincy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Kevin Everett can walk?! Wow, you're right. It all started when he was first able to use his arms and legs: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Direct quote from Rex. Direct quote from Rex, but maybe Roman or Kromer reached out to Henderson and relayed information to Rex. Maybe the Bills medical staff filled them all in. Maybe they didn't feel the need to talk about a non football medical condition of one of their players. We are trying to provide oversight and criticism for a coaching staff when we don't have 95% of the picture, flipping the unknown pieces to a negative and assuming incompetence. Kind of like some were doing with the medical staff until it was disclosed, that they are indeed in contact with him. Negative piece flipped back over because it is known now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecitybills Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I'm not sure why you make the assumption Dunne didn't reach out. In fact, he did: "Messages left for Henderson and Henderson’s agent, Alan Herman, were not initially returned though Herman called back later Monday..." http://bills.buffalonews.com/2016/05/30/seantrel-henderson-mia-bills-forge-ahead-without-right-tackle/ So you write a complete BS story? Create the AWOL player story? Are you serious? So he supposedly reached out and the agent did not return his call right away so now he is AWOL? Turn anything you can into the most negative story possible- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Direct quote from Rex, but maybe Roman or Kromer reached out to Henderson and relayed information to Rex. Maybe the Bills medical staff filled them all in. Maybe they didn't feel the need to talk about a non football medical condition of one of their players. We are trying to provide oversight and criticism for a coaching staff when we don't have 95% of the picture, flipping the unknown pieces to a negative and assuming incompetence. Kind of like some were doing with the medical staff until it was disclosed, that they are indeed in contact with him. Negative piece flipped back over because it is known now. Occum's Shaver says Rex did diddly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Kevin Everett can walk?! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Wait. Let me get this straight. Our source for Rex's actions or non-actions is the Buffalo news? really? That's our source? from what I can tell, the source is Henderson's agent. Only quote from anyone else is Rex who said he hadn't talked to him since the end of the season. Neither he nor any of the coaching staff, nor the player himself, have said that no members of the coaching staff tried to reach out to him. It's certainly possible that no one did, but seems that a 3rd party source is the only one who has said that It can be. I expect it's harder with a football player, where pain, even severe pain, weight loss, etc, may be pretty common during the season. "When you hear hoofbeats don't think of zebras". But it also sounds like it was missed until it got very severe. People newly diagnosed with Crohn's don't necessarily need hospitalization and 2 surgeries right off the bat. Henderson was hospitalized after the Eagles game and I believe diagnosed there, so he would have been plugged in to the GI department at that point. We don't know how it went down, but certainly for a non-football-related disease condition, he's not required to involve Bills medical staff in his care or follow their recommendations, and if he felt he was misdiagnosed, he may not want to. I don't know the rules on this - I know coaches aren't supposed to have contact with the players in the off-season. Can they call just to say 'how's it going, keep your spirits up'? Whether or not Rex knew, he handled it in the media poorly. If he just didn't want to discuss it, he should have said so and not made it sound as if Henderson was AWOL or snubbing him. coaches aren't supposed to talk to players about football. They can talk to them about other things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I don't know about outrage but wouldn't a competent HC have a semblance of a clue about this? It figures you turn this into yet another Rex indictment. Rex knowing is not the same as Rex speaking publicly about whether not not he has been in contact with the player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I am so happy I was wrong. I just didn't see being able to recuperate that fast from two GI Resections, and the placement of two anastomoses (the connection point of the non-rejected tissue) as well as the wasting from the disease. That is truly remarkable. Mayo is one of the best medical facilities in the US, so he made a very good decision to go with Mayo. I'm really happy for the guy and truly hope he can handle the physical rigors of training camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecitybills Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I am so happy I was wrong. I just didn't see being able to recuperate that fast from two GI Resections, and the placement of two anastomoses (the connection point of the non-rejected tissue) as well as the wasting from the disease. That is truly remarkable. Mayo is one of the best medical facilities in the US, so he made a very good decision to go with Mayo. I'm really happy for the guy and truly hope he can handle the physical rigors of training camp. AMEN!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Occum's Shaver says Rex did diddly. Hasty generalization says Rex didn't talk to Henderson, but it doesn't mean no one did. We have rushed to a conclusion with insufficient evidence or facts. One fact (Bills medical) became apparent, and changed our conclusion. Rex didn't talk to Henderson, but any further speculation has no basis in facts or evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 More likely, an ileostomy. Possibly. Some kind of ostomy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 So you write a complete BS story? Create the AWOL player story? Are you serious? So he supposedly reached out and the agent did not return his call right away so now he is AWOL? Turn anything you can into the most negative story possible- Ty Dunne has been the best FA signing by any Buffalo organization over the past year. Don't be so sensitive, he's class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 I am worried about the person at this point then the player Get well Seantrell Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 Wow, you're right. It all started when he was first able to use his arms and legs: I remember when it happened, they were mentioning some cutting-edge technique using super cold water or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted May 31, 2016 Share Posted May 31, 2016 It figures you turn this into yet another Rex indictment. Rex knowing is not the same as Rex speaking publicly about whether not not he has been in contact with the player. Rex strongly implied he knew nothing in an interview. Rex directly said he hadn't spoken with Henderson. Henderson's agent directly stated that he had not spoken to anyone on the coaching staff. Does it realistically seem more plausible to you that: A. Rex knows everything necessary and has a plan for Henderson. B. Rex is clueless and disorganized when it comes to knowing what to do with Henderson C. Something else....please describe. I realize none of us "know" the situation. I'm just asking which is most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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