GunnerBill Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Trade a 2nd and a 6th plus a 2025 2nd for Houston's 1st and 7th. That is to give them ammunition to get up again for a QB surely? 2 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I suspect you are correct, it is entertaining to watch teams jockey for position throughout free agency and the draft, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 A few weeks back I thought we could trade Diggs to HOU for 23. Clearly, their pick was available. I’d have gladly given up 60, a 4th and 2nd next year for that pick. Great move Vikings 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Ammo to pick up Peterman from the Saints. It’ll be costly. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Pretty much the same ammunition the Bills had when they went up to 7 to get JA. I'm sure Vikes are doing the same 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 two early second round picks are better than one late first when you factor in talent vs salary cap 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 That seems like bad value for Houston, no? What do the charts say? Go from 23 to 42 for basically just a second round pick next year 1 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Trade a 2nd and a 6th plus a 2025 2nd for Houston's 1st and 7th. That is to give them ammunition to get up again for a QB surely? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Ian Rapoport on X: "A Draft Trade!! The #Vikings and #Texans have agreed to terms on a major deal in advance of the draft, per me and @TomPelissero, landing Minnesota another 1. — Minnesota gets No. 23 and No. 232. — Houston gets No. 42, 188 and a 2025 2nd rounder. MIN moves up, HOU collects. https://t.co/ehRFqOKbFz" / X (twitter.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 They start their move to a QB. In Context March 12th 2018 Buffalo Bills Trade 21 and Cordy Glen to Cincy for No 12. That 12 combined with a couple 2ns turned into 7, which well turned into the Alien. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, MAJBobby said: They start their move to a QB. In Context March 12th 2018 Buffalo Bills Trade 21 and Cordy Glen to Cincy for No 12. That 12 combined with a couple 2ns turned into 7, which well turned into the Alien. I wanted to post this as soon as I saw the title. Brandon Beane QB drafting school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) Is NE really gonna go with Bailey Zappe? Or Brissett?would have thought they would take a guy but they are the most likely out of the top 3. Getting ahead of the Giants at 6 maybe. You wouldn’t make this move unless you already had a trade partner or an idea of one and this can’t possibly be for JJ McCarthy but crazier ***** had happened in the draft when it comes to selecting QBs Edited March 15 by gonzo1105 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2Moulds Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 16 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Trade a 2nd and a 6th plus a 2025 2nd for Houston's 1st and 7th. That is to give them ammunition to get up again for a QB surely? Definitely screams QB, but seems like at least one more move is needed, to assure they have a shot at one of the top guys. The question to me is, are any of the teams at the top, willing to pass on a QB and move down? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, Allen2Moulds said: Definitely screams QB, but seems like at least one more move is needed, to assure they have a shot at one of the top guys. The question to me is, are any of the teams at the top, willing to pass on a QB and move down? I'm shocked - Sam Darnold is not going to reincarnate himself as Baker Mayfield and lead the Vikings to glory ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Guessing the Vikings are looking to extend a particular WR who might be concerned about QB play there. This might be creating some urgency for Kwesi and the Vikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I mean what do they do? It’s likely QB’s first 3 picks, right? Williams, Maye, Daniels…? Washington isn’t trading out of the top 3 and after the Mac Jones trade, can’t see them doing it either. So do they trade to the #1 spot? 11, 23, 2025 first? Or do they need to give up more? Maybe they just stand pat and see if any of them fall past those teams then jump into 4 or 5 with AZ or NYG. Imagine AZ trade out… Man they would be absolutely stacked in this draft. 11, 23, 27, 35, 66, 71 & 90…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, BBFL said: I mean what do they do? It’s likely QB’s first 3 picks, right? Williams, Maye, Daniels…? Washington isn’t trading out of the top 3 and after the Mac Jones trade, can’t see them doing it either. So do they trade to the #1 spot? 11, 23, 2025 first? Or do they need to give up more? Maybe they just stand pat and see if any of them fall past those teams then jump into 4 or 5 with AZ or NYG. Imagine AZ trade out… Man they would be absolutely stacked in this draft. 