Hip drop tackle officially banned

[BigDingus]

8 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Only if you do it in a certain way.

I think I remember the issue being pointed out was the taking the legs out and pinning them down as they took them down from behind, that's the thing that leads to injuries that they want to avoid.

 

If that's illegal now, how are people supposed to wrap them up tackle them when running from behind? I'm trying to envision chasing a guy and grabbing him, but not being able to drop to the ground to stop them.

 

Do you just lunge at their feet & trip them? Grab them by the jersey & hope to swing them down while running? Launch yourself like a missile & hope you knock them forward? This rule is DEFINITELY going to screw us (and many other teams) over in many games this season.

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

No, I think it will be like the horse collar tackle. Players will adapt and stop tackling that way, except rarely, like the horse collar.

 

And I think players adapted to the body weight rule (which I do think is ridiculous and should be removed. A QB should be able to be tackled just like any other player. I'm not a proponent of protecting QB's. I think all players should be treated roughly the same. I'm also not a big fan of the defenseless receiver rule, apart from head shots. Head shots should be illegal regardless of position). You see guys try to let up instead of driving them into the ground like they used to. So, I would say it had the intended impact, even though I don't agree with it.

Very small if the Bills tackle correctly. Very high if they tackle illegally.

 

I do wish that this is reviewable, however. But it won't be, since it is a penalty.

Can’t wait to watch plays like DK Metcalf chasing down Buddha Baker be called “hip drop” personal fouls.

[paulmm3]

I watched a video and these just look like normal tackles to me

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, paulmm3 said:

I watched a video and these just look like normal tackles to me

I have seen the Logan Wilson tackle on Mark Andrews cited as an example, but the NFL came out and said it WASN’T.

 

This is gonna be a predictable disaster. And we will all keep watching lol.

[Amorgus]

1 hour ago, paulmm3 said:

I watched a video and these just look like normal tackles to me

I can now see from the videos that the tacklers are purposely trying to jam their torso or hips into the back of people's knees as they drop with their full body weight to get the knees to buckle. That's bound to do serious damage.

[Punching Bag]

9 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Has the league provided any video demonstrating what is allowed and what is not. Where do you draw the line? This sounds like a giant gray area, worse than “is that a catch?” 

 

But not as gray as Tuck rule which was oddly very colored and colorless at same time.

[steven50]

So if a 180 pound cb is trying to tackle a 255 pound tight-end running at full speed what he is supposed to do, jump on him and ride on his back?

[GoBills808]

4 minutes ago, steven50 said:

So if a 180 pound cb is trying to tackle a 255 pound tight-end running at full speed what he is supposed to do, jump on him and ride on his back?

Stay low and on balance

Aim inside hip

Drive through w shoulder pad, wrap and maintain active feet

 

[RyanC883]

9 hours ago, MJS said:

Exactly!! People just don't understand what this is. I was skeptical at first, but then I researched it. Now I'm convinced this is the right move.

 

Nonsense. D and offensive players commenting on how ridiculous this rule is.  

[steven50]

6 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Stay low and on balance

Aim inside hip

Drive through w shoulder pad, wrap and maintain active feet

 

all the "active feet" in the world are not going to help you when the other guy is going full speed and outweighs you by 70 or 80 pounds. Your dreaming.

[GoBills808]

13 minutes ago, steven50 said:

all the "active feet" in the world are not going to help you when the other guy is going full speed and outweighs you by 70 or 80 pounds. Your dreaming.

Smaller guys have been tackling bigger guys since forever, they will manage

[Mango]

Im pro making the game safer. But I don’t get how this is even enforceable. 

[Jauronimo]

56 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Nonsense. D and offensive players commenting on how ridiculous this rule is.  

D and offensive players said it was ridiculous when they were no longer allowed to put the crown of their helmets on an opponents chin or drill them in the ear hole.  And then it was the concussion protocol that was ridiculous.  I'm sure helmet rules were once considered ridiculous yet the game has survived.

 

Do whatever it is that you need to do to cope.  Go out back and set all your NFL gear on fire, get on twitter and try to launch another NFL boycott, and get it all out of your system in time for the 2024-2025 season.  Besides, theres PSLs to rage about.

[MJS]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

Can’t wait to watch plays like DK Metcalf chasing down Buddha Baker be called “hip drop” personal fouls.

