Von Miller faces arrest in domestic violence case in Dallas

[JESSEFEFFER]

47 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

it's not hate. It's just realizing he's donezo.

 

Two serious leg injuries in three years. Even if he does come back, he's not going to have the speed necessary to start.

 

Both were noncontact, connective tissue injuries which makes it even worse, imo.  Contact injuries are often more of the bad luck variety when big men, moving fast and crashing into one another at bad angles applies Newtonian physics to the human body.  It's the evidence of Doug Whaley's "humans were not meant to play football."   Running full speed and quickly changing direction causing two injuries is a very bad sign for his career path where he needs to do that on every play.

 

Much respect for trying to come back from that.  Much surprise if he can.

[SoonerBillsFan]

1 hour ago, Bills!Win! said:

why all the hate for Tre this year? 

It's nothing to do with hate, it's business.  Huge contract, already coming off an ACL now a torn Achilles which is most of the time a career ender fo wr, ol, dl and cb.

 

Sorry but he will never be what he was when he got the contract.  Sentiment is for fans, the correct business decision to to reach an injury settlement and move on.

[boyst]

1 hour ago, yall said:

I think Non and McDoormat should be officially added to the TBD lexicon.

Used to be tom was auro corrected to marsha. And some other word changed to stevestojan

[Nephilim17]

Not sure if posted but I did a quick "search" (I'm not wading through 60 pages of this) and the SI article on the matter is clear, short, and persuasive. I hope Pegula feels similarly.

 

Of note:

The chilling part of this allegation is that it echoes a previous one. In 2021, Miller’s girlfriend posted on Instagram that when she was pregnant with Miller’s child, Miller texted that he was “honestly praying for a miscarriage” and “[F---ing] disappear!!!” and “I hate you!” and “you gon’ get yours! Believe that.” 

 

...At some point, an NFL player loses the benefit of the doubt with his team and the league. Miller should be there now. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/30/von-miller-domestic-violence-personal-conduct-policy

[Warriorspikes51]

2 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

Not sure if posted but I did a quick "search" (I'm not wading through 60 pages of this) and the SI article on the matter is clear, short, and persuasive. I hope Pegula feels similarly.

 

Of note:

The chilling part of this allegation is that it echoes a previous one. In 2021, Miller’s girlfriend posted on Instagram that when she was pregnant with Miller’s child, Miller texted that he was “honestly praying for a miscarriage” and “[F---ing] disappear!!!” and “I hate you!” and “you gon’ get yours! Believe that.” 

 

...At some point, an NFL player loses the benefit of the doubt with his team and the league. Miller should be there now. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/30/von-miller-domestic-violence-personal-conduct-policy

 

Man, if true that's awful and very sad.  I really liked Von. Maybe not what he seems 

[Nephilim17]

Just now, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Man, if true that's awful and very sad.  I really liked Von. Maybe not what he seems 

I did too. He had this really chill and zen vibe to him. Seems like a total facade or he's zen with football and a lunatic with personal relationships.

Now, this could be a false accusation but with a history of making social posts like what's quoted, there seems to be a lot of smoke now and a fire looks more and more likely.

[Beast]

6 minutes ago, Nephilim17 said:

Not sure if posted but I did a quick "search" (I'm not wading through 60 pages of this) and the SI article on the matter is clear, short, and persuasive. I hope Pegula feels similarly.

 

Of note:

The chilling part of this allegation is that it echoes a previous one. In 2021, Miller’s girlfriend posted on Instagram that when she was pregnant with Miller’s child, Miller texted that he was “honestly praying for a miscarriage” and “[F---ing] disappear!!!” and “I hate you!” and “you gon’ get yours! Believe that.” 

 

...At some point, an NFL player loses the benefit of the doubt with his team and the league. Miller should be there now. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/30/von-miller-domestic-violence-personal-conduct-policy

Whoa.

 

Don’t let this guy back onto stadium grounds at the very least until this is investigated further.

