Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Jordan Palmer and Kyle Allen talked about it on one of the podcasts.  Josh clearly doesn't start as early as he did his first years - but he also had significant throwing arm injuries the last 2 seasons, so we don't know how medical advice played into that.

 

I also have the impression that Josh may have changed who he works with, as he talked (post season this year) about making sure he spent time with the "appropriate people" working on his throwing mechanics because with the shoulder injury, he reverted and struggled a bit during the season.  So you may well be correct that Josh "dialed back" his relationship with Palmer, but it doesn't follow he's not working with someone.

 

 

It doesn't follow. Very fair point.

 

But it does make it seem like that's most likely. Allen has never been shy about telling us what he does in the offseason to get better, or allowing the people he's worked with to talk about it either.

 

Why would he? People love it. And yet, very little lately.

 

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

This is hogwash.  As I've said, Josh gets criticism here - including from me - but there's a big difference between fact-based criticism based on what is objectively on film and film analysis by people who know what they're seeing (Kurt Warner, JT O'Sullivan, Greg Cosell, etc) and fluffing up rampant speculation about how hard the guy works or doesn't work based on a handful of breadcrumbs and no real knowledge of his off-season schedule.

 

 

 

He does get criticism. Not much. He's the face of the franchise and their best player, and it's as natural as gravity that guys like that are loved and thus not attacked as much as others. 90% may be high. But not all that high.

 

And while some breadcrumb-reading is going on, it's also things he said, particularly on that Bussin' with the Boys podcast last offseason. In past year in interviews this time of year he'd talk golf and what he was doing to prepare for the season. Lately we heard about golf, but football not nearly so much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

For calibration purposes, check out his take on Dalton Kincaid from last June, quoted here:

 

 

I would like to see an exact quote or a transcript where he says those words. 

Watch the bussin with the boys interview. It’s all right there. Starts about 1:06:45 in. He’s asked about how he prepares in the offseason. It goes on for a while as they talk other things in between.

 

 

Edited March 21 by Buffalo_Stampede

[H2o]

This is the perfect thread to bring all of the 🤡's and haters out.

 

Let me preface this by saying Mahomes and Allen are #1 and #2 in the entire NFL right now. I don't care about MVP's, Pro Bowl's, All Pro's, Player voted rankings, none of that. And show me a single QB in this league who means more to his entire team, who carries more of the weight for his entire team, than Josh Allen. There isn't one. Their statistical runs have been matched by no other in NFL history. 

 

In the last 4 seasons:

 

Pat Mahomes - 20,148 total yds w/ 151 Total TD's

Josh Allen - 20,010 total yds w/ 173 Total TD's

 

No other player in the NFL is close to them. Herbert is a combined 2,000 behind Allen and Mahomes w/ 48 less TD's than JA17 in that time. You can claim it's because of injuries for the other "top" QB's in the NFL as to why they aren't close, but durability is also a necessary quality to be an elite QB. In that same span, Lamar Jackson has only amassed 14,916 total yds and 100 total TD's. That is almost 6,000 less yards in that time and 71 less TD's than Allen, but some of the "sports media" bobbleheads would have you believe that Lamar is better than JA17. COMPLETE horse manure. Clearly, these two (Mahomes and Allen) are the cream of the crop. 

 

In this social media age where people think every aspect of life is or should be put out there, some still don't have their lives on blast for everyone to see. Just because people post videos talking about "we're out here doing this" or "we're out here doing that" doesn't mean the people who don't post about every aspect of their lives are doing nothing. So, ok, Mahomes and his guys are supposedly working out now. That doesn't mean they are going to work through the entire offseason. JA is out with his girl right now, most likely, and enjoying time with her. It's the OFFSEASON. There is a reason why it's called that. You can bet money, though, that Josh and his guys will be getting together at some point and putting in work as well. Josh also still works with Jordan Palmer. There was an interview Palmer did last year talking about his work with JA17 and Kyle Allen. Josh is still going to put in work, but he's also going to decompress and enjoy his life away from the game. Anyone who expects someone to be "football, football, football" 24-7 for the entirety of their career is just delusional. 

