boyst Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Yep. Is a person responsible for his own attitude or not? Simple question. GO BILLS!!! yes. It a good coach or ma ager can change that attitude very easily. A great coach can do even more. Anyone could see that was going to get backlash after being a new guy brought in to replace a team favorite. Anyone could see that Rex had to win over some guys. It seems he didn't. It seemed he didn't try to or care to the got the backward truck. I promise that it will one day be part of a running joke and a reflection of who Rex is and was in Buffalo. He's a joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 yes. It a good coach or ma ager can change that attitude very easily. A great coach can do even more. Anyone could see that was going to get backlash after being a new guy brought in to replace a team favorite. Anyone could see that Rex had to win over some guys. It seems he didn't. It seemed he didn't try to or care to the got the backward truck. I promise that it will one day be part of a running joke and a reflection of who Rex is and was in Buffalo. He's a joke Who's responsible for your attitude? Other than Rex Ryan, I mean. That was rhetorical, btw. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 The "realists" bend realities, make "mistakes" when they present their data and live mostly on the extreme end of assumptions for the sake of "realism." There is no counterweight to that which isn't hyperbolic for comedic effect. "Obnoxiously obtuse optimists" (and I'll happily march under their banner) get mired in having to just reel "realists" back to reality (ironically). There are people here who say the Bills will go 2-14 every season. And they mean it. Nobody says they'll go 14-2 without having their tongue pressed firmly into their cheek. To equate the two is "realist"-level absurdity. My mother was sure we were going 13-3 last season. I thought 12-4 was possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Who is more fun to hang out with at a party? GO BILLS!!! As one who has been tailgating with people from TSW at every home game for two decades........definitely the realists. I find the "optimists" in person to really be a depressed, worried, low self of steam lot. We rarely talk Bills at all during the tailgate.......because there isn't much good to say and the tailgate party is about celebrating. This forum however is specifically about the discussion of Bills football........it isn't a tailgate or a cheerleading forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I don't mind being suckered in each year. Honestly that's half the fun. The other half is drinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 The "realists" bend realities, make "mistakes" when they present their data and live mostly on the extreme end of assumptions for the sake of "realism." There is no counterweight to that which isn't hyperbolic for comedic effect. "Obnoxiously obtuse optimists" (and I'll happily march under their banner) get mired in having to just reel "realists" back to reality (ironically). There are people here who say the Bills will go 2-14 every season. And they mean it. Nobody says they'll go 14-2 without having their tongue pressed firmly into their cheek. To equate the two is "realist"-level absurdity. I know exactly what you mean, but I kind of feel most "realists" predict a 7-9 each season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I know exactly what you mean, but I kind of feel most "realists" predict a 7-9 each season. 7-9 will be a tall order this season, at least based on last year's records around the league and our upcoming schedule. And I say that as a longstanding member of Team Sunshine. "Keepin' it real" doesn't always equate to pessimism. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I don't mind being suckered in each year. Honestly that's half the fun. The other half is drinking. They actually compliment each other quite well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Who's responsible for your attitude? Other than Rex Ryan, I mean. That was rhetorical, btw. GO BILLS!!! I agree but I remember George Edwards and wannstadt. Then pettine and schwartz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I am not sure why one would find it hard to believe that people irrationally optimistically rooting for their team would be more accepted than people irrationally bashing the team. I mean geez. That's a puzzler. Are these the positive and negative threads from last year? Shouldn't they be pinned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I am not sure why one would find it hard to believe that people irrationally optimistically rooting for their team would be more accepted than people irrationally bashing the team. I mean geez. That's a puzzler. Are these the positive and negative threads from last year? Shouldn't they be pinned? I am not sure you know what the term irrational means...........bashing poor performance is RATIONAL. Do I need to remind you how this organization stands in relation to the rest of the NFL......or north american pro sports........in this century.......or in the organizations history? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) I am not sure you know what the term irrational means...........bashing poor performance is RATIONAL. Do I need to remind you how this organization stands in relation to the rest of the NFL......or north american pro sports........in this century.......or in the organizations history? Really? I am pretty sure I know exactly what it means. Do you? Bashing the Bills based on anything but the last few years is irrational. You guys love to hammer the streak home though. And yes predicting the demise of the Bills at 2-14 every year is irrational. There were quite a few saying it last year with our QB situation, and now quite a few saying it this year with Rex Ryan. Edited May 19, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Beaten Bills fan syndrome is a condition that occurs when the "Obnoxiously Obtuse Optimists" get knocked down a peg so consistently that they learn to cope thru denial, numbing of feelings, and extreme defensiveness. Often times people who suffer from BBFS have to talk themselves out of optimism in effort to avoid another BBFS attack. In doing this sometimes the victim can go too far and appear to be a "Nattering Nabob of Negativity". Edited May 19, 2016 by KzooMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I am pretty sure I know exactly what it means. Do you? Bashing the Bills based on anything but the last few years is irrational. You guys love to hammer the streak home though. And yes predicting the demise of the Bills at 2-14 every year is irrational. There were quite a few saying it last year with our QB situation, and now quite a few saying it this year with Rex Ryan. Who predicts the Bills to go 2-14 every year? I'd love to see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Personally, I'm a "glass half full" kind of guy. Unfortunately, it's half full of sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I agree but I remember George Edwards and wannstadt. Then pettine and schwartz Hypnosis might help. Just a guess. You can block certain stuff. (Schwartz was the exception, but losing him hurt almost as much as seeing his D helped!