That was not an illegal tackle then or now. Go watch it. He drags him down without performing a hip drop tackle.

[Dr. Who]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

D and offensive players said it was ridiculous when they were no longer allowed to put the crown of their helmets on an opponents chin or drill them in the ear hole.  And then it was the concussion protocol that was ridiculous.  I'm sure helmet rules were once considered ridiculous yet the game has survived.

 

Do whatever it is that you need to do to cope.  Go out back and set all your NFL gear on fire, get on twitter and try to launch another NFL boycott, and get it all out of your system in time for the 2024-2025 season.  Besides, theres PSLs to rage about.

Might be correct. Football was almost outlawed when college kids were routinely dying on the field because of its brutality. Doesn't mean that a rule change can't be a mistake. There is a level of violence inherent in the game. We'll see how this plays out.

 

The larger issue is the malleability of the rules to the idiosyncrasies of interpretation by individual referees, and the seemingly arbitrary and inconsistent manner that they are applied. The NFL wanted that close-up of Kelce and Swift celebrating a Super Bowl triumph. Doesn't mean it was scripted, but the vulnerability of the game to the whims of officials is what gives fans the feeling that the narrative can be easily shaped by a call at a propitious moment. 

[nuiwek]

18 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

For clarification: Players are still permitted to hip-drop tackle their significant others. 

Whew was worried

[Spiderweb]

18 hours ago, Malazan said:

There's too many rules. They need to eliminate some rules. Every time they do something like this, players have to find a new way and it ends up worse. Focus on simplifying and enforcing the rules you have..

The hip drop tackle had to be banned. It is far too injurious to the player it was used on. 

[eball]

I’d be curious to know just how many of the “this is ridiculous” detractors actually know what a hip-drop tackle even is.

 

[nucci]

 

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, MJS said:

That was not an illegal tackle then or now. Go watch it. He drags him down without performing a hip drop tackle.

They will get it wrong 

[Kmart128]

Cant go low on QBs, cant go high to neck and above, and now cant go for waist. Whats left. Chest tackles and hope that refs dont think you hit to high. 

 

If a player doesnt wanna get hurt on yackles like that then just go down when youre wrapped up around the waist. Those plays only happen cause offensive player is trying to break out of the tackle.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Reason #8quadrillion building defense makes no sense.

 

the rules just don't allow defenders to defend. can't hit high or low, can't tackle from behind at the waist, can't touch receivers, can't hit QB

 

Build offense.

 

[Jauronimo]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

They will get it wrong 

They still don't know what a catch is.  Who gives a *****?

[FireChans]

Just now, Jauronimo said:

They still don't know what a catch is.  Who gives a *****?

I do? 
 

I will watch every game like I do every year, but it was annoying when the body weight rule changed and they overcalled it on every pass rusher for breathing on the QB for 2-3 years. 
 

This will be more of the same. They will overcall on things that AREN’T the type of play they are trying to legislate out of the game. It will ruin a couple games. I’ll still watch. 

[Jauronimo]

Just now, FireChans said:

I do? 
 

I will watch every game like I do every year, but it was annoying when the body weight rule changed and they overcalled it on every pass rusher for breathing on the QB for 2-3 years. 
 

This will be more of the same. They will overcall on things that AREN’T the type of play they are trying to legislate out of the game. It will ruin a couple games. I’ll still watch. 

Name me one rule the officials don't get wrong and we can start from there as a establishing "the officials will get it wrong" as a valid reason not to try and protect players from themselves.

[Green Lightning]

Another ridiculous rule for  incompetent refs to interpret.  How else can you tackle from behind?

[Beck Water]

On 3/25/2024 at 10:16 AM, LabattBlue said:

So this is if you go to tackle a player around the waist, and slide down to his knees or ankles?

 

No, not at all.  It's where you go to tackle a player and get some extra force to bring him down by dropping YOUR hips and kicking your legs up.

resulting in the defender's body weight landing on the offensive player's legs and feet, with a high potential to cause injury.

 

I understand the intent behind the rule, my problem is that I believe it will become Yet Another Rule referees misinterpret or enforce inequitably.