 

Josh is not just some slug in the offseason who does nothing but swing golf clubs, pound beers, and pound actresses. He still puts in work. The main difference the last few years, and I have said this time and time again, is Daboll is no longer here. Josh and Dabs had a special relationship that went beyond football. When he left for the NY Giants I believe it really took a toll on Josh. Dabs understood Josh. Dabs schemed the entire offense for Josh. Dabs let Josh be himself and catered to his strengths. Dabs also knew how to put receivers in the places they needed to be for the offense to be successful. He new the route concepts that worked, the ones Josh favored, and how to fit it all in against the opposing defenses each week. I'm not saying I was always happy with Daboll's play calling, but Daboll was Josh's guy. It was obvious that Dorsey was not. In their time together, Josh just didn't seem to be having fun anymore. It could also have been his personal issues leaking over onto the field. To think that doesn't happen for guys is ignorant at the least. We started to see the old Josh again once Brady took over. I think with a full offseason on tap, and a complete installation of his offense, that Josh and Brady are going to get that same mojo working that he and Dabs had. I'm gonna go ahead and call it now, that in 2024 Josh is going to have the best statistical season of his career. Passing TD's will be up, TO's will be down, and he'll be all in the MVP convo once again. Whether he wins it or not, who knows. But Josh is going to light it up this year. 

[White Linen]

10 hours ago, FireChans said:

You must be confusing me with someone far more dramatic 

There’s exactly zero non-all time great QB’s that have won 3 or more Superbowls.

 

I'm pretty sure I've got the dramatic part correct. 

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, White Linen said:

 

I'm pretty sure I've got the dramatic part correct. 

Yeah well, you were pretty sure I pledged to never come back to TBD a minute ago, so what you’re pretty sure about means quite little.

[ddaryl]

Like I tell my boss....

"I take 2 viagra every morning... SO when I'm working you know I'm working hard!"

Edited March 21 by ddaryl

[Beck Water]

21 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

It doesn't follow. Very fair point.

 

But it does make it seem like that's most likely. Allen has never been shy about telling us what he does in the offseason to get better, or allowing the people he's worked with to talk about it either.

 

Why would he? People love it. And yet, very little lately.

 

To be fair, a lot of media pundits were "all over" talking to Josh during and after his "sea change" in completion % from 59% in 2019 to 69% in 2020.  That kind of improvement was regarded as pretty much unprecedented, and coupled with a passing yards jump from 3089 to 4544, both Josh Allen and Jordan Palmer were highly in demand to talk about "what happened?" "howdja duit?"

 

I think Allen recognized he had a media obligation and obliged, but while he's backslid some from the completion %, the overall improvement has remained, so it's really no longer a story.  It's clear it wasn't a flash in the pan, and now several other QBs have made similar improvements (and several have not).

 

I could be wrong, but I also think that at heart, Josh is really a private person and would just as soon have the media butt out and stay out of his off season.  I think (and I have no substantiation about this) he's had some tension with Jordan Palmer, partly because Jordan was speaking about (and sometimes for) Josh, A Lot, on his media circuit (including in at least one instance on their QB podcast something Josh clearly wasn't down to talk about because it didn't sound great).  It wouldn't surprise me if Josh went looking for another QB guru who was willing to work with him quietly and not use him as a free ride to promote himself and his biz.

 

Now whether that's true, and whether whoever he's found is as good, better, not as good, same as Palmer - can't tell you.

Edited March 21 by Beck Water

[BADOLBILZ]

15 hours ago, Success said:

Anyone seen a dropoff in how well he's playing?

 

 

 

 

Yes, notably as a passer compared to 2020.

 

He's a gamer and experience has improved him in some regards but he still makes a lot of bad "gunslinger" decisions.  More than in 2020, when he was working to disprove the notion that he was a turnover machine, for instance.