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdog1960 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Easy- The good looking women IMO. yep. i'm thinking they're not here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Who predicts the Bills to go 2-14 every year? I'd love to see that. That was an exaggeration but you get the point. They are out there, this board is better about it at least going by the prediction thread, venture outside of it, and you will see it plenty more. One of my coworkers heard the Sammy Watkins and Shaq Lawson news and immediately projected 3-13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 That was an exaggeration but you get the point. They are out there, this board is better about it at least going by the prediction thread, venture outside of it, and you will see it plenty more. One of my coworkers heard the Sammy Watkins and Shaq Lawson news and immediately projected 3-13. Do you enjoy a good wager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 (edited) Do you enjoy a good wager? Depends on the wager. Edit: Scratch that, I get it haha. I would be wise to bet him Edited May 19, 2016 by What a Tuel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Depends on the wager. Edit: Scratch that, I get it haha. I would be wise to bet him Not a gambler myself, but free money has a certain appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Then I suppose its a good thing that I haven't said anything even resembling that. My point, which is best understood by reading only what it is written, is that choosing to conflate the current status of the team with the last 15 years of utter mismanagement and despair, is a decidedly illogical way to view things and results in a more pessimistic view. You have not. But it's often been used as a line where suddenly all is new and improved. So far it's different, and different is exciting but really could break either direction long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 What about the equally annoying "Obnoxiously Obtuse Optimists" ??? I am not exactly a doom-sayer, but come on... this team has wallowed in stupidity and played punching bag to the PayTiolets for the better part of two decades now. Exactly how does that even come close to inspiring any real optimism, especially when year after year, this board is alight with blind-faith, blue sky optimism with little more than a few roster moves, maybe a signing of a washed up high priced free agent, and a bunch of gutless puffy chested tweets from a few players about how great they think they are? Before you reply and bash me, step back, and just look at the last 20 years of nonsense we've endured. If I'm even close to wrong, then I'll take my lumps. preach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Whaley probably isn't as good as I think. Rex probably isn't as bad as I think. Am I a moderate? What if Rex is as bad as I think (and my thoughts on that matter pre-date his arrival in Buffalo) but I really, really want him to be better and hope he is this year? Does that make me confused? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Release of vegas season win total wagers offers look at how teams are perceived Bills 8 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/05/18/release-of-season-win-total-wagers-offers-look-at-how-teams-are-perceived/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simpleman Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Easy- The good looking women IMO. As a single guy who can do more than just look, I prefer available women who do, over just good looking. Looks are not everything, attitude and availability are a key for a fun night and a nice brunch in the morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Avon Lake now Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I'm an optimist, but have dealt with the mediocrity of just good enough to not land a franchise QB to not good enough to land in the playoffs. Every year I think it will get better and my optimism renews. A few times we have been close enough to & 2014, but then crashed and burned at the end. Until we figure out how to beat the Patriots at least once a year, I feel we are doomed to this fate yearly. Here's hope for a new season. Go Bills! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seasons1992 Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I don't mind being suckered in each year. Honestly that's half the fun. The other half is drinking. *stands and applauds* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 As one who has been tailgating with people from TSW at every home game for two decades........definitely the realists. I find the "optimists" in person to really be a depressed, worried, low self of steam lot. We rarely talk Bills at all during the tailgate.......because there isn't much good to say and the tailgate party is about celebrating. This forum however is specifically about the discussion of Bills football........it isn't a tailgate or a cheerleading forum. Low self of steam?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? We're FULL of steam, as in FULL STEAM AHEAD!!! As opposed to simple hot air, which is what you miserable turkeys are full of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Based on page and post total...you guys don't have as much of a following as the optimists in the other thread. Better consult your playbook and stoke the fires some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Based on page and post total...you guys don't have as much of a following as the optimists in the other thread. Better consult your playbook and stoke the fires some more. Time to bring out the big guns. A treatise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Time to bring out the big guns. A treatise. Yes....and if you could "scoop" some stories, you might have more firepower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 As one who has been tailgating with people from TSW at every home game for two decades........definitely the realists. I find the "optimists" in person to really be a depressed, worried, low self of steam lot. We rarely talk Bills at all during the tailgate.......because there isn't much good to say and the tailgate party is about celebrating. This forum however is specifically about the discussion of Bills football........it isn't a tailgate or a cheerleading forum. We have obviously not tailgated together......although I do hope to get up there eventually! Putting my bills flag up the palm tree outside my house on game day is irritating the Raider and Charger fans that live around me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 Personally, I'm a "glass half full" kind of guy. Unfortunately, it's half full of sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 They actually compliment each other quite well. It's a stellar approach with a proven record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 As a single guy who can do more than just look, I prefer available women who do, over just good looking. Looks are not everything, attitude and availability are a key for a fun night and a nice brunch in the morning. You sound like the perfect wing man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bananathumb Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I was optimistic right up until the first, then second, then third, then fourth Super Bowl losses. Nothing to be positive about since the Norwood kick missed. If you can think of something, let me know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I was a card-carrying member of the OOO for years. But look where it got me. I think I'm joining the NNN. Gotta try something different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I was a card-carrying member of the OOO for years. But look where it got me. I think I'm joining the NNN. Gotta try something different. Please. The OOO in you believes that converting to NNN will be the difference. And it's the OOO in me that believes the same and will thank you to GTFO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted May 19, 2016 Share Posted May 19, 2016 I was a card-carrying member of the OOO for years. But look where it got me. I think I'm joining the NNN. Gotta try something different. Your gonna feel all dirty and need a shower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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