So we're firing McD, right?

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I see your point and I see where you are coming from. I guess my question is do you think this regime will ever win a Super Bowl here? If the answer is no, I think you have to make the move now when guys like Harbaugh, Belichick, and Vrabel, even Pete Carroll are on the market. If they look to make a move next year, those guys probably aren't available. In my opinion, they will not win the whole thing with this regime.  

 

On the next point, from the perspective of a coach, player execution falls into the coach's job. To some level, so does player performance. Now no one could have done anything to make Diggs catch that ball...that's on him and that is where player performance comes in. But the lack of execution is on the coaching staff and that starts with McDermott. If they run it back, next year will not have a different result. 

 

 

 

I don't know the answer to that question.

[hondo in seattle]

Anyone looking at the IR and injury reports knew that a Chiefs victory was probable.  

 

And let's think about coaches for a moment.  Each team has a Big Four: HC, DC, OC, and STC.   But you can simplify this and look at the Duo.  A defensive HC needs a good OC.  An offensive HC needs a good DC.   

 

The Duo in KC is Reid and Spagnola.  Both are recognized savants at their craft.   Combined with Mahomes, they're the reason the Chiefs get to the AFCCG all the time.  

 

Our Duo is McD and Kid Brady (interim).  And despite our best defensive players being in the hospital ward, this game came down to a FG that should have sent this game into OT.   

 

Our Duo nearly beat KC's legendary Duo despite our bloodied and bandaged roster.  We weren't outcoached.  

 

And this loss didn't prevent a run at the SB.  Did anyone seriously believe this beat-up defense could've beaten the Ravens if we had defeated the Chiefs?   

 

 

  

[GunnerBill]

24 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If the EXACT situation happened next year, I’d assume that you’d run it back? If the Bills had injuries, a slow start and then lost in the divisional round to KC, it would be okay? If the answer is no, then why are we running it back again? When is “enough, enough?” If the answer is yes, then we are accepting that divisional round losses as okay. 

 

I can't tell you what I will think in a year's time because it isn't based on a gut feeling it is based on an honest assessment of what has happened. 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I can't tell you what I will think in a year's time because it isn't based on a gut feeling it is based on an honest assessment of what has happened. 

I get that. I guess what I don’t get is when do the results matter more than our feelings/perception? Would you agree that lots of coaches could win at least a playoff game with Josh and this roster? What is McDermott doing, in your mind that “(insert HC candidate here)” wouldn’t accomplish?
 

I think that there are dozens of guys that could win a playoff game every year with Josh Allen. I’m not worried about going backwards. I want to find the guy that can take us forward. It hasn’t been McDermott and I don’t need to see him try again.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I say 49% chance this summer, 75% next summer. 

[peterpan]

Were not firing him.  If you could somehow hire Harbaugh before firing McD then sure.  I just don’t see it happening 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

Belichick is sitting right there.

 

He LOVES 17.

 

You know he wants to stick it to Kraft.

 

He’s beaten Mahomes in the playoffs in Arrowhead.

 

I have confidence with a QB like Josh he would build a monster defense to support his QB, idk why, but I think he’s got some experience in how to win with elite QBs.

 

idc that’s he 72 if his mind is still sharp.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

31 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:

Anyone looking at the IR and injury reports knew that a Chiefs victory was probable.  

 

And let's think about coaches for a moment.  Each team has a Big Four: HC, DC, OC, and STC.   But you can simplify this and look at the Duo.  A defensive HC needs a good OC.  An offensive HC needs a good DC.   

 

The Duo in KC is Reid and Spagnola.  Both are recognized savants at their craft.   Combined with Mahomes, they're the reason the Chiefs get to the AFCCG all the time.  

 

Our Duo is McD and Kid Brady (interim).  And despite our best defensive players being in the hospital ward, this game came down to a FG that should have sent this game into OT.   

 

Our Duo nearly beat KC's legendary Duo despite our bloodied and bandaged roster.  We weren't outcoached.  

 

And this loss didn't prevent a run at the SB.  Did anyone seriously believe this beat-up defense could've beaten the Ravens if we had defeated the Chiefs?   

 

 

  

Who hires the OC for us? A big part of being a HC is recognizing and finding good coordinators and coaches. If you're saying that's an issue, whose fault is that?