 

 And it's not just throwing 3 interceptions to the same guy on opening night.   He's susceptible to critical mental mistakes even when his focus is seemingly great that day.  That 2nd and 9 throw to Shakir with 2 minutes left against KC.........with Diggs wide open for the first.........was just an undisciplined mistake that ultimately got him beat despite a largely brilliant performance otherwise.   The devil is in the details when it comes to being the best or just another excellent one.    

 

Mahomes is focused.   He's got a simpler life away from the field........his offseason life is largely about preparing so he's built a compound in Texas to train with his receivers there.  He's on the hunt for Tom Brady's records/status.  

 

Josh is not at that level as a competitor away from the field and now that he's 0-3 in the playoffs and 3 SB wins and 4 SB appearances behind Mahomes I suspect that only disincentivizes him a bit more.    It's not like Brady being great made Big Ben or Aaron Rodgers elevate their games as leaders.    They just kept doing what THEY do.  And never won another SB after getting their wins early in their careers.    

[Buffalo_Stampede]

It’s really not that deep guys. I was just looking for a conversation. I saw Mahomes working with his new WR and I thought about that Bussin with the Boys interview with Allen.

 

Allen is easily a top 3-4 QB in the league. 

[Success]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Yes, notably as a passer compared to 2020.

 

He's a gamer and experience has improved him in some regards but he still makes a lot of bad "gunslinger" decisions.  More than in 2020, when he was working to disprove the notion that he was a turnover machine, for instance.

 

 And it's not just throwing 3 interceptions to the same guy on opening night.   He's susceptible to critical mental mistakes even when his focus is seemingly great that day.  That 2nd and 9 throw to Shakir with 2 minutes left against KC.........with Diggs wide open for the first.........was just an undisciplined mistake that ultimately got him beat despite a largely brilliant performance otherwise.   The devil is in the details when it comes to being the best or just another excellent one.    

 

Mahomes is focused.   He's got a simpler life away from the field........his offseason life is largely about preparing so he's built a compound in Texas to train with his receivers there.  He's on the hunt for Tom Brady's records/status.  

 

Josh is not at that level as a competitor away from the field and now that he's 0-3 in the playoffs and 3 SB wins and 4 SB appearances behind Mahomes I suspect that only disincentivizes him a bit more.    It's not like Brady being great made Big Ben or Aaron Rodgers elevate their games as leaders.    They just kept doing what THEY do.  And never won another SB after getting their wins early in their careers.    

 

I'll always disagree w/ the bolded.

 

That play was designed for the shot to Shakir, and he was open.  It's not undisciplined or even a mistake to throw to a wide open receiver in the endzone.

 

You may not get that again on that drive.  Defenses tighten up once you get into the red zone, and having an easy opportunity for a TD is never a guarantee.  Any good or great QB goes for Shakir there.

 

[Chaos]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I don't know. But I really hope he works hard this offseason. I feel like Josh being dialled in is the difference between this team being in a lot of one score games and us winning more comfortably. 

How is it possible to disagree with “my understanding “. Separately double check your sarcasm detection system 

[FireChans]

6 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

Josh is not at that level as a competitor away from the field and now that he's 0-3 in the playoffs and 3 SB wins and 4 SB appearances behind Mahomes I suspect that only disincentivizes him a bit more.

We see this on TBD. In 2020, it was “we can win multiple Superbowls with Josh and be in the mix every year.”

 

It’s unfortunately turned into “just one for the love of God.”

[Brand J]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

I'll always disagree w/ the bolded.

 

That play was designed for the shot to Shakir, and he was open.  It's not undisciplined or even a mistake to throw to a wide open receiver in the endzone.

 

You may not get that again on that drive.  Defenses tighten up once you get into the red zone, and having an easy opportunity for a TD is never a guarantee.  Any good or great QB goes for Shakir there.

