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[TD716]

Bring in a NT , forget about this rotation bringing in fringe DT at crucial points in the game

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, TD716 said:

Bring in a NT , forget about this rotation bringing in fringe DT at crucial points in the game

 

That is the modern NFL. DTs don't play 80/90% of the snaps anymore. 

[TD716]

36 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is the modern NFL. DTs don't play 80/90% of the snaps anymore. 

Agreed but to put settle or ford in at critical times is a mistake just because their rotation time is up.  Need a legit run stopper on obvious rush downs early. Also , with Epenesa  in the game offensive coordinators ran to his side it seemed like most of the time

[Motorin']

40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is the modern NFL. DTs don't play 80/90% of the snaps anymore. 

 

That's why drafting a 3T to backup Oliver doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be relegated to 20-30% of snaps. If he's the 2nd best interior pass rusher he's going to lining up next to big Ed is passing situations. 

 

With that said, a true 1T to backup (hopefully) DeQuan Jones would be nice to have as well. 

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

That's why drafting a 3T to backup Oliver doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be relegated to 20-30% of snaps. If he's the 2nd best interior pass rusher he's going to lining up next to big Ed is passing situations. 

 

With that said, a true 1T to backup (hopefully) DeQuan Jones would be nice to have as well. 

 

I am not against drafting a 3T. I just don't think you can spend #28 on one in a position where our best defensive player last year plays. You can take one later.

[NewEra]

38 minutes ago, TD716 said:

Agreed but to put settle or ford in at critical times is a mistake just because their rotation time is up.  Need a legit run stopper on obvious rush downs early. Also , with Epenesa  in the game offensive coordinators ran to his side it seemed like most of the time

If a guy is tired and out of gas, you put in their backup.  That’s football.  NTs tire much faster than other positions.  

[Motorin']

45 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not against drafting a 3T. I just don't think you can spend #28 on one in a position where our best defensive player last year plays. You can take one later.

 

Makes since, if it's not a wr at 28 it has to be a premium position of need who also happens to be BPA. 

[TD716]

Top 1T or NT at 28. The top rated ones at these positions should be available where we pick.  I see the top rated safety/ center being available at 28 also. We need a #2 receiver to become a number one receiver soon but we aren’t finding one at 28. There will be a run on receiver and we will have the choice of the 7th or 8th best receiver in the draft (project)

[Chaos]

17 hours ago, The Red King said:

 

Wasn't Oliver being double-teamed b/c whatever the rest of the line was, wasn't doing jack?  Real hard to get to the QB when the O can just focus on one guy.

I am not saying Oliver isn't a decent player, he is.  But he is not a difference maker that overcomes obstacles to make plays no matter what. 

[Dr. Who]

5 hours ago, TD716 said:

Top 1T or NT at 28. The top rated ones at these positions should be available where we pick.  I see the top rated safety/ center being available at 28 also. We need a #2 receiver to become a number one receiver soon but we aren’t finding one at 28. There will be a run on receiver and we will have the choice of the 7th or 8th best receiver in the draft (project)

It's not just the top player at a particular position, but the positional value. And if it's a deep draft at WR, the 7th or 8th receiver may be the 3rd or 4th best in an ordinary draft. Regardless, WR, Edge, LT, CB are the expensive positions you spend a first rounder on, and QB, of course, if you lack a franchise QB. Look at all the quality veteran safeties available in free agency. It's not a position it makes sense to spend a first rounder on.

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I am not against drafting a 3T. I just don't think you can spend #28 on one in a position where our best defensive player last year plays. You can take one later.

0% chance they take a 3T round 1

 

A tweener 1-3T round 4-7 is more likely

 

Someone who can line up at 1T and generate pass rush with Oliver in passing situations 

[davefan66]

On 3/8/2024 at 8:31 AM, John from Riverside said:

Absolutely need a strong line we have undersized linebackers

Bernard played very well last year.  Played larger than he is.  Milano should be back and hopefully back to close to where he was.

 

Would love to have a strong dline. Remains to be seen who we sign. DaQuan Jones will be missed. 