Edited December 4, 2023 by Beast

[NoName]

On 12/3/2023 at 2:50 PM, PromoTheRobot said:

 

 

Let's not pretend that anyone was opposed to the Bills making a big move. All I heard was championship caliber teams make bold moves. Well here you go. It ought to be a cautionary tale that not every deal works out. But it won't be.

Sure.  I wanted a big move like the next Bills fan.  I wasn't on board with a 30 something year old DE with a history of knee issues.  There is a difference between bold moves and desperate moves.

On 12/3/2023 at 10:51 AM, Augie said:

 

They took a big swing, and it didn’t work out due to injury. He had 8.5 sacks before getting hurt. If he stays healthy and we win a Super Bowl it looks a lot different. But, he did get hurt, so we will never know. 

But we didn't win a super bowl and he did get hurt.  How many people are surprised that he ended up getting hurt????  That's my point.

On 12/3/2023 at 9:46 AM, Bobby Hooks said:

Let’s not pretend that it wasn’t working at the time. We were top five in pass rush, when he got hurt, we went to mid-twenties. We all knew the risks involved. We just so happened to get the worst case scenario.  Most believed where we were, and what we needed the risk was warranted. 
 

It’s tough, but we took a swing. I’d rather have a team with that mindset than what we had for the 20 year drought. This one just happened to backfire. 
 

 

 

Just because it worked for 3/4th's of a season does not mean it made sense to hand a 30 something year old EDGE rusher with a history of knee issues a 120 plus million contract.  I'd rather us take a more calculated swing than a desperate one like this.

[Augie]

11 minutes ago, NoName said:

 

But we didn't win a super bowl and he did get hurt.  How many people are surprised that he ended up getting hurt????  That's my point.

 

 

Does @Captain Hindsight have multiple accounts? 

 

😋

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 hours ago, Beast said:

Whoa.

 

Don’t let this guy back onto stadium grounds at the very least until this is investigated further.

The Bills need to take the lead and put him on leave.

[BillsFanForever19]

6 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

It's nothing to do with hate, it's business.  Huge contract, already coming off an ACL now a torn Achilles which is most of the time a career ender fo wr, ol, dl and cb.

 

Sorry but he will never be what he was when he got the contract.  Sentiment is for fans, the correct business decision to to reach an injury settlement and move on.

 

Exactly. It's not hate. It's just a no brainier business move. We're in terrible cap shape. His contract pays him as one of the top CB's in the NFL. And that contract has an out after this season.

 

Even before the Achilles injury, it's something we'd have to consider depending on how well he performed throughout the season. Now it's just something that has to be done. We can't continue to pay him as a Top CB out of love and sympathy. That's not how the league works.

 

It's a sad situation. But simple business logic doesn't denote "hate". I loved what Tre brought to the team, who he is, and his abilities before his injury. But we have to get out from under that contract.

[Warcodered]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

Innocent until proven guilty.  He stays and he plays.  Always assume the opposite that msm reports. 

He's not playing, they're not making a decision yet, but they're not going to play him while it's all being sorted out.

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

That would be just another bone headed decision from our head coach. Sunday is the biggest game of the year, he’ll play while it gets sorted. 

It's not a coaching decision it's an ownership/organization decision, they're not going to put him out their with this hanging over head, he'll be inactive and it's a pretty obvious decision.

[Big Turk]

6 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Not sure if posted but I did a quick "search" (I'm not wading through 60 pages of this) and the SI article on the matter is clear, short, and persuasive. I hope Pegula feels similarly.

 

Of note:

The chilling part of this allegation is that it echoes a previous one. In 2021, Miller’s girlfriend posted on Instagram that when she was pregnant with Miller’s child, Miller texted that he was “honestly praying for a miscarriage” and “[F---ing] disappear!!!” and “I hate you!” and “you gon’ get yours! Believe that.” 