 

When Kurt Warner dissected the play, he said based on the look the defense was giving he would’ve came off the Shakir read and looked for the crosser. He thought Shakir wouldn’t have came open given how the safeties were playing. Obviously Shakir did pop open after waiting, but Josh had his foot stepped on by Dawkins and the play failed. Josh wouldn’t have had to wait if his intention was to go for the crosser. And who knows, if he hit Diggs maybe the Bills score a TD with little time remaining and the Chiefs don’t win back to back SBs.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

I'll always disagree w/ the bolded.

 

That play was designed for the shot to Shakir, and he was open.  It's not undisciplined or even a mistake to throw to a wide open receiver in the endzone.

 

You may not get that again on that drive.  Defenses tighten up once you get into the red zone, and having an easy opportunity for a TD is never a guarantee.  Any good or great QB goes for Shakir there.

 

 

 

Sure.   Because the lasting image of Tom Brady in big games isn't taking what the defense gives him in crunch time.   It's not setting up game winning field goals or red zone TD's....... it's those deep TD passes to prevent defense's from tightening up on him in the red zone. 

 

How have Mahomes last two SB wins ended?   With a PI call and a short TD pass........both in deep in opponents territory.   Not with hoping to complete the longest air yards pass of the season to a particular receiver(as would have been the case with Shakir).  

 

You can disagree with it all you want but the play wasn't there to be had.    The coverage was good and the pressure from Jones should have told Allen to take the first down.   But he threw it anyway.

 

I love having Josh Allen as my QB.  And if he just provides tons of fun moments over the next 8-10 years that's fine with me.   I'm not a finish-line fan trying to get one SB win before I die.   This is entertainment.  Jim Kelly had greater flaws and I loved having him as QB too.   But if the question is if Josh Allen is doing everything he can to secure a SB win..........I know that answer has been no.  

[CincyBillsFan]

16 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Allen is a great qb and #2 currently. What he does in the offseason is his business. But that drive to be the best that existed in Brady and is what’s driving Mahomes right now is clearly not in Allen. That’s ok because not everyone has that and it’s not a requirement to win a championship. 

Are you basing this on Allen doing a lot more commercials then Mahomes in the off season?

 

 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, Chaos said:

How is it possible to disagree with “my understanding “. Separately double check your sarcasm detection system 

 

Ha I knew you were being arcastic I was just making clear that I both agree with neither "no other coach could make the playoffs" and "any other coach would make a superbowl."

 

Neither are true.

[BADOLBILZ]

13 minutes ago, Brand J said:

When Kurt Warner dissected the play, he said based on the look the defense was giving he would’ve came off the Shakir read and looked for the crosser. He thought Shakir wouldn’t have came open given how the safeties were playing. Obviously Shakir did pop open after waiting, but Josh had his foot stepped on by Dawkins and the play failed. Josh wouldn’t have had to wait if his intention was to go for the crosser. And who knows, if he hit Diggs maybe the Bills score a TD with little time remaining and the Chiefs don’t win back to back SBs.

 

Yeah there is this idea out there that the throw to Shakir was the first read so it was right to just hurl that no-chance worm burner into the end zone.   Whether Brady is to blame for dangling that nonsensical HR shot there or not doesn't take away from the reality that the throw wasn't open and the pressure prevented Allen from stepping into a throw.   That's when an elite QB has to be able to take the easy win.   

[CincyBillsFan]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I also have the impression that Josh may have changed who he works with, as he talked (post season this year) about making sure he spent time with the "appropriate people" working on his throwing mechanics because with the shoulder injury, he reverted and struggled a bit during the season.  So you may well be correct that Josh "dialed back" his relationship with Palmer, but it doesn't follow he's not working with someone.

 

I dispute that right here and now.  He doesn't start lifting weights and throwing 4x/week as early as he did his first few seasons (and there may be medical advice that plays into that) but it doesn't mean he doesn't work hard when he works.  And he seems to be into flexibility training - "stretch and strengthen" is a different approach, which I understand Tom Brady promoted.

