BADOLBILZ Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 My take is Marrone is on borrowed time if the team loses so many games again this year. I agree, if this team has a losing record this season I think it shows an inability to change the culture and Marrone gets fired. For all the talk about change, there was too much of the same-old from this team. Especially after that loss to KC. A lot of variable effort and results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I agree, if this team has a losing record this season I think it shows an inability to change the culture and Marrone gets fired. For all the talk about change, there was too much of the same-old from this team. Especially after that loss to KC. A lot of variable effort and results. It's been one year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 No salary cap on trainers. Dollar for dollar their might not be a better investment that a team could make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 No salary cap on trainers. Dollar for dollar their might not be a better investment that a team could make. I've heard of Dr. James Andrews. I don't care if he's a surgeon and not a trainer. Git r dun. Or maybe Pantywad Graham is making this stuff up. More from P.W. Graham: @ByTimGraham: Interesting dynamic emerging btw younger Bills staffers and F.O. greybeards they refer to as "lifers," meddling with hopes. Blog to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prickly Pete Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Maybe they want to bring in some guys from the Seahawks pharmacy...err, "training" staff? Edited February 24, 2014 by Marauder'sMicro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle flap Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/02/23/sources-disconnect-youngsters-lifers-bills-organization/ Scouts and coaches have been aggravated with decisions made by chief financial officer Jeffrey C. Littman (with the team since 1986), senior vice president of football administration Jim Overdorf (with the team since 1986) and senior vice president of communications Scott Berchtold (with the team since 1989). OH SNAP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/02/23/sources-disconnect-youngsters-lifers-bills-organization/ OH SNAP! I think it's...let me check....yep....ITS ON LIKE A MOFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) It's been one year And such is the problem with not going all out to get a staff off on the right foot. They made the same mistake when they hired Gailey. In making it near impossible for teams to be consistently competitive without exceptional QB play.......but still being short of quality QB's.......the NFL coaching profession has turned into a momentum game. Ask Leslie Frazier, Mike Shanahan or Gary Kubiak to name a few recent examples. The Bills were guilty of firing Gailey despite not actually giving him the tools to win......they fired him because his forward momentum ceased and his players were subsequently showing a lack of faith in his program. If the Bills are aware of this new NFL reality they would be looking hard at one of those QB's if they slide in round 1. If EJ falls and there isn't another potential franchise QB ready to take over then the momentum stops cold. Then it's a question of whether you want to start year 3 of Marrone with another rookie QB and a roster full of players who associate that staff with bad QB decisions and losing. Edited February 24, 2014 by BADOLBEELZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 http://bills.buffalo...s-organization/ OH SNAP! Well, either Tim is making stuff up (doubtful) or the differences are finally being illustrated by a local writer. This franchise has been suspected for years of doing what the new coaching staff is alleging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 http://bills.buffalo...s-organization/ OH SNAP! I've never been a bigger Marrone and Whaley fan than I am after reading that article...This should be interesting...We'll see how true Russ is to his word I guess...Because from the outside looking in all these years it seems like a no-brainer (to me at least) to give Marrone and Whaley what they want... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 It pains me to say it but that nancy boy Tim Graham done good with this piece. I'm glad it's out there rather than the usual whispers. It at least puts a little heat on the bean counters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle flap Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 It at least puts a little heat on the bean counters Especially considering the timing. I read that to mean Whaley wants to pony up for Byrd, but Overdorf does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Especially considering the timing. I read that to mean Whaley wants to pony up for Byrd, but Overdorf does not. Wouldn't be shocked at all if Whaley or marrone were the sources of the leak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 http://bills.buffalo...s-organization/ OH SNAP! And this is what I am talking about. When you hire tired old hands like Jauron and Gailey they take what you give them and are just glad to have the job. Whaley and Marrone aren't spent yet. It's about time somebody they hired had the balls to let it be known that they weren't willing to go down in flames with bad decisions from Ralph's inner circle just to get a chance to stay in the game for another season. This is a direct slap in the face to all of the people who claimed that great change had been made within the organization. You were wrong. When the coach and GM have to float their gripe into the local media......whom they rarely share anything with.....you know that they feel their lack of power within the organization is a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The question now is does anything change? Russ can't send Whaley and Marrone packing, nor are they going to change their organizational priorities. Littmann, Overdorf, and Berchtold are on solid ground and aren't going anywhere either. Russ has his work cut out from him and it doesn't sound like he's making the situation better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 I'm not buying 80% of this story. Can't imagine a scenario wherein an