11, 23, 27, 35, 66, 71 & 90…. QB's probably are the first 3 picks but I wouldn't be surprised if MHJ goes in the top 3 either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, BBFL said: I mean what do they do? It’s likely QB’s first 3 picks, right? Williams, Maye, Daniels…? Washington isn’t trading out of the top 3 and after the Mac Jones trade, can’t see them doing it either. So do they trade to the #1 spot? 11, 23, 2025 first? Or do they need to give up more? Maybe they just stand pat and see if any of them fall past those teams then jump into 4 or 5 with AZ or NYG. Imagine AZ trade out… Man they would be absolutely stacked in this draft. 11, 23, 27, 35, 66, 71 & 90…. I think NE is passing on a QB which is dumb but maybe it’s to get McCarthy ahead of the Giants but either way it’s a dumb decision one way or the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Process said: That seems like bad value for Houston, no? What do the charts say? Go from 23 to 42 for basically just a second round pick next year I come up with Texans giving up 780 and gets back about 680 points assuming using the "rule" that you downgrade a pick in following year by one round level and I assumed Viking finish next year around middle of draft. If you don't downgrade a round, then Vikes gave up almost 900 points, so putting it in the middle of those two scenarios says it's about even?? So adding to that, they could now trade their 11th and 23rd to move up to #4. Looks like they don't have a 3rd rounder so can't get much higher unless they make another trade to get a pick(s) Edited March 15 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) JJ McCarthy seems logical here for the inevitable trade up Edited March 15 by DJB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 minutes ago, Gregg said: QB's probably are the first 3 picks but I wouldn't be surprised if MHJ goes in the top 3 either. I think that ship has sailed. Washington and NE traded away their QB’s. And, IMO, there’s no chance the Bears don’t take Caleb. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Letting a QB of Cousins' caliber walk just to spend a ton of draft capital on a guy like JJ McCarthy is a really bad move. This will be the beginning of the end for Kevin O'Connell. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Am I the only one who initially thought the Vikings had traded with us for Hyde? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Trade a 2nd and a 6th plus a 2025 2nd for Houston's 1st and 7th. That is to give them ammunition to get up again for a QB surely? Oh, I thought Micah Hyde found a new home.... 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 3 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: I think NE is passing on a QB which is dumb but maybe it’s to get McCarthy ahead of the Giants but either way it’s a dumb decision one way or the other Would be stupid to. Like you said in your first post, they can’t be thoroughly impressed going into the year with Brissett and Zappe… You might be right that they are the most likely to trade out of it but who knows… 4 minutes ago, DJB said: JJ McCarthy seems logical here for the inevitable trade up Do you think he is gone top 10 then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 vikings should trade for Fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, boyst said: vikings should trade for Fields. #23 & Fields for pick #9? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, FireChans said: I think that ship has sailed. Washington and NE traded away their QB’s. And, IMO, there’s no chance the Bears don’t take Caleb. I agree that QB's probably go top 3, but the draft board doesn't always go the way the "experts" think it will. We see players fall in the draft all the time. I am hoping one of the top WR's fall so Beane can possibly trade up to get him if the opportunity is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 minute ago, boyst said: vikings should trade for Fields. Probably should, but I imagine Chicago's already inflated price tag would only increase in-division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Probably should, but I imagine Chicago's already inflated price tag would only increase in-division. chicago has no business trading him. draft your qb. do the cousins/rgiii routine. having 2 birds in the hand isn't a bad thing unless you can win immediately and use the one bird to just get better. bears aren't winning the north for at least 2 years. why not keep both and see what happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: Probably should, but I imagine Chicago's already inflated price tag would only increase in-division. I’m sneaky starting to think they are gonna keep Fields, let him flame out the first two games, and then it’s Caleb’s team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, BBFL said: #23 & Fields for pick #9? 