WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 50 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: No to Brady. The guy showed again yesterday, he can't make 2nd half adjustments. Get someone in here with something other than what we have been doing and get Josh some damn weapons already. Did we watch the same game? yes, they had two 3 and outs. But the offense was very much clicking going into the 2 minute warning. After that, it was Allen gunning it to Shakir for a killshot rather than taking the easy check down to Diggs. Allen rolling right and not seeing the open guys (they highlighted it in the broadcast) and then a missed FG. I can't blame Brady for that, especially after creaming the Chiefs on TOP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Mark Vader said: What do the Bills do with Tre'Davious White? Has to be let go with his cap hit. Idk how it works with injury maybe injury settlement. But you can’t keep him at that number with his injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: What do the Bills do with Tre'Davious White? Ask him to take a pay cut or actually cut him. We need a youth movement on defense, not much unlike the chiefs did. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Not at the table Karlos said: Has to be let go with his cap hit. Idk how it works with injury maybe injury settlement. But you can’t keep him at that number with his injuries. Depending on how his medicals look, I'd offer him something like a 3yr/$18M with $10M guaranteed. Might be worth bringing him back as a $6M guy who can be easily cut. Definitely not at his current $16M price tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: What do the Bills do with Tre'Davious White? Probably depends on his recovery. If he will be good to go for TC, they likely experiment with our top 3 CBs and some holes at safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Probably depends on his recovery. If he will be good to go for TC, they likely experiment with our top 3 CBs and some holes at safety. He cant come back at his current contract tho. No matter how well he recovers, he simply wont be worth anywhere near $16M. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Mark Vader said: What do the Bills do with Tre'Davious White? That's a real question that doesn't have a great answer. Now, Aaron Rodgers and his sports doctors will disagree with me but from my knowledge around the league Achillies is a long painful rehab to come back from. Rodgers at least has the excuse that he can be a statue in the pocket and sling it, Tre needs some measure of speed. Even if Tre is back and ready Week 1 (which sounds like a very generous timeline) I doubt he would ever have the same speed which means you are paying CB1 money for another Douglas or Benford (or worse play). Complicating matters is that as he took an in game injury he can't be cut outright. He would need to reach an injury settlement That means that out the $16.5 M cap hit, $10M is dead money already guaranteed. Injury settlements prorate the cost of expected missing weeks, so how much of $6.5 is worth a hole on the roster. My wild card idea (which might be crazy) would be sliding him over to safety. His skill were never elite speed, it was technique and recognition. He'd never be a thumping S, but as a center fielder? maybe. IDK. No option is great 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 The Bills didn’t have one play over 20 yards, correct? I know on TV that comparison between teams was shown a few times. That was a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Did we watch the same game? yes, they had two 3 and outs. But the offense was very much clicking going into the 2 minute warning. After that, it was Allen gunning it to Shakir for a killshot rather than taking the easy check down to Diggs. Allen rolling right and not seeing the open guys (they highlighted it in the broadcast) and then a missed FG. I can't blame Brady for that, especially after creaming the Chiefs on TOP. The defense was a skeleton crew. I'm sure the gameplan was to keep it within a score and bleed the clock on offense from the opening kickoff. When KC's defense adjusted and it became tough sledding on the ground they had to loosen it up by taking shots downfield. I have no complaints about the offensive gameplan yesterday. Improbable as it was to succeed against the Chiefs with the defense as undermanned as it was, it almost worked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Who drafted those WR's or brought them in as FA's? At some point Beane has to be held accountable. All the draft pics on the DL, outside of Oliver, anyone even remotely a guy the other teams must game plan for? No. And clear 40+ million off the cap, AND find a legit #2 WR AND hopefully draft well. I'm not quite worried about the cap to be honest. Restructure Diggs ~ 12M Extend Allen (he deserves a much higher salary anyways) or Restructure him ~ 18.8M Restructure Von ~13M You're already up to 43M Extend Dion Dawkins 4 years ~ 10M Extend or Release White ~ 6M Extend Douglas 2 years ~ 4M Bills don't have expensive FAs to re-sign. Davis will walk, Hyde will retire, Poyer will retire (earn more cap savings there). Probably DQ will be retained ($4M). The only one I have a question about is AJE, who I love as a 3rd DE behind GR and Von (who looked decent yesterday). Beane won't be much of a player in the FA market this year, but I do think there's space to add an impact player. For example Budda Baker if negotiations fall through with AZ though I'm not sure Beane would ever sink 14M into a FS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cray51 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 25 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Could you imagine the stats if he could actually make 2nd half adjustments? What adjustments were you thinking about going into the second half? I’d have to watch the game again to understand what Brady did or didn’t do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Kind of shocked Morse wants to come back. I'm fine with him for one more year. Hyde needs to retire Gabe needs to sign elsewhere and net us a comp pick- maybe 5th round? White needs a pay cut or just cut Poyer I bring back for one more year If Morse is back, then Bates needs to take a pay cut or just cut him. They should draft a center to develop in the mid rounds even if Morse returns Cut or let walk in no order: Floyd Phillips Epenesa Settle Murray Sherfield and Hardy Gilliam Matakevich Hamlin Martin Lewis Worth bringing back : Jones Dodson Neal Rapp Isabella Edwards Van Demark and Johnson Douglas should get an extension especially if they cut White. Am