 

The injury reasons you cite are not only great points but I would go as far as saying that the Bills medical staff have set conditions for what Allen should and should not do after the season ends.  We know he had injuries the last 2 seasons to his elbow and/or shoulder and it stands to reason that there were restrictions to how much throwing he should do from February through April. I would be shocked if the Bills medical people hadn't put restrictions on Allen throwing the football during these 3 months.

 

 

 

[Success]

17 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Sure.   Because the lasting image of Tom Brady in big games isn't taking what the defense gives him in crunch time.   It's not setting up game winning field goals or red zone TD's....... it's those deep TD passes to prevent defense's from tightening up on him in the red zone. 

 

How have Mahomes last two SB wins ended?   With a PI call and a short TD pass........both in deep in opponents territory.   Not with hoping to complete the longest air yards pass of the season to a particular receiver(as would have been the case with Shakir).  

 

You can disagree with it all you want but the play wasn't there to be had.    The coverage was good and the pressure from Jones should have told Allen to take the first down.   But he threw it anyway.

 

I love having Josh Allen as my QB.  And if he just provides tons of fun moments over the next 8-10 years that's fine with me.   I'm not a finish-line fan trying to get one SB win before I die.   This is entertainment.  Jim Kelly had greater flaws and I loved having him as QB too.   But if the question is if Josh Allen is doing everything he can to secure a SB win..........I know that answer has been no.  

 

The coverage wasn't good. Shakir was wide open.

 

And it was 2nd down.  I have no doubt that if he went for Diggs & the pass was dropped, everyone would have been criticizing him for not getting the easy TD when he was looking right there.

 

[Lieutenant Aldo Raine]

9 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The injury reasons you cite are not only great points but I would go as far as saying that the Bills medical staff have set conditions for what Allen should and should not do after the season ends.  We know he had injuries the last 2 seasons to his elbow and/or shoulder and it stands to reason that there were restrictions to how much throwing he should do from February through April. I would be shocked if the Bills medical people hadn't put restrictions on Allen throwing the football during these 3 months.

 

 

 

 

Regardless, Allen, at minimum, must up his social media game and create a daily YouTube channel called "a day in the life with Josh Allen" so all these skeptical Bills fans, who have nothing better to do, can watch his every move and critique the way he butters his toast or puts his toiler paper forward pull or reverse pull on his roller!!!

Edited March 21 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine

[Ga boy]

3 hours ago, Bob Jones said:

You seem to be implying that JA never makes a bad throw, or never makes a bad decision on where to go with his throws, which is nonsense. He certainly has *some room* for improvements.

Agree.  Better WRs would help him improve too.

[muppy]

fans expect perfection. Unrealized hopes and expectations must have  a scapegoat. Let's pick our BEST player and drag him. @-@

 

Blame Josh Allen for not  working hard enough.  As if anyone here knows or sees what he does do off-season beyond what is shown on social media feeds.

 

You show me a perfect athlete and I'll show you a NFL cyborg. They don't exist.

 

 

Edited March 21 by muppy

[Buffalo_Stampede]

3 minutes ago, muppy said:

fans expect perfection. Unrealized hopes and expectations must have  a scapegoat. Let's pick our BEST player and drag him. @-@

 

Blame Josh Allen for not  working hard enough.  As if anyone here knows or sees what he does do off-season beyond what is shown on social media feeds.

 

You show me a perfect athlete and I'll show you a NFL cyborg. They don't exist.

 

 

I should’ve posted it in the original post. Allen said he’s changed the last couple offseasons to doing mostly nothing and getting into shape when he comes back. His own words. He believes this new process works well for him. 

[muppy]

3 hours ago, Low Positive said:

We all want something so badly, and to get it we depend on other people's work ethic and decisions. It's that frustration that drives threads like these.

100%

[Coldfronts]

16 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They just won the Super Bowl last month.