 

Here is a Rugby video I found about what is or isn't a hip-drop tackle

 

 

Edited March 26 by Beck Water

[SoonerBillsFan]

Look this tackle needed to be banned period.

[Amorgus]

The rugby video explains the concept very well and shows it's an intentional choice. We've seen the damage that someone just rolling free into the back of someone's calves and feet can cause. Now imagine someone holding onto your body high while flopping their lower half on your legs, pulling everything above the knee one direction with arm strength and everything below the knee gets pulled the opposite direction by their full body weight. 

[Ballhawk]

I think it's ok, but anyone that has played Defense in the last 100 years was told Defense was "read and react". Increasingly defenses are having to adjust on the fly, literally. I don't know how a defender can play while not trusting his instincts to react. I suspect we are going to see a lot of offensive players take advantage of that initiative.

 

Even the (alleged) "fake slide" by Allen against Pittsburgh. While I happen to not think it was a fake slide, it is a good example of how defenses are screwed as you can't lay off a hit once you've committed, so you have to do it early enough for the offensive player to see it and still react. The net result of adjusting to new rules is that talented offensive players will take advantage of that indecision.

Edited March 26 by Ballhawk

[FireChans]

4 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Name me one rule the officials don't get wrong and we can start from there as a establishing "the officials will get it wrong" as a valid reason not to try and protect players from themselves.

If you’re looking for a nuanced discussion about the balance of the value of player safety vs the enjoyment I experience while watching on my couch, you’ve come to the wrong place.

[Jauronimo]

Just now, FireChans said:

If you’re looking for a nuanced discussion about the balance of the value of player safety vs the enjoyment I experience while watching on my couch, you’ve come to the wrong place.

I get more enjoyment watching each team's best on best than I do watching AJ Klein trying to cover Travis Kelce down the seam.

[QCity]

No doubt we will get flagged for this against KC in the playoffs.

[Buffalo ill]

[Buffalo716]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

That's not a hip drop tackle and half the people in this thread don't understand what the league is taking away

 

It's literally less than 1% of tackles... It may be happens once a game.. and it is 100% The defenders choice

 

That defender did not drop his body weight onto the back of his opponent's legs snapping his ankle or leg

 

That is what a hip drop tackle is.. dropping your body weight onto the back of the offensive players leg which is super destructive to the body 

Edited March 26 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo ill]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That's not a hip drop tackle and half the people in this thread don't understand what the league is taking away

 

It's literally less than 1% of tackles... It may be happens once a game.. and it is 100% The defenders choice

 

That defender did not drop his body weight onto the back of his opponent's legs snapping his ankle or leg

 

That is what a hip drop tackle is.. dropping your body weight onto the back of the offensive players leg which is super destructive to the body 

Though it may not be a "text book" hip drop, just the possibility that the refs can and will use it to change the outcome of a game is unacceptable.

[GoBills808]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

This would still be legal fwiw

 

I think it's clear folks don't understand what kinds of plays this rule is trying to get rid of

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

Though it may not be a "text book" hip drop, just the possibility that the refs can and will use it to change the outcome of a game is unacceptable.

As someone who has been coaching for 30 years I clearly understand what a hip drop tackle is and what it looks like

 

As I said it's less than 1% of tackles in a football game and the refs clearly can tell.. you fall differently

 

It's very easy to see when a grown man drops his an entire body weight onto the lower appendages of another man.. completely different than tackling somebody around the legs

Edited March 26 by Buffalo716

[Buffalo ill]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

As someone who has been coaching for 30 years I clearly understand what a hip drop tackle is and what it looks like

 

As I said it's less than 1% of tackles in a football game and the refs clearly can tell.. you fall differently

 

It's very easy to see when a grown man drops his an entire body weight onto the lower appendages of another man.. completely different than tackling somebody around the legs

I don't care if you personally played football with OJ, the game needs fewer rules. 

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

I don't care if you personally played football with OJ, the game needs fewer rules. 

It needs fewer rules that are arbitrarily stupid

 

This is an actual safety issue... Players that get tackled this way don't get up most of the time... Because it breaks ankles and legs at a much higher percentage

 

This is not going to be a rule change that is going to cause seven extra flags a game... You will be able to go entire games without it even being called

 

Because it happens once a game... And it's usually always with intent

 

You don't tackle somebody like that by accident.. professionals don't