I missing anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 19 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: What do the Bills do with Tre'Davious White? Rehab him and play him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 7 minutes ago, appoo said: I'm not quite worried about the cap to be honest. Restructure Diggs ~ 12M Extend Allen (he deserves a much higher salary anyways) or Restructure him ~ 18.8M Restructure Von ~13M You're already up to 43M How long do you want to be pushing Diggs and Vons guaranteed money down the road via restructuring? I would like to find a way to move on after 2024 if they don’t show any improvement … not sure that will happen if they get restructured again this off season.. Edited January 22 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, transient said: The defense was a skeleton crew. I'm sure the gameplan was to keep it within a score and bleed the clock on offense from the opening kickoff. When KC's defense adjusted and it became tough sledding on the ground they had to loosen it up by taking shots downfield. I have no complaints about the offensive gameplan yesterday. Improbable as it was to succeed against the Chiefs with the defense as undermanned as it was, it almost worked. Pretty much. With the defense so damaged, and having no much difficulty stopping the Chiefs from getting chunk plays, Brady's plan (which worked up into the 3rd quarter) was to bully the Chiefs D-line and do as much TOP as possible to keep Mahomes off the field and give as much rest as possible. And when the Chiefs moved to run blitzes, Kincaid was able to work blitz beaters. Thus my consternation at suddenly deciding to go for high speed kill shot within 2 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 44 minutes ago, appoo said: I don't think you understand A) how the chiefs defended Allen, and B) the deficiencies of the Bills WR corps in this moment in time Richard Sherman was on undisputed and was talking complete nonsense because Allen had zero plays of 20+ yards. He said that Brock Purdy had a better game, which is simply a horrible take. I thought this guy was smart, but he clearly didn't realize that the KC defense is top of the league in pass D and we wanted to manage the clock and keep the D off the field. The deep shots that were dropped were brought up, but he dismissed them because they weren't caught. I tuned out after that because it was just bad analysis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmd07 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 DIggs is due 24M? What are our options? I never understood if a player has any motivation to take a pay cut. What if he says no? What are our options. I always heard NFL contracts were always a series of 1 year contracts....Id like him closer to WR average maybe 10-15M? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: How long do you want to be pushing Diggs and Vons guaranteed money down the road via restructuring? I would like to find a way to move on after 2024 if they don’t show any improvement … not sure that will happen if they get restructured again this off season.. With Diggs you're adding 12M over the next two years, and with Von about 13M over the next 3 years. Bills lose some deadcap with that, pushing Von to losing ~3M if they cut him after next season, and Diggs you won't be able to cut until 2026 without burning too much deadcap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, appoo said: Restructure Diggs ~ 12M If Beane does this, someone in the front office needs to slap him. Whether its age or something else, Diggs is slowing down. Clearly. Noticeably. Restructuring $12M from the 2024 season would make his cap hits over $30 Million the next two years. He would be uncuttable. Untradeable. Un-anythingable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Applicable Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 55 minutes ago, appoo said: I don't think you understand A) how the chiefs defended Allen, and B) the deficiencies of the Bills WR corps in this moment in time I don't care how they defended him. When you have a top QB, you don't abandon a downfield passing attack just because your opponent is attempting to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 52 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: This is good work .. thanks .. Would like to keep Floyd one more year … “Go where the money takes him”… he’s gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, billsfanmd07 said: DIggs is due 24M? What are our options? I never understood if a player has any motivation to take a pay cut. What if he says no? What are our options. I always heard NFL contracts were always a series of 1 year contracts....Id like him closer to WR average maybe 10-15M? You restructure him. Or a Post June 1 designation which spreads a 30M deadcap to the next two seasons, saving you about 12M in cap space this season, and carrying 15M in deadcap in 2025. I would much rather restructure him and see if he bounces back in a less needed role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Jordan Phillips might retire??? Thank *****. One way to stop Brandon throwing more money at him. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Einstein said: - Mitch Morse said he wants to be back with the Bills next year and expects to be. - Dawson Knox, speaking about Allen, said: "I pray I get to play the rest of my career with him and I think everyone in that room would say the same thing... he's a modern gladiator." - Dion Dawkins, speaking about Allen, said: "That performance the kid put on yesterday was insane. It was crazy... he makes it easy for all of us to play ball." - Gabe said he is testing free agency but wouldn't mind coming back to Buffalo. - Leonard Floyd said he will go where the money takes him, but would prefer to be back in Buffalo. - Jordan Phillips says he might retire. - All offensive players, included Allen, shouted support for Joe Brady. - Hyde says he needs time to decide what his next steps will be. - Rousseau gave his vote for McD as D Coordinator, mentioning that he learned a lot under McD. - Gabe and Bernard both said they were planning on playing in the AFCCG. . Thanks. Was there anything from or about Diggs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: If Beane does this, someone in the front office needs to slap him. Whether its age or something else, Diggs is slowing down. Clearly. Noticeably. Restructuring $12M from the 2024 season would make his cap hits over $30 Million the next two years. He would be uncuttable. Untradeable. Un-anythingable. They also can't eat a 27M cap hit unless they think he can revert to form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