aligned HC and GM wouldn't have Russ's blessing. This is the Bills were talking about here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) The question now is does anything change? Russ can't send Whaley and Marrone packing, nor are they going to change their organizational priorities. Littmann, Overdorf, and Berchtold are on solid ground and aren't going anywhere either. Russ has his work cut out from him and it doesn't sound like he's making the situation better. Brandon is squarely in the cross-hairs in this situation...This is the first real big test for him...Not hiring Marrone, or elevating Whaley, because those were organizational decisions...If he truly has the power he claims to have he can shake things up big-time and further move this franchise into the 21st century...If not I don't think you'll see Marrone or Whaley wait it out longer than a couple more years...I don't see either of them being the types that are going to simply be yes men for very long...They're young...But they're not dumb... This is the Bills were talking about here Agreed...Any other team and I would have my doubts as well...But this is the Buffalo Bills and...well...enough said... Edited February 24, 2014 by KOKBILLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 This is the Bills were talking about here I deleted the post after the second installment. As much as I hate Timmah, I'm hoping against hope these conveniently times "leaks" (one against the media guy no less) are the smoke before the fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Does this report officially mean Tim is back in TBD's good graces? This is shaping up to be the most interesting off-season since Butler and Wade were fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 http://bills.buffalonews.com/2014/02/23/sources-disconnect-youngsters-lifers-bills-organization/ OH SNAP! Great. Just when we thought the Browns were in worse organizational crap than us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Great. Just when we thought the Browns were in worse organizational crap than us... If this story is true I believe it's a good thing...This clash has been coming for a while and we may finally have some young, energetic, intelligent individuals that recognize the need for change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Cat Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 If this story is true I believe it's a good thing...This clash has been coming for a while and we may finally have some young, energetic, intelligent individuals that recognize the need for change... But do they have the clout to affect it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 But do they have the clout to affect it? Probably not... Or maybe I should say...Unfortunately, probably not... But there's always hope... If you don't have hope than there really is no reason to be a Buffalo Bills fan anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodbuster Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 If this story is true I believe it's a good thing...This clash has been coming for a while and we may finally have some young, energetic, intelligent individuals that recognize the need for change... Oh yeah. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I bet someone in Whaleys camp leaked this because talks with Byrd are going bad, and Overdorf is killing any chance the Bills had of making a deal. Overdorf is cheap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffHead Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share Posted February 24, 2014 Oh yeah. I'm not saying this is a bad thing. I bet someone in Whaleys camp leaked this because talks with Byrd are going bad, and Overdorf is killing any chance the Bills had of making a deal. Overdorf is cheap? Overdorf is cheap Berchtold is a sports information director (I can just picture Scotty throwing a temper tantrum when the youngsters call him an SID) Littman has little man syndrome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Its just bizarre. Whaley was here for a year or two before assuming GM position. He didnt understand the clout those 3 buffoons had? This is 100 percent about the Byrd talks and this confirms to me Byrd is gone and Whaley is getting it out there via this message that it wasn't bc him and Marrone wanted him gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJasper Probincrux III Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 This is a test of Brandon's commitment in Marrone and Whaley. He could probably get away with marginalizing Littman and Overdorf if not outright firing them but if it went badly it would put his head squarely on the block. Polian hated these guys too and they all survived so football acumen and success aren't necessarily relevant. It's the Bills after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Its just bizarre. Whaley was here for a year or two before assuming GM position. He didnt understand the clout those 3 buffoons had? This is 100 percent about the Byrd talks and this confirms to me Byrd is gone and Whaley is getting it out there via this message that it wasn't bc him and Marrone wanted him gone. It was supposed to be different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 If this story is true I believe it's a good thing...This clash has been coming for a while and we may finally have some young, energetic, intelligent individuals that recognize the need for change... I agree. Having said that, what a time for something like this to get out. Does Russ Brandon address this report at all or does he stay silent and hopes it all goes away? All eyes are on you, Mr. Brandon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
