QB School Analysis of JA week 11

[AlfaBill]

 

Edited December 1, 2023 by AlfaBill
Mod told me to

[Dr.Sack]

Worst QB in OT in NFL history. 

[AlfaBill]

22 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Worst QB in OT in NFL history. 

That’s what you got out of that?

[BBFL]

25 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Worst QB in OT in NFL history. 

He just needs better decision making. Apparently. 

[Simon]

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[Dr.Sack]

6 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

That’s what you got out of that?

I will watch it. Still pissed he threw that pick to Bradbury.  

[AlfaBill]

18 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

I will watch it. Still pissed he threw that pick to Bradbury.  

Who cares about a pick? Did he leave the field with a lead late in the game? In OT? He played great. 

[BillsFan130]

23 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

I will watch it. Still pissed he threw that pick to Bradbury.  

1 INT, no fumbles in 59 drop backs… in the rain on the road lol.

 

That’s amazing ball security considering those circumstances

[Luka]

19 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

1 INT, no fumbles in 59 drop backs… in the rain on the road lol.

 

That’s amazing ball security considering those circumstances

 

And the INT wasn't an awful play either, just a great play by the corner in the end. He completed a similar contested ball to Diggs for a touchdown. That was what I would consider a true gun slinger kind of pick. 

[Scott7975]

There are Bills fans that want to trade Allen. SMH.

[90sBills]

43 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

Who cares about a pick? Did he leave the field with a lead late in the game? In OT? He played great. 

Got the ball first in OT. TD would’ve ended the game.

[AlfaBill]

Ja17 has 210 total tds and 95 turnovers in 89 games. 
throw in another 18 tds and 5 TOs (including receiving) in the playoffs. 
 

ya he’s a machine all right, a touchdown machine. 

6 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Got the ball first in OT. TD would’ve ended the game.

What’s your point?

44 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

1 INT, no fumbles in 59 drop backs… in the rain on the road lol.

 

That’s amazing ball security considering those circumstances

But but but he threw a pick he must be a turnover machine because espn said so. 
 

some peoples kids 

[90sBills]

11 minutes ago, AlfaBill said:

What’s your point?

There’s a reason he’s 0-6 in OT.

[AlfaBill]

1 minute ago, 90sBills said:

There’s a reason he’s 0-6 in OT.

Who’s he? McD? Diggs? Morse? 

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, Dr.Sack said:

I will watch it. Still pissed he threw that pick to Bradbury.  

 

Eagles' CB Darius Slay said it best "He threw the ball 51 times, he is going to throw an INT at some point, it's just going to happen.  He was out there doing his thing, I don't get what people are complaining about the turnover for."

[JohnnyBuffalo]

Someone send this to Gabe Davis and tell him to get his Sugar Honey Ice Tea together!

 

Not sure how this guy can point out all game how Davis isn’t running tight routes or clean routes and then put the last OT throw on Josh!   Looked to me if Davis runs up the field straight he takes both guys with him and possibly run past them to where Josh put the ball.  
 

Anyway I thought Josh was amazing but I realize after watching this that that is a massive understatement!!

 

Friggin team blowing performances like this….damn.  

2 hours ago, AlfaBill said:

 

Dude thanks for posting.  Never heard of this before and enjoyed it.  Not sure I have 45 minutes to watch break down of other teams and guys but this was great!   

[Ya Digg?]

28 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Got the ball first in OT. TD would’ve ended the game.

 

8 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

There’s a reason he’s 0-6 in OT.

Yeah and he scored a TD before the end of regulation that should’ve won it too…or does that not fit your narrative here?

He gave the Bills the lead TWICE on his last 2 possessions, it’s weird that people want to pin the loss on him

[AlfaBill]

3 minutes ago, JohnnyBuffalo said:

Someone send this to Gabe Davis and tell him to get his Sugar Honey Ice Tea together!

 

Not sure how this guy can point out all game how Davis isn’t running tight routes or clean routes and then put the last OT throw on Josh!   Looked to me if Davis runs up the field straight he takes both guys with him and possibly run past them to where Josh put the ball.  
 

Anyway I thought Josh was amazing but I realize after watching this that that is a massive understatement!!

 

Friggin team blowing performances like this….damn.  

Dude thanks for posting.  Never heard of this before and enjoyed it.  Not sure I have 45 minutes to watch break down of other teams and guys but this was great!   