🤔 fields still has potential. i'd go so far as give next years 1st and conditional picks if i an Minnesota. even as far as a 2026 1st round conditional 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 5 minutes ago, BBFL said: Would be stupid to. Like you said in your first post, they can’t be thoroughly impressed going into the year with Brissett and Zappe… You might be right that they are the most likely to trade out of it but who knows… Do you think he is gone top 10 then? I was doing my mock and didn’t but I did seriously think about putting McCarthy at 3. Don’t think he was getting out of the top 15 and now he might not get out of the top 10 after seeing this 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 minutes ago, boyst said: chicago has no business trading him. draft your qb. do the cousins/rgiii routine. having 2 birds in the hand isn't a bad thing unless you can win immediately and use the one bird to just get better. bears aren't winning the north for at least 2 years. why not keep both and see what happens. One could argue that his trade value decreases by the day. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, Rubes said: One could argue that his trade value decreases by the day. The Bears should call the Jets. The Jets have the #10 pick and could probably put together a strong package with picks. Rodgers is 40 going 41 and Wilson will be cut at some point. Tyrod Taylor is OK for a backup, but he isn't a long-term solution at QB either. The Jets would be a team that might be interested in Fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) 10 minutes ago, boyst said: chicago has no business trading him. draft your qb. do the cousins/rgiii routine. having 2 birds in the hand isn't a bad thing unless you can win immediately and use the one bird to just get better. bears aren't winning the north for at least 2 years. why not keep both and see what happens. 10 minutes ago, FireChans said: I’m sneaky starting to think they are gonna keep Fields, let him flame out the first two games, and then it’s Caleb’s team. I can agree with the philosophy behind this plan, but I also know the Bears would manage to F@#% is up as only they can. Mike Tannenbaum is a dummy sometimes, but during the combine he was on TV pounding the table that the Bears needed to make whatever deal they could to move Fields as quickly as possible before the other pieces fell into place. Well, 2 weeks later and the pieces have fallen into place and the market for Fields is drying up. He was right on that one. In typical Bears fashion, they may be STUCK keeping Fields and having to spin it like yall have positioned it. (For what it's worth, I'm not high on Caleb Williams either, and if I were the Bears, I'd be seriously considering keeping Fields and taking MHJ #1. But that's why I'm not a GM) Edited March 15 by DrDawkinstein 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 7 minutes ago, Rubes said: One could argue that his trade value decreases by the day. it does but having him on your roster in case you don't get the qb you want or even worse - you do and he isn't the qb you expected - at least you have fields. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: I can agree with the philosophy behind this plan, but I also know the Bears would manage to F@#% is up as only they can. Mike Tannenbaum is a dummy sometimes, but during the combine he was on TV pounding the table that the Bears needed to make whatever deal they could to move Fields as quickly as possible before the other pieces fell into place. Well, 2 weeks later and the pieces have fallen into place and the market for Fields is drying up. He was right on that one. In typical Bears fashion, they may be STUCK keeping Fields and having to spin it like yall have positioned it. (For what it's worth, I'm not high on Caleb Williams either, and if I were the Bears, I'd be seriously considering keeping Fields and taking MHJ #1. But that's why I'm not a GM) I have done zero QB e v a l this year because I don’t care about them anymore. But you can’t pass on a QB with the #1 pick in back to back years with a question mark at QB. Even for an MHJ. If you pass on Caleb and he’s a franchise QB, you’re cooked. If you roll the dice and he flames out, at least you took the shot. I agree with you they waited too long on Fields probably but I also think his price that was talked about was a huge overestimate. I get they were talking about a second because of the Darnold deal years back, but Darnold had a lot of scouts and FO’s in love with him and was talked about as the #1 QB prospect for 2 years. Fields was never the same prospect and has proven to be exactly who they thought he was in Chicago for 3 seasons now. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bears got offered a 4th, balked, and now there’s no deal left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 JJ McCarthy entering Top 10 pick discussions is just Blaine Gabbert/Mitch Trubisky/Daniel Jones/Zach Wilson all over again. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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