 

 

This is all photo op staged BS.  Their shirts are in perfect just out of the wash condition with no sweat or sweat rings.  Not even a drop of sweat on their faces. Glam shots.

 

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

I'll always disagree w/ the bolded.

 

That play was designed for the shot to Shakir, and he was open.  It's not undisciplined or even a mistake to throw to a wide open receiver in the endzone.

 

You may not get that again on that drive.  Defenses tighten up once you get into the red zone, and having an easy opportunity for a TD is never a guarantee.  Any good or great QB goes for Shakir there.

 

 

I think Kurt Warner did a dissection of that play where he would disagree with you there.  He's just in the HOF so I guess, what does he know?

 

I don't think it's a clear cut "undisciplined mistake that got him beat", either, though.  I think the decision is more nuanced.  And Josh's response to questions indicated that he saw his failure on the play as not getting "good pocket movement" in the pocket he had, to be able to set up and throw accurately to Shakir for a TD.

 

Kurt Warner has on multiple occasions acknowledged that Josh Allen can physically do things he couldn't do, so the decision making is different.  Warner (and Brady, TBH) made his bag and earned his gold jacket by being able to read defenses instantly and choose the throw with the greatest chance of success (this isn't the same as taking the throw with the highest completion percentage, which might not have the highest success percentage of getting the first down).  

 

Josh Allen can create a throw with a higher success probability by going "off schedule" and extending a play.  It's a blessing.  And he's steeped in that killer instinct: "Brett Favre said Touchdowns First, Coach!".

 

But it's also a curse.  Sometimes it's a better decision to take that crosser to Diggs for the first, move the chains, keep the ball, and gain more chances to score.  And Warner has openly said that he doesn't know how you coach or channel someone like Josh, who has those capabilities to create and extend that very few other QB have, into seeing the field differently and making different decisions.

 

The reason I can't get all "fluffed up" about whether Josh Allen is hitting the weight room and throwing with his receivers on March 4th and March 20th or April 1st or whenever, is because that's not where I see him as needing to take the biggest steps.  McDermott has said it: where Josh needs to improve, is in Decision Making.  And not just decision making in shorts and a red t-shirt, whether on a practice field or watching film: decision making in the heat of it on the field with 315 lb behemoths looking to flatten him like a buuuuug and his adrenaline kicked up 100x.  I don't know how you simulate that in practice.

 

I'm not sure that Jordan Palmer is the right guy to help Allen here.  It's not like his other notable QB pupils, like Sam Darnold, are lighting the world on fire with their brilliant field vision and decision making.  I do think Brian Daboll had the right combination of "carrots and sticks" to get into Allen's head and motivate him to watch film and push his decision making.  I think whatever approach Dorsey was trying as OC, which may have involved treating Allen like the tablet in his Miami Meltdown, kind of backfired.  But what approach Allen is taking in the off season, that's where he needs to go.

 

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I should’ve posted it in the original post. Allen said he’s changed the last couple offseasons to doing mostly nothing and getting into shape when he comes back. His own words. He believes this new process works well for him. 

 

He didn't say "training camp" though.  OTAs start mid to late April.

Edited March 21 by Beck Water

[Brand J]

7 minutes ago, muppy said:

fans expect perfection. Unrealized hopes and expectations must have  a scapegoat. Let's pick our BEST player and drag him. @-@

 

Blame Josh Allen for not  working hard enough.  As if anyone here knows or sees what he does do off-season beyond what is shown on social media feeds.

 

You show me a perfect athlete and I'll show you a NFL cyborg. They don't exist.

 

 

Tom Brady wasn't the most gifted athlete, but he’s probably the closest to perfection at the QB position the NFL has had. From his diet, to his training regiment, to his obsessive studying of film… even he made mistakes.
 

Mahomes has physical abilities that Brady never had, but isn’t as obsessed with his diet. Given that his average time to release the ball hovers closer to 3 seconds, he’s probably more like Josh when it comes to film study than Brady who almost always knew where he was going with the ball.
 