Ya he does a great job

 

4 minutes ago, JohnnyBuffalo said:

Someone send this to Gabe Davis and tell him to get his Sugar Honey Ice Tea together!

 

Not sure how this guy can point out all game how Davis isn’t running tight routes or clean routes and then put the last OT throw on Josh!   Looked to me if Davis runs up the field straight he takes both guys with him and possibly run past them to where Josh put the ball.  
 

Anyway I thought Josh was amazing but I realize after watching this that that is a massive understatement!!

 

Friggin team blowing performances like this….damn.  

Dude thanks for posting.  Never heard of this before and enjoyed it.  Not sure I have 45 minutes to watch break down of other teams and guys but this was great!   

Yes JT does a great job and knows his stuff being a former NFL QB. He does these every week and covers Josh a lot. 

[Dr.Sack]

He was critical of the out pass to Kincaid seemed to imply Allen had two other throws (Diggs or Shakir) to get a better shot at the first down. The sequence of route progression is key. Either way a short throw to Kincaid and of course McDermott wasn’t going for it on 4th down. 

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said:

 

Yeah and he scored a TD before the end of regulation that should’ve won it too…or does that not fit your narrative here?

He gave the Bills the lead TWICE on his last 2 possessions, it’s weird that people want to pin the loss on him

He played phenomenally. But it wasn’t enough. He could’ve did a little more to secure a win. Elite QBs score TDs in OT when they get the ball first in most cases. Allen is certainly elite. But he hasn’t shown the ability to do this. That’s all I’m saying. 

[Homey D. Clown]

10 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

There are Bills fans that want to trade Allen. SMH.

 

not intelligent ones.

[Dukestreetking]

Despite JT's (small) critiques noted above, his analysis comes down to this money quote, found a few minutes in:

 

"...this might be the best [QB] performance I've reviewed all year."

 

Not bad, 17.

 

 

[JESSEFEFFER]

13 hours ago, Luka said:

 

And the INT wasn't an awful play either, just a great play by the corner in the end. He completed a similar contested ball to Diggs for a touchdown. That was what I would consider a true gun slinger kind of pick. 

One theme was that JT hated throwing a wet ball and was amazed that Josh showed no signs of struggling with the rain.

[CincyBillsFan]

12 hours ago, 90sBills said:

There’s a reason he’s 0-6 in OT.

The reasons:

 

*  The defense playing bad in almost every one of those games.

 

*  A head coach that is overwhelmed by the pressures of OT.

 

*  Nobody else makes a play.

 

 

 

[Cray51]

11 hours ago, 90sBills said:

He played phenomenally. But it wasn’t enough. He could’ve did a little more to secure a win. Elite QBs score TDs in OT when they get the ball first in most cases. Allen is certainly elite. But he hasn’t shown the ability to do this. That’s all I’m saying. 

Do we have statistics to show elite QBs score TDs at a higher rate than average or is this a qualitative statement?

[BuffaloBill]

14 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

 

Yeah and he scored a TD before the end of regulation that should’ve won it too…or does that not fit your narrative here?

He gave the Bills the lead TWICE on his last 2 possessions, it’s weird that people want to pin the loss on him

 

 

This is a team sport and there is plenty of blame to go around.  The net is that the Bills have not this season, played up to the strength of their QB or roster.  They now sit in a position where missing the playoffs is a very real probable outcome.  

 

It’s an absolutely abysmal outcome for a season that could have been much better.

[90sBills]

7 hours ago, Cray51 said:

Do we have statistics to show elite QBs score TDs at a higher rate than average or is this a qualitative statement?

I compare Allen to only 1 other active qb and that’s Mahomes. Think Allen is better than everyone else. There’s no need to dig into statistics. Just use your eyes watching them play. Mahomes with 13sec tied us in regulation. Got the ball first in OT and scored to end the game. Allen needs to learn how to do that. 

[PolishPrince]

39 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

I compare Allen to only 1 other active qb and that’s Mahomes. Think Allen is better than everyone else. There’s no need to dig into statistics. Just use your eyes watching them play. Mahomes with 13sec tied us in regulation. Got the ball first in OT and scored to end the game. Allen needs to learn how to do that. 

13 sec IMO was more the work of Kelce who changed the route and told Mahomes he was changing it because of what he saw in the defense... pretty easy throw and catch once he was told what to do.

I am not saying Mahomes isnt the best, I am just stating in this instance

[ChrisWatson#21]

20 hours ago, AlfaBill said:

Ya he does a great job

 

Yes JT does a great job and knows his stuff being a former NFL QB. He does these every week and covers Josh a lot. 