 

...At some point, an NFL player loses the benefit of the doubt with his team and the league. Miller should be there now. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/11/30/von-miller-domestic-violence-personal-conduct-policy

 

Honestly sounds like some situation where she is supposed to be on birth control or has told them she is but then ends up pregnant and he finds out she stopped taking it which means she likely did it to "lock him in" for child support for 18+ years and is trying to scheme him.  But, when you date low quality women because they are hot, you get low quality women games played on you...

 

Would explain his reaction in terms of feeling set up or betrayed by her for his money.

Edited December 5, 2023 by Big Turk

[EasternOHBillsFan]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

That would be just another bone headed decision from our head coach. Sunday is the biggest game of the year, he’ll play while it gets sorted. 

He's been ineffective and we're 6-6... perfect time to keep him out and have someone else do the job,

[Warcodered]

3 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

I think they learned from the Araiza situation and will wait and see. If he has any value left on the field, this is the game. 

They're not cutting him yet, they're just not trotting him out on television across the nation.

[gobills1212]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo619 said:

They are bringing him up slowly on a snap count because of his acl tear. He makes way too much to sit. 

Did you read the title of the thread you're posting in?!?!?!

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, pennstate10 said:

Headline at The Athletic this morning said Von Miller released. 
 

Misleading though. I think they meant released from polic custody. 

 

That.  Wasn't.  Funny.

[Beck Water]

6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

 

Man, if true that's awful and very sad.  I really liked Von. Maybe not what he seems 

 

I'm not thrilled with adopting the role of "DV explainer" here, but statistically, women in DV relationships are most at risk during pregnancy (perinatally)

 

Nationwide, homicide (usually due to domestic violence) is the leading cause of death in pregnant women.  Read that again: Domestic violence kills more pregnant women each year than any other cause.

[Beck Water]

8 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

He won’t be released until the NFL decides if they are going to suspend him. All reports they are dragging their feet on the Von situation. 

 

Historically, the NFL does not take action to impose suspensions or other discipline for alleged crimes until the criminal case is resolved (one way or another) and the NFL (in the case of DV) completes its own investigation.  There will be no suspension until at earliest, next fall.  You can color me much surprised if any suspension is even announced until far too late into the new league year next spring to do the Bills a bit of good with their cap situation (which, would only be about $8M for the standard suspension).

 

So I guess if you want to consider "normal course of actions" as "dragging their feet", then they're dragging their feet.

 

The Bills are not going to release Von.  Releasing Miller this season would cost the Bills something like $32M in additional cap they simply don't have on the books. 

 

The only thing that might happen this season is the league placing Miller on Commissioners Exempt list, in which case the Bills play him to sit around in sweats.

[boyst]

16 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'm not thrilled with adopting the role of "DV explainer" here, but statistically, women in DV relationships are most at risk during pregnancy (perinatally)

 

Nationwide, homicide (usually due to domestic violence) is the leading cause of death in pregnant women.  Read that again: Domestic violence kills more pregnant women each year than any other cause.

I learned this in the parenting classes I took. They said that odds are low that we would be a part of it because, ya know... We were there. But, evidently they said to be aware for all intents and purposes of life that it is a major issue. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

What’s the plan for Von this week? Is he definitely out? Is he going on some list?

[RiotAct]

Just now, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

What’s the plan for Von this week? Is he definitely out? Is he going on some list?

probably not going on the Commissioner’s Exempt List anytime soon, by the sound of things.

 

We could certainly (and I hope we do) make him Inactive for the game - we might not find out til gameday though.  

 

Guessing McD won’t be too forthcoming with his plans during media availability on Wednesday.

[Beck Water]

27 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

probably not going on the Commissioner’s Exempt List anytime soon, by the sound of things.

 

We could certainly (and I hope we do) make him Inactive for the game - we might not find out til gameday though.  

 

Guessing McD won’t be too forthcoming with his plans during media availability on Wednesday.