808 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 overdorf/littman are the 2 i have been suspecting of real being behind a lot of the disastrous last 14 years. they are the main consistent factor. i mean how can the GM not be in charge of contract negotiations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealityCheck Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 This could have been leaked by Byrd's camp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 overdorf/littman are the 2 i have been suspecting of real being behind a lot of the disastrous last 14 years. they are the main consistent factor. i mean how can the GM not be in charge of contract negotiations? I agree but it's also pretty obvious these 2 are the problem and always have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingon Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Yeah, this ends one way. Marrone and Whaley will get what they want. What are the Bills going to do, fire their coach and GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Yeah, this ends one way. Marrone and Whaley will get what they want. What are the Bills going to do, fire their coach and GM? Brandon stood on a podium and assured the ticket-buying public that things would change in the way the team was run. He lied, or was lied to himself. Vote with your pocketbooks and/or wait for a new owner. Because this report foreshadows another losing season. And also: the so-called "board room" (whomever that consists of) certainly isn't going to vote to divest themselves of power - that never, ever happens. Change would have to be imposed on them from above. If this report is true, it means that Brandon isn't the "new boss" as we had all been led to believe - he still reports (in some crooked semi-horizontal, semi-vertical dotted line fashion) to Littman and Overdorf. What a disaster. I really, really detest Ralph Wilson. Edited February 24, 2014 by Coach Tuesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 overdorf/littman are the 2 i have been suspecting of real being behind a lot of the disastrous last 14 years. they are the main consistent factor. i mean how can the GM not be in charge of contract negotiations? What does the GM do if not determine a player's value to the team? Sure he has a million other responsibilities as well, but that is the most important part of his job. Hopefully Whaley wins this battle but I don't have much hope. Hell, Whaley and Marrone have so little power they can't even fire a trainer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Probably not... Or maybe I should say...Unfortunately, probably not... But there's always hope... If you don't have hope than there really is no reason to be a Buffalo Bills fan anymore... Yes, there's always hope... hope that new ownership will be here soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) overdorf/littman are the 2 i have been suspecting of real being behind a lot of the disastrous last 14 years. they are the main consistent factor. i mean how can the GM not be in charge of contract negotiations? I support Marrone and Whaley in all of this. Obviously what the organizations has done in the past hasn't worked. If they want new and modern methods in place then there's a reason. As for Overdorf, I knew him in the past and he can be an arrogant prick sometimes. Doesn't surprise me if he's rubbing the "new guys" the wrong way over there. Edited February 24, 2014 by zow2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) This could have been leaked by Byrd's camp. Given TGs glowing review last year, I was going to say its possible that Parker is using this to create unrest in the front office. Knowing how bad fans want to hear this, there'd be few questions and more "I knew it." Both the source (TG) and the timing (smack dab in Byrd talks and not at the close of the season) atleast qualify as possible indicators. I'm skipping the TG article and relying on the cliff notes and conversation though. Edited February 24, 2014 by NoSaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Yea, but they are fighting the status quo. This owner admires loyalty, so as long as they show up...then its good enough for him! What freaking team would keep head scout Tom Modrak with a draft history like he had for a over a decade. So many, many questionable hires over the years... Kay Stephenson anyone? By the same token he also holds a grudge, and is notoriously cantankerous. i.e, John Butler, Bill Polian. When I read the ESPN report that Buddy Nix wanted to hire Marty Schottenheimer for his first choice as his HC, and the owner stated he didn't "feel comfortable" with that choice. (Probably because he knew Marty wouldn't allow him himself to be micromanaged over the phone every day for hours) I knew the Bills were done until the team gets new ownership, sadly. Unless of course Marrone wants to hire another good bud, like Crossman. Mike Mularkey screwed the team when he brought in his friend as the( trainer ) strength & conditioning coach, and let Rusty Jones go. http://articles.chic...oach-phil-emery My take is Marrone is on borrowed time if the team loses so many games again this year. Now you know why people like Bill Cowher didn't want the Bills HCing job, as it is an effort in futility until ownership passes. Wilson is dedicated to his three headed monster... While I wouldn't be that upset if Marrone and his staff were canned after this season. You have to wonder how long a talent like Whaley will stay knowing he is hamstrung by others incompetent decisions. In my view Whaley did a very Bill Polian-esque like job as GM last season. Jerry Hughes, Manny Lawson, Alan Branch. Kiko. The very first QB taken with the first pick in the first round in franchise history. We will find out if all that success was Nix / Whaley or just Whaley this off season. Although, someone needs to take the fall for last seasons O line debacle, and it fits Nix like a glove. Him and is inept ideas that OG's are a dime a dozen and any big body can play OT, the bigger the better. Last years O line moves with Colin Brown in replacing Levitre are reminiscent of 2010, and Nix bringing in Cornell Green for 2 mill per, and with the same results....cut after 6 weeks! Edited February 24, 2014 by FeartheLosing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Power struggle within an NFL organization? Shocking. Going on with the majority of teams. Hope Brandon gets things to a good place. This all happened when Ralph was in charge day-to-day for 30 years. As everyone else says, Brandon has the opportunity now to make the changes to give Marrone and Whaley what they want as it is now in his control to give Whaley the contract negotiations and a new training staff. Edited February 24, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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