[TD716]

16 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

It's not just the top player at a particular position, but the positional value. And if it's a deep draft at WR, the 7th or 8th receiver may be the 3rd or 4th best in an ordinary draft. Regardless, WR, Edge, LT, CB are the expensive positions you spend a first rounder on, and QB, of course, if you lack a franchise QB. Look at all the quality veteran safeties available in free agency. It's not a position it makes sense to spend a first rounder on.

It didn’t work with Elam and rosseau. Late 1st round guys at “expensive” positions. Kincaid top guy at his position late 1st worked out great. TE can be grouped in with NT,S,center

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, TD716 said:

It didn’t work with Elam and rosseau. Late 1st round guys at “expensive” positions. Kincaid top guy at his position late 1st worked out great. TE can be grouped in with NT,S,center

Kincaid is not a conventional TE. Beane called him a flex, but he's really a hybrid big slot. And worth the pick. I don't see anyone at the positions you are recommending who is likely to be of more value than the top WR left on their board. And in general, you spend the high draft picks on the positions that are expensive to fill in free agency. Beane is not going to jump a round to grab the top NT, and I doubt he's got a first round grade on Sweat, for instance. 

[TD716]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

Kincaid is not a conventional TE. Beane called him a flex, but he's really a hybrid big slot. And worth the pick. I don't see anyone at the positions you are recommending who is likely to be of more value than the top WR left on their board. And in general, you spend the high draft picks on the positions that are expensive to fill in free agency. Beane is not going to jump a round to grab the top NT, and I doubt he's got a first round grade on Sweat, for instance. 

Jackson powers low first grade best at his position center.  versatile which the bills like. Kincaid is a TE and will be paid like one. 

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, TD716 said:

Jackson powers low first grade best at his position center.  versatile which the bills like. Kincaid is a TE and will be paid like one. 

I like Jackson Powers. I doubt that happens, but it would be interesting. Doesn't change the fact that draft strategy in the first is typically driven by positional value.

 

I was one of the few who was arguing for Kincaid months before the draft, btw. You can look it up if you're particularly bored. It was a weak WR draft, and he is a playmaker. We still need more of them, especially at WR.

[Dr. Who]

4 hours ago, davefan66 said:

Bernard played very well last year.  Played larger than he is.  Milano should be back and hopefully back to close to where he was.

 

Would love to have a strong dline. Remains to be seen who we sign. DaQuan Jones will be missed. 

I think Beane may have a stealth splash move planned. Rework Dawkins and Allen, sign DJ Reader.

[Warriorspikes51]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I think Beane may have a stealth splash move planned. Rework Dawkins and Allen, sign DJ Reader.

1 more day until we can make Chris Jones an offer😎

[TheBeaneBandit]

15 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

I think Beane may have a stealth splash move planned. Rework Dawkins and Allen, sign DJ Reader.

That would be a great move. 3 or 4 years younger than Jones as well. 

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, TD716 said:

It didn’t work with Elam and rosseau. Late 1st round guys at “expensive” positions. Kincaid top guy at his position late 1st worked out great. TE can be grouped in with NT,S,center

Rousseau is pretty dam good

[NewEra]

4 hours ago, TD716 said:

It didn’t work with Elam and rosseau. Late 1st round guys at “expensive” positions. Kincaid top guy at his position late 1st worked out great. TE can be grouped in with NT,S,center

You’re clueless if you don’t think Rousseau has been worth his selection. He’s very good.  He’s not elite.  Putting him in the same sentence as Elam is downright disrespectful.

 

 

[finn]

3 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I think Beane may have a stealth splash move planned. Rework Dawkins and Allen, sign DJ Reader.

I can see him trading up ten spots for the WR he wants. Not more, but only because he doesn't have the capital. 

[Punching Bag]

He seemed to under perform for Jaguars which is why he was released after getting a big contract,  Not shown he can be a consistent performer,  

Never like it when highlights for a player on NFL.com is when they are before he gets a big contract,

[TD716]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

Rousseau is pretty dam good

I do like his play. Good rotational guy. Doesn’t dominate consistently and is not on an all pro or even pro bowl track. You need that from your first rounders. Good rotational guys can be had later in the draft. 