 

And McD's side of the ball has failed us in these big games and moments for YEARS. We were relatively healthy in 20 and 21 and gave up 38 and 42 points in those games. Allen was outstanding in 2 out of these 3 games and we lost both. McD's side of the ball couldn't even hold a lead with 13 seconds left. 

[extrahammer]

At this point, I'll get scapegoated, but I believe we should go get Belichick. Otherwise we're going to have to keep trying to go through teams like the Chiefs and Bengals, and McD can't outsmart Andy Reid. He's not going to make up the gap of experience.  Josh deserves a coach that's going to take him to another level, and we do too. 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

3 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Belichick is sitting right there.

 

He LOVES 17.

 

You know he wants to stick it to Kraft.

 

He’s beaten Mahomes in the playoffs in Arrowhead.

 

I have confidence with a QB like Josh he would build a monster defense to support his QB, idk why, but I think he’s got some experience in how to win with elite QBs.

 

idc that’s he 72 if his mind is still sharp.

 

I don't know about Belichick because of the age....but I just wanted to comment that we don't even need a guy who can build a monster defense...just one that can even be decent in these big games and mitigate some damage. It would be a big improvement if he could even come in here and just do that. 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I get that. I guess what I don’t get is when do the results matter more than our feelings/perception? Would you agree that lots of coaches could win at least a playoff game with Josh and this roster? What is McDermott doing, in your mind that “(insert HC candidate here)” wouldn’t accomplish?
 

I think that there are dozens of guys that could win a playoff game every year with Josh Allen. I’m not worried about going backwards. I want to find the guy that can take us forward. It hasn’t been McDermott and I don’t need to see him try again.

 

Feelings don't matter. Results obviously do. But so do the reasons behind the results. 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

8 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I don't know about Belichick because of the age....but I just wanted to comment that we don't even need a guy who can build a monster defense...just one that can even be decent in these big games and mitigate some damage. It would be a big improvement if he could even come in here and just do that. 

I agree with the age sentiment, but we keep electing guys older than him to run the “free world”, this is just a game. I’d do it for 3-5 years, besides our best years as a franchise were with Marv who was pushing 70 himself in the Super Bowl years and everybody knows late 60s in the 1990s was like being in your late 80s now, or so I hear.

[HappyDays]

I know it won't happen, but I can't stop thinking about how amazing it would be to get the Twitter notification that Terry Pegula has made the difficult decision to relieve Sean McDermott of his duties. That is the one thing that would give me real hope for the future.

 

As of right now I have no hope for next year. I'll watch and enjoy Josh Allen play football like I always do but I already know deep down nothing will come of it under this regime.

[Mr. WEO]

He’s Dungy minus the Rex Grossman SB win

 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

Just now, HappyDays said:

I know it won't happen, but I can't stop thinking about how amazing it would be to get the Twitter notification that Terry Pegula has made the difficult decision to relieve Sean McDermott of his duties. That is the one thing that would give me real hope for the future.

 

As of right now I have no hope for next year. I'll watch and enjoy Josh Allen play football like I always do but I already know deep down nothing will come of it under this regime.

 

It's maddening that we're wasting the best talent we've ever had here. Maybe the best we'll ever have in our lifetimes. All for a coach that doesn't actually excel at anything. 

[Thrivefourfive]

McDermott makes excuses easy to give because he’s an excuse maker. There’s always going to be some excuse with this guy. The players will always have an out because their leader always has an excuse. 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

Maybe they could just trade McDermott? Wouldn’t be the first time a coach has been traded… I hear there is an opening in Carolina…

[HomeskillitMoorman]

35 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Feelings don't matter. Results obviously do. But so do the reasons behind the results. 

 

But how do those reasons as whole for all of these playoff disappointments line up favorably for McD? They don't at all. 

[Dick_Cheney]

25 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I know it won't happen, but I can't stop thinking about how amazing it would be to get the Twitter notification that Terry Pegula has made the difficult decision to relieve Sean McDermott of his duties. That is the one thing that would give me real hope for the future.

 

As of right now I have no hope for next year. I'll watch and enjoy Josh Allen play football like I always do but I already know deep down nothing will come of it under this regime.