No athlete is perfect, or will ever be, but the question is “what is he doing during the offseason to chase perfection?” None of us here can definitively answer how Josh spends his time, but he’s told us his preferred approach. And it’s not an obsessive one, nor does it have to be for the Bills to beat KC in the playoffs and win a championship. They’ve gotta get better around him. 

[Ga boy]

40 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Sure.   Because the lasting image of Tom Brady in big games isn't taking what the defense gives him in crunch time.   It's not setting up game winning field goals or red zone TD's....... it's those deep TD passes to prevent defense's from tightening up on him in the red zone. 

 

How have Mahomes last two SB wins ended?   With a PI call and a short TD pass........both in deep in opponents territory.   Not with hoping to complete the longest air yards pass of the season to a particular receiver(as would have been the case with Shakir).  

 

You can disagree with it all you want but the play wasn't there to be had.    The coverage was good and the pressure from Jones should have told Allen to take the first down.   But he threw it anyway.

 

I love having Josh Allen as my QB.  And if he just provides tons of fun moments over the next 8-10 years that's fine with me.   I'm not a finish-line fan trying to get one SB win before I die.   This is entertainment.  Jim Kelly had greater flaws and I loved having him as QB too.   But if the question is if Josh Allen is doing everything he can to secure a SB win..........I know that answer has been no.  

Good points Bdb.  Who’s more like the Goat with prep, study, dedication, execution and situational decision making — Mahomey or JA17? 

[Prospector]

16 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I mean, none of us knows exactly how hard Josh works in the off season, right?

 

Anyone here his neighbor on Dana Point?  Walk Jordan Palmer's dog?  Stake out the parking lot outside Chris Hess' business?  Got motion activated cameras on all the HS and college fields within reasonable driving distance?  

 

Don't forget to put some kind of high tech bit logger on his internet so you can tell if he's breaking down football film, or gaming.

 

So let me get this straight - you want to start with a topic where no one here knows ***** about how Josh works now vs. how he used to work.

 

Then you want to have us all wildly speculate, and call it a conversation?   That's it?  That's what's going on here?

 

 

 

 

Yes, but only if you talk about it with authority... you must be adamant in your convictions! 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Watch the bussin with the boys interview. It’s all right there. Starts about 1:06:45 in. He’s asked about how he prepares in the offseason. It goes on for a while as they talk other things in between.

 

 

For those too lazy, Josh talks about how he used to train like he was in OTAs year round. He said that given how he plays the QB position, he’s found given his body time to rest before actual OTAs start has worked for him. In his opinion, going into year 6, he believes the rest actually helps his body stay healthier. He still would work out and throw enough to maintain, and would keep his weight between 238-244. 
 

He said his strength coaches won’t be happy, but the last 2 years he did minimal prior to OTAs, and actually did better in the conditioning tests than when he was younger. 

Edited March 21 by TheyCallMeAndy

[H2o]

40 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah there is this idea out there that the throw to Shakir was the first read so it was right to just hurl that no-chance worm burner into the end zone.   Whether Brady is to blame for dangling that nonsensical HR shot there or not doesn't take away from the reality that the throw wasn't open and the pressure prevented Allen from stepping into a throw.   That's when an elite QB has to be able to take the easy win.   

The one safety had his back to where Allen was throwing the ball and Shakir was walking into a wide open space crossing his face. The throw was open, wide open. If he has another half second to throw the ball, the score is 31-27 with under 2 minutes to play. 

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, muppy said:

fans expect perfection. Unrealized hopes and expectations must have  a scapegoat. Let's pick our BEST player and drag him. @-@

 

Blame Josh Allen for not  working hard enough.  As if anyone here knows or sees what he does do off-season beyond what is shown on social media feeds.

 

You show me a perfect athlete and I'll show you a NFL cyborg. They don't exist.