[TD716]

3 hours ago, NewEra said:

You’re clueless if you don’t think Rousseau has been worth his selection. He’s very good.  He’s not elite.  Putting him in the same sentence as Elam is downright disrespectful.

 

 

First rounders need to be on at least a pro bowl track after their second year.

[GreggTX]

Run Stuffing DT's are still relevant. If we're behind and the opponent is trying to run out the clock, they are very relevant.

[NewEra]

6 hours ago, TD716 said:

First rounders need to be on at least a pro bowl track after their second year.

lol-  whatever you say.

 

 

making the pro bowl as a DE is one of the most difficult things to do in the nfl.  He’s a very good player. Period

[OldTimer1960]

7 hours ago, TD716 said:

First rounders need to be on at least a pro bowl track after their second year.

This is a very unrealistic expectation.  

[BillsFanForever19]

7 hours ago, TD716 said:

First rounders need to be on at least a pro bowl track after their second year.

 

Maybe if you're picked in the Top 10. To get an average to above average starter at DE at Pick 30 - you're doing pretty good.

[JGMcD2]

16 hours ago, Dr. Who said:

I think Beane may have a stealth splash move planned. Rework Dawkins and Allen, sign DJ Reader.

DJ Reader would be awesome... 

[TheBeaneBandit]

2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

DJ Reader would be awesome... 

Just landing him and then filling out the roster with lower level free agents would set the draft up quite nicely imo.

[Warriorspikes51]

2 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

DJ Reader would be awesome... 

 

Perhaps he is a huge reason why the Bengals DE’s have had so much production?

 

He did tear his quad late in the season though

Edited March 10 by Warriorspikes51

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Any relation to Axel Foley?

[JoeF]

2 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Any relation to Axel Foley?

Cousin of Johnny Wishbone.

[NoSaint]

14 hours ago, TD716 said:

First rounders need to be on at least a pro bowl track after their second year.

If you are taking the first safety off the board expectations are wildly different than taking the 5-6th guy at an elite position like edge(or qb if taken to the extreme) 

 

you are way over generalizing with your standard. 

[TD716]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

Maybe if you're picked in the Top 10. To get an average to above average starter at DE at Pick 30 - you're doing pretty good.

If you know your DL is rotational why do you pick a DE in the first round. First round guys need to be over 90% snap count. DB, S, TE, C, LB is where you find guys top at their position later in the first round. Rousseau is around 50-60% snap count

30 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

If you are taking the first safety off the board expectations are wildly different than taking the 5-6th guy at an elite position like edge(or qb if taken to the extreme) 

 

you are way over generalizing with your standard. 

DB, C,S, LB,DT is where we should be looking if we stay where we are in the first

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, TD716 said:

If you know your DL is rotational why do you pick a DE in the first round. First round guys need to be over 90% snap count. DB, S, TE, C, LB is where you find guys top at their position later in the first round. Rousseau is around 50-60% snap count

DB, C,S, LB,DT is where we should be looking if we stay where we are in the first

I think this is unrealistic.

[3rdand12]

On 3/8/2024 at 1:35 PM, Motorin' said:

 

That's why drafting a 3T to backup Oliver doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be relegated to 20-30% of snaps. If he's the 2nd best interior pass rusher he's going to lining up next to big Ed is passing situations. 

 

With that said, a true 1T to backup (hopefully) DeQuan Jones would be nice to have as well. 

If you going to run this "rotation" ? I want two man eaters and two guys like Ed or better even.

Thats all I ask for

 Full rush or eat 3 to 4 O line men and or ,the lead back. simple

This guy might be a good fit replacing Tim Settle ?

On 3/8/2024 at 2:13 PM, NewEra said:

If a guy is tired and out of gas, you put in their backup.  That’s football.  NTs tire much faster than other positions.  

Then he's not doing it right.

if he lines up over the center or shades the A-B , he just needs to lean forward and watch the gaps. How hard can it be ....

[nosejob]

I sure was wrong about Settle.

[HappyDays]

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