It hurts, honestly. It's a very defeating feeling to feel like regardless of how impressive Josh and the rest of the team can be and how high our hopes are going to get, it's just not going to be enough. Maybe I'm not absolutely, entirely hopeless, but it really sucks feeling like the coaching all around is more of a detriment than an asset. That shouldn't be the case, ever.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

33 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

I agree with the age sentiment, but we keep electing guys older than him to run the “free world”, this is just a game. I’d do it for 3-5 years, besides our best years as a franchise were with Marv who was pushing 70 himself in the Super Bowl years and everybody knows late 60s in the 1990s was like being in your late 80s now, or so I hear.

 

I mean I don't agree with the first part either, for either guy on either side, obviously age can be a factor. 

 

I'd take him over McD for sure. But someone like a Ben Johnson makes so much sense. 

Edited January 22 by HomeskillitMoorman

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I mean I don't agree with the first part either, for either guy on either side, obviously age can be a factor. 

 

I'd take him over McD for sure. But someone like a Ben Johnson makes so much sense. 

I wouldn’t be opposed to Ben Johnson, by any means, but offense isn’t the reason this team falters regularly in the post season. 

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

But how do those reasons as whole for all of these playoff disappointments line up favorably for McD? They don't at all. 

 

That is your opinion. Barring the obvious - 13 seconds - I don't agree. 

[LABILLBACKER]

59 minutes ago, Dr.Mantis_Toboggan said:

Belichick is sitting right there.

 

He LOVES 17.

 

You know he wants to stick it to Kraft.

 

He’s beaten Mahomes in the playoffs in Arrowhead.

 

I have confidence with a QB like Josh he would build a monster defense to support his QB, idk why, but I think he’s got some experience in how to win with elite QBs.

 

idc that’s he 72 if his mind is still sharp.

I'm sick and tired of waiting around (6 years now) for Sean McDermott to build a playoff defense. Media is downgrading Josh's accomplishments because he's expected to score 30-40 points every playoff game.  And that narrative exists because McDermott's yearly defense can't do squat in the playoffs.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

That is your opinion. Barring the obvious - 13 seconds - I don't agree. 

 

What about the blown lead against the Texans? Giving up 38 and 42 points in consecutive years to KC when the D was relatively healthy? Or having so much trouble stopping Phillip Rivers and the Colts and needing Josh to be a superhero that day, or almost losing to Skylar Thompson? Or getting shredded by Cincinnati last year? 

 

McD's defense gets gutted in these big games against top teams on a consistent basis, healthy or not. Like you mentioned for 13 seconds, his in-game coaching is also a problem.

 

So in your opinion...what is it exactly that McD does bring to the table if his defense that gets a heavy amount of resources can't stop anyone when it matters most, he's not a good in-game manager, and he obviously has a hard time identifying and hiring good coordinators given the evidence of how many he's having to fire? With another ST coordinator firing likely on the way here. 

[GunnerBill]

50 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

What about the blown lead against the Texans? Giving up 38 and 42 points in consecutive years to KC when the D was relatively healthy? Or having so much trouble stopping Phillip Rivers and the Colts and needing Josh to be a superhero that day, or almost losing to Skylar Thompson? Or getting shredded by Cincinnati last year? 

 

McD's defense gets gutted in these big games against top teams on a consistent basis, healthy or not. Like you mentioned for 13 seconds, his in-game coaching is also a problem.

 

So in your opinion...what is it exactly that McD does bring to the table if his defense that gets a heavy amount of resources can't stop anyone when it matters most, he's not a good in-game manager, and he obviously has a hard time identifying and hiring good coordinators given the evidence of how many he's having to fire? With another ST coordinator firing likely on the way here. 

 

Because a lot of that wasn't on him. This is exactly my point. People reach immediately for coaching. It is the crutch of the fan. Overblame coaching. Underblame player performance. Because it is reassuring "well if we just get rid of this useless coach it will all be better..." I blame McDermott for the things that I really think are his fault. This idea that if you don't think he should be fired you must just be a McDermott homer who defends everything he does is totally wrong. 

 

Believe me if I thought Sean McDermott was the reason the Bills can't get over the hump I'd have my pitchfork out. I watch the all22 each week I don't, for the most part, see a badly coached football team. Even in  the playoffs - with that one exception. 