 

 

 

Brady was pretty close to that.  I remember thinking that watching him at times.  A lot of these guys at the top are super-competitive, but Brady was obsessed.  There was a chip on his shoulder from being picked in the 6th round that stayed there no matter how many rings he got.

 

I don't see Mahomes or any other athlete that way.  There have been a lot of comments that Mahomes works harder, processes better, and is just generally better than Allen, but I don't see any significant gap between the 2.  Mahomes has better coaching, and has achieved more as a result.

 

[stevestojan]

If he worked on not playing soft zone defense while up by one score in the 4th quarter, he’d have one, and maybe two, rings. 
 

Watch the guy. WTF else could he work on? If McD and the defense didn’t reward him with steamy hot ***** sandwiches in the most crucial of times, there’s zero discussion of this. Instead it’s “oh cool to see the GOAT is also good at golf.” 
 

 

[H2o]

The throw to Diggs on the other hand was just 2-3 yards beyond the LOS. And Bolton was already crashing down because he saw him. Diggs either falls on his own around the 20 or Bolton lights him up around the 20. 

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1 minute ago, H2o said:

The throw to Diggs on the other hand was just 2-3 yards beyond the LOS. And Bolton was already crashing down because he saw him. Diggs either falls on his own around the 20 or Bolton lights him up around the 20. 

 

The microscopic dissection of that play has gone to absurd levels.

 

I had to tune out the national pundits after this game.  Throwing a 25 yard pass to a wide open guy in the endzone on 2nd down is not "hero ball."

 

[joemac1114]

17 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

No, all he does is have sex with Hollywood elite actresses, I thought everyone knew this…, 

That can be a pretty good aerobic  workout. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, joemac1114 said:

That can be a pretty good aerobic  workout. 

She’s in pretty good shape too. Definitely gets the old ticker ticking.

[BADOLBILZ]

3 minutes ago, H2o said:

The one safety had his back to where Allen was throwing the ball and Shakir was walking into a wide open space crossing his face. The throw was open, wide open. If he has another half second to throw the ball, the score is 31-27 with under 2 minutes to play. 

 

 

 

 

 

Cool picture........where's the ball?    

 

You see the ball needed to be hitting him about a step later.   Like a bang nine.   On the numbers or shoulder, dead in the middle of the end zone so he has time to decelerate and get his feet down.   That's not a back of the end zone route.    By the time Allen got the ball there the play was dead.    At this point in his career Allen needs that clock in his head to tell him when to move on.

[BADOLBILZ]

11 minutes ago, H2o said:

The throw to Diggs on the other hand was just 2-3 yards beyond the LOS. And Bolton was already crashing down because he saw him. Diggs either falls on his own around the 20 or Bolton lights him up around the 20. 

 

 

So Shakir 2 yards away and having to slow down is open while Diggs being pursued from 5 yards away is.........covered?     

 

What's the argument?   That *maybe* it's still 3rd and 3 instead of 1st and 10?   They had literally stayed in the game by playing that style of football all day.  

 

And as for the ASININE argument that Diggs might've dropped the ball.........Shakir might have dropped the ball then too.   Like I said, it was the longest air yards attempt to him all season and when he had the dropsies in 2022 it was on longer throws.

 

The level of excuse making for the Bills decision makers in that situation is just comical.   

 

 

[H2o]

33 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Cool picture........where's the ball?    

 

You see the ball needed to be hitting him about a step later.   Like a bang nine.   On the numbers or shoulder, dead in the middle of the end zone so he has time to decelerate and get his feet down.   That's not a back of the end zone route.    By the time Allen got the ball there the play was dead.    At this point in his career Allen needs that clock in his head to tell him when to move on.

Isn't it a cool picture? The ball hit the ground because he had to rush the throw due to the pressure, like I said before, and getting his plant leg clipped by Dawkins. Like Another half second and the score is 31-27 Bills with under 2 minutes to go because Allen rips a strike to a wide open Shakir in the end zone, also like I said before.