Not as much as other QB’s though.  He doesn’t have an Allen section on his channel which implies he was not a fan of him and probably one of those who thought Allen would be a bust in the pros.  

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Interesting hearing his comments on Gabe’s sloppy route running. Another reason he very likely won’t be back next year. 

[Bob Jones]

Davis ran the route correctly in OT, and it should have been an easy walk off win. Unfortunately Josh chose wrong, which is surprising, cuz I'm guessing he saw that the CB had inside leverage there, so dunno why he threw the ball inside. Oh well, no one's perfect.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

23 hours ago, 90sBills said:

Got the ball first in OT. TD would’ve ended the game.

Yes if Davis ran the correct route

[Airseven]

On 11/30/2023 at 7:55 PM, AlfaBill said:

Who cares about a pick? Did he leave the field with a lead late in the game? In OT? He played great. 

 

I care about a pick, particularly because it was on Allen and flipped momentum late in the game.

 

And yes, Allen left the field in OT with the lead - after another bizarre miscommunication - and handed the game back to his defense. Hurts ensured the game-winning TD.

 

Overall, Allen had a great game. But there continues to be that nagging undercurrent allowing big stats and flash plays but without actual success.

[BillsFan130]

31 minutes ago, Airseven said:

 

I care about a pick, particularly because it was on Allen and flipped momentum late in the game.

 

And yes, Allen left the field in OT with the lead - after another bizarre miscommunication - and handed the game back to his defense. Hurts ensured the game-winning TD.

 

Overall, Allen had a great game. But there continues to be that nagging undercurrent allowing big stats and flash plays but without actual success.

Did it really flip momentum though?

Even if bills punted, eagles were scoring from wherever they were on the field.

 

their own 10, 25, or the bills 30. It didn’t matter 

 

Bills defence had absolutely no answer in the 2nd half/overtime and the only way for the bills to win was for Josh to be perfect. That’s a pretty unrealistic expectation to have 

Edited December 2, 2023 by BillsFan130

[Alphadawg7]

On 11/30/2023 at 6:36 PM, Dr.Sack said:

I will watch it. Still pissed he threw that pick to Bradbury.  

 

Hurts had 2 turnovers.

[CincyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Airseven said:

 

I care about a pick, particularly because it was on Allen and flipped momentum late in the game.

 

And yes, Allen left the field in OT with the lead - after another bizarre miscommunication - and handed the game back to his defense. Hurts ensured the game-winning TD.

 

Overall, Allen had a great game. But there continues to be that nagging undercurrent allowing big stats and flash plays but without actual success.

Momentum in the game was flipped when the Eagles marched down the field to score a TD in response to the Bills having gone up 24 - 14 late in the 3rd quarter. That got the Eagles crowd & D fired up. If you look back over this season and last season this has been a common refrain from the McD D - allow a team to score a TD at critical points in a game to either grab momentum, take momentum back or win the game.

 

And for the record Allen left the field TWICE with the lead at the end of the game and BOTH times the D could not hold.

 

The nagging undercurrent you throw out is the FACT that beyond Allen & Diggs the Bills don't have much in the way of clutch play makers on offense.

 

 

Edited December 2, 2023 by CincyBillsFan

[Dr.Sack]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Hurts had 2 turnovers.

But he won coz he’s got a better coach and kicker. Josh has zero room for error. Time to consider a trade. 

[Since1981]

How many different ways can we say he needs a WR2 and O coach? It seems we fixed the OC coach part. 
 

dear god people. The poor guy needs a WR2. 

[Bob Jones]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Yes if Davis ran the correct route

Did you even watch the video here? Davis DID run the right route. The guy doing analysis here, and the video, makes that clear. And even a HS QB could see that the CB had inside leverage on Davis, so Davis' best option was to go left, AWAY from the CB, which he did. JA17 made the wrong decision. Like everybody says with JA, you gotta take the bad with the good, and this was a bad.

[Scott7975]

9 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Did you even watch the video here? Davis DID run the right route. The guy doing analysis here, and the video, makes that clear. And even a HS QB could see that the CB had inside leverage on Davis, so Davis' best option was to go left, AWAY from the CB, which he did. JA17 made the wrong decision. Like everybody says with JA, you gotta take the bad with the good, and this was a bad.

 

and yet an NFL QB said Davis ran the wrong route.