Edited January 22 by GunnerBill

[Scott7975]

I probably would, but it isn't going to happen.  I appreciate that he rallied to get to the 2 seed but this guy I don't think ever gets us over the hump.  The right thing to do is embrace Josh Allen and pump high end talent into the offense.  What is likely to happen is most of our resources yet again going to the defense because a lot of these guys we have now are gone.  Get ready for another season of all the best resources going to the defense.

Edited January 22 by Scott7975

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

I'm sick and tired of waiting around (6 years now) for Sean McDermott to build a playoff defense. Media is downgrading Josh's accomplishments because he's expected to score 30-40 points every playoff game.  And that narrative exists because McDermott's yearly defense can't do squat in the playoffs.  

Literally… He gave up 31 just last year to Skylar Thompson in a home playoff game, I’m surprised anybody was actually expecting a win yesterday. 
 

When I saw him insisting on putting AJ Klein into coverage, rather than just go 3 safety and make Pacheco and the ground game beat you, I knew it was over and there would be no stopping Mahomes. 

[Dr.Mantis_Toboggan]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Because a lot of that wasn't on him. This is exactly my point. People reach immediately for coaching. It is the crutch of the fan. Overblame coaching. Underblame player performance. Because it is reassuring "well if we just get rid of this useless coach it will all be better..." I blame McDermott for the things that I really think are his fault. This idea that if you don't think he should be fired you must just be a McDermott homer who defends everything he does is totally wrong. 

 

Believe me if I thought Sean McDermott was the reason the Bills can't get over the hump I'd have my pitchfork out. I watch the all22 each week I don't, for the most part, see a badly coached football team. Even in  the playoffs - with that one exception. 

It’s his McDefense that keeps getting embarrassed every single post season. How is it NOT him?

 

either A-he’s not getting his players prepared to play

or B-the game plan was proper *****

or C-he gets out coached in game and situationally

 

or McD- all of the above.

Either way, the defense that routinely falls short in big games, and every single post season, over more than half a decade, suffers from one common McDenominator… somewhere along the way come playoff time he’s doing something wrong whether it be preparation, execution or in game adjustments and decision making, he lets the team down… every single year. Josh LITERALLY playing the perfect game wasn’t enough, 13 seconds was too much time for him to do his part, it will never be enough with MiDermott at the wheel. He had his ultimate chance at redemption last night, and he blew it. 
 

Time to send him back to Carolina.

[Teddy KGB]

Gross 

Edited January 23 by Teddy KGB

[Dablitzkrieg]

Did you see the garbage, aging, and slow defense out there?  No team is going deep in the playoffs with that

Edited January 23 by Dablitzkrieg

[Best Williams Available]

Because the D can’t withstand potent offenses like the Bengals and Chiefs AND/OR the O isn’t designed to win in a shootout vs such offenses (12 personnel, rushing attack). 

[GoBills808]

Heard some stat today that in the history of the NFL there have been 3 seasons where a QB accounted for 50+TDs regular/postseason and didn't make the championship

 

Allen has 2 of them lol

[Bob Jones]

Sometimes the right answer is the most obvious answer: because it’s a team sport. No matter how good ONE guy is, ya need a lot more than that.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

6 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Did you see the garbage, aging, and slow defense out there?  No team is going deep in the playoffs with that

 

Right, and he built that

[Dablitzkrieg]

Just now, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Right, and he built that

Yes, he built the injuries

[McBean]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Heard some stat today that in the history of the NFL there have been 3 seasons where a QB accounted for 50+TDs regular/postseason and didn't make the championship

 

Allen has 2 of them lol

This right here makes me want to vomit.

 

You have to change the HC. You just have to.

[Southern_Bills]

8 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Did you see the garbage, aging, and slow defense out there?  No team is going deep in the playoffs with that

 

Offense lost this one, perhaps the defense would have given the opportunity, but the offense didn't afford them the opportunity to blow it.

[Goin Breakdown]

Because the rest of this is injured, old and rental players. 

[Freddie's Dead]

McDummy and his coaching staff are inferior to KC and Cincinnati.  When Burrow is back, we're #3.  It won't change without a new coaching staff, but clearly that ain't happening.  We're *****.

Edited January 23 by Freddie's Dead

[LarryMadman]

Just now, Dablitzkrieg said:

Yes, he built the injuries

Ahhhh yes, the old excuse wagon again.