 

I think that last is 100% safe bet

Edited December 5, 2023 by Beck Water

[RiotAct]

38 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think that last is 100% safe bet

yeah.  And to be honest, there’s really not much reason for him to be.

 

Hopefully we make the right decision in the end.

[NoName]

9 hours ago, Augie said:

 

Does @Captain Hindsight have multiple accounts? 

 

😋

I am sure @captain short sight has only 1 account,

[CSBill]

Added to the off-field issues, Von needs to sit. His production has been nothing this season; he is not his old self physically. He has not contributed to the field and is now just a distraction off the field. Sit him for the rest of the season, then see where it goes.

[Freak-O]

He shouldn’t be playing. They could get the same on the field production from me if they just pay for the flight and give me some food. 

[billybob71]

what a colossal  waste of money and cap space

[SoonerBillsFan]

11 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Historically, the NFL does not take action to impose suspensions or other discipline for alleged crimes until the criminal case is resolved (one way or another) and the NFL (in the case of DV) completes its own investigation.  There will be no suspension until at earliest, next fall.  You can color me much surprised if any suspension is even announced until far too late into the new league year next spring to do the Bills a bit of good with their cap situation (which, would only be about $8M for the standard suspension).

 

So I guess if you want to consider "normal course of actions" as "dragging their feet", then they're dragging their feet.

 

The Bills are not going to release Von.  Releasing Miller this season would cost the Bills something like $32M in additional cap they simply don't have on the books. 

 

The only thing that might happen this season is the league placing Miller on Commissioners Exempt list, in which case the Bills play him to sit around in sweats.

They csn release him this offseason for half that hit...and they have to.  Sorry he is just done here.  Enough of the speculation BS, too much to deny he hasn't done something...again.

 

Terry has to cut this guy, to hell with the cap hit.

[HOUSE]

Lordy lordy 😳 

[Irv]

Beane needs to be fired.  

[boyst]

1 hour ago, billybob71 said:

what a colossal  waste of money and cap space

whats funny is there are:

too many people who take this as an indictment on the accusations/charges.

too many who think your is solely based on the charges and would not change if he was having an all pro year

too many people who don't think this is purely related to his play.

 

 

i'm in the same boat as you - but i had many memories from the start of him being a douche attention hoor. i never wanted him.

[TBBills Fan]

Vons gonna get 3 sacks on Sunday 

[billybob71]

1 hour ago, TBBills Fan said:

Vons gonna get 3 sacks on Sunday 

3 sacks of flour maybe so he can bake some Christmas cutouts😁 but seriously I hope your optimism proves to be true

[TBBills Fan]

Just now, billybob71 said:

3 sacks of flour maybe so he can bake some Christmas cutouts😁 but seriously I hope your optimism proves to be true

 

 

well the best thing he could do for his image to help people "forget" is to ball out

[boyst]

9 minutes ago, billybob71 said:

3 sacks of flour maybe so he can bake some Christmas cutouts😁 but seriously I hope your optimism proves to be true

i'd love it if true. i'd love for him to come out and issue a statement after this game to say what happened was not accurate but he realizes domestic assault and issues are real and he is committed to spending a large portion of his time and resources to help the issue. i'd love it if it rained when we needed it, and everyone in DC would get along with Marvel, too.

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, TBBills Fan said:

Vons gonna get 3 sacks on Sunday 

<<Insert joke about prison inmate activities here>>

[Mango]

On 12/4/2023 at 10:42 AM, LabattBlue said:

Without being suspended, they can’t stop Non from practicing, but this clown should be inactive the rest of the season. 

 

The team can suspend him and I hope they do. No need to have him in the building. 

[Mango]

5 hours ago, Freak-O said:

He shouldn’t be playing. They could get the same on the field production from me if they just pay for the flight and give me some food. 

 

He shouldn't be allowed in the building. He is going to be inactive, sure. But he should be told to just stay home at this point.