letsgoteam Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 45 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Ha! Floyd is a mercenary tho so I don't expect anything else from him. All fair. Not like he was drafted here and has ties to the team. Agreed, atleast he is honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanmd07 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I still think one of the worst extensions was Knox....We overpaid for his Angry runs and celebrity status....I would def try and package him to TE needy team at draft time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 Just now, appoo said: They also can't eat a 27M cap hit unless they think he can revert to form Yeah they are in a bad situation. Post June 1 cut/trade would make it a $13.5M cap hit. I realllyyyyyy hope we don't restructure him. We would have to keep him through the end of his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Patrick Fitzryan said: He took the game out of the best player's hands yesterday. Inexcusable. Did you watch the last two plays before the missed FG? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, billsfanmd07 said: I still think one of the worst extensions was Knox....We overpaid for his Angry runs and celebrity status....I would def try and package him to TE needy team at draft time. I actually think he's a good trade target because he's only got like 4.5M left in signing bonus, and the rest of his guarantees are roster and workout bonuses, which I think a team would take on. But at 14M cap hit I don't think it's a priority to move him unless the Bills get good value back. Bills have an out after 24 season as well which makes it very easy to cut him 3 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yeah they are in a bad situation. Post June 1 cut/trade would make it a $13.5M cap hit. I realllyyyyyy hope we don't restructure him. We would have to keep him through the end of his deal. And add that 13,5M to 25's cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Thanks. Was there anything from or about Diggs? Diggs and Von didn't answer anything from media after the game or today. Not exactly ideal leadership, unfortunately, from two of our highest paid players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Thanks. Was there anything from or about Diggs? I think he skipped out on the media portion 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Toledo Bill said: “Go where the money takes him”… he’s gone Probably so. But not definitely so. Floyd was cut by the Rams 2 years into a 4 year, $64M contract and wound up signing a 1 year, $7M "prove it" deal with the Bills (for which the Bills will take on a nice dead cap hit next season) I'm sure he'd like someone to pony up and offer his 31 year old self a multi-year, multi-million contract. Von Miller's Albatross of a contract at age 35 illustrates why teams may be reluctant to do so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, appoo said: With Diggs you're adding 12M over the next two years, and with Von about 13M over the next 3 years. Bills lose some deadcap with that, pushing Von to losing ~3M if they cut him after next season, and Diggs you won't be able to cut until 2026 without burning too much deadcap Of course … if they cut them at the end of next year … you aren’t spreading that number out over multiple years … you really think Von is here another 3 years? Even cutting them both after 2024 with no restructure is a big number … … let’s see if Beane wants to keep adding to that Von - $ 15m dead cap Diggs - $22m dead cap Diggs is likely here to end 2025 with no further restructuring … You really want to still be paying him $20m plus in 2026? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, appoo said: And add that 13,5M to 25's cap Right. And the alternative is you make 2025 and 2026 a $30+M cap hit. Both options kinda suck haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, Einstein said: Diggs and Von didn't answer anything from media after the game or today. Not exactly ideal leadership, unfortunately, from two of our highest paid players. 4 minutes ago, Simon said: I think he skipped out on the media portion Thanks. I think that's very telling, from both of them. Meanwhile an obviously distraught Josh faces the media 2x and takes accountability, and so does Bass. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Not sure Knox should play the rest of his career with Josh Allen He’s no longer a value play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 42 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: Did we watch the same game? yes, they had two 3 and outs. But the offense was very much clicking going into the 2 minute warning. After that, it was Allen gunning it to Shakir for a killshot rather than taking the easy check down to Diggs. Allen rolling right and not seeing the open guys (they highlighted it in the broadcast) and then a missed FG. I can't blame Brady for that, especially after creaming the Chiefs on TOP. Most people would consider going to your most reliable WR while he’s open in the endzone would be a smart play. Not Bills fans though, the best play is to cut it short and hope we have an another opportunity at the endzone in upcoming plays. Why? Because our defensive minded coach has let us down so many times late in games. 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 25 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: If Morse is back, then Bates needs to take a pay cut or just cut him. They should draft a center to develop in the mid rounds even if Morse returns If they can get a 5th for Cody Ford, then Bates can be traded for more than that … he is a starter on another team on two years of cheap money I still think there is a good chance they keep Bates next year and save some money by cutting Morse … They need to find a C in the draft who will be starting come 2025 when they will be paying Brown on his second contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 This is a year where I wish tanking in the NFL was more acceptable. Have Josh be "injured" for this season. Eat the dead cap space for Diggs & Von. Trade Mitch Morse and his expiring contract, have a 1 year try out for Bates at Center, Don't make any significant FA signing other than some random QB who can help develop young WRs some. Draft WRs and a safety and some interior depth Use your top draft pick in 25 to pick up another stud WR and have some fun in Free Agency Win SB in 25 as Josh gets both comeback player of the year and MVP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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