Who was behind the decision to fire Dorsey?

[MarkKelso'sHelmet]

McDermott claimed it was him and him alone. But I wonder if that's the truth. Your thoughts?

[14774]

I think it was all McClappy, trying to save his own behind.

[PBF81]

Tough to say.  He was backing Dorsey far more than he backed Peterman despite having become all but a nation-wide laughing stock back then.  

 

McD's very stubborn.  It's difficult to not strongly consider that he got a call from Pegula to get this thing under control in the media.  ... which would seem to be Pegula's top concern.  

 

At the same time, those that seem to think that McD's toast after the season, and hoping so, may be disappointed.  

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by PBF81

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Pegula signed off on it. I wonder if McDermott ever wanted Dorsey. I remember some were nervous when they didn’t immediately hire Dorsey. Fans and media were afraid they’d mess up and let Dorsey go somewhere else.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[BuffaloBillyG]

Honestly, the fans/media.

 

McDermott has been fielding questions from Tim Graham and others since the week after Miami about Dorsey and if he would lose playcalling duties. This stoked the fans fire and with the offense struggling, the drum beat grew louder. It finally came to a head yesterday.

 

And it's almost hysterical how many fans are. Almost everyone wanted to see Dorsey fired. Then when he gets fired a certain percentage turn it into "he fired him as a scape goat and to save his own arse". 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Honestly, the fans/media.

 

McDermott has been fielding questions from Tim Graham and others since the week after Miami about Dorsey and if he would lose playcalling duties. This stoked the fans fire and with the offense struggling, the drum beat grew louder. It finally came to a head yesterday.

 

And it's almost hysterical how many fans are. Almost everyone wanted to see Dorsey fired. Then when he gets fired a certain percentage turn it into "he fired him as a scape goat and to save his own arse". 

Fans would fire someone after every loss if they could. 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Fans would fire someone after every loss if they could. 

 

Agreed. Totally reactionary. This place would fire or cut someone every week. 

 

 

On the question, it is a good one. We know that the Pegulas were integral in the last OC change we made in-season when they fired Greg Roman two weeks into 2016 - after he had taken the offense from 26th to 13th in his one year in charge. They met with players and then Rex and the upshot was Roman was out. 

 

I don't rule out that Terry involved himself again but I suspect ultimately McDermott with counsel from Beane is the right answer. 

[entropyrules]

15 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Fans would fire someone after every loss if they could. 

I always like to get ahead the problem so my position is fire them before the game just in case there is a loss

[Irv]

Actually, I was.  

[Chaos]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Agreed. Totally reactionary. This place would fire or cut someone every week. 

 

 

On the question, it is a good one. We know that the Pegulas were integral in the last OC change we made in-season when they fired Greg Roman two weeks into 2016 - after he had taken the offense from 26th to 13th in his one year in charge. They met with players and then Rex and the upshot was Roman was out. 

 

I don't rule out that Terry involved himself again but I suspect ultimately McDermott with counsel from Beane is the right answer. 

McDermott has no reason to lie about this. He clearly made the decision himself. Needed an immediate distraction from the 12 men on the field coaching mistake, after two time outs were taken that could have been used to make sure things were organized for the obvious play. 

[boyst]

11 hours ago, boyst said:

 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

20 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Honestly, the fans/media.

[davefan66]

Ownership.

 

Fans are not happy, which leads to less revenue.  Tickets sales and merchandise.  Tickets are good now.  Issue could be future sales for a new stadium and the coveted PSL’s.

[The Wiz]

I actually think it stems from last year in the divisional round.  

 

Diggs storming out then and the stuff that happened at the beginning of the year makes me think the players didn't believe in the offensive game plan.

 

Josh looking lost on the sideline.

 

The players have no confidence and that's a reflection of coaching.  Then they run the same mesh play over and over again that has been resulted in probably half of Allen's INTs when all they needed to do was run the ball.

 

Also having a players only meeting for the offense doesn't show a lot of faith in what they are being told to do.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

15 minutes ago, entropyrules said:

I always like to get ahead the problem so my position is fire them before the game just in case there is a loss

Imagine how exciting it would be if fans voted off one coach or player every week?

 

[MarkKelso'sHelmet]

38 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Honestly, the fans/media.

 

McDermott has been fielding questions from Tim Graham and others since the week after Miami about Dorsey and if he would lose playcalling duties. This stoked the fans fire and with the offense struggling, the drum beat grew louder. It finally came to a head yesterday.

 

And it's almost hysterical how many fans are. Almost everyone wanted to see Dorsey fired. Then when he gets fired a certain percentage turn it into "he fired him as a scape goat and to save his own arse". 

But Marv Levy said "if you start listening to the fans soon you'll be sitting among them."

[BillMafia716ix]

Listening to Sean McDermott presser after the game. I knew Dorsey was toast. 

[jlgarsh]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Imagine how exciting it would be if fans voted off one coach or player every week?

 

Don't give them any ideas

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Imagine how exciting it would be if fans voted off one coach or player every week?

 

It worked pretty well for a long running TV reality series 😂

[PayDaBill$]

3 hours ago, 14774 said:

I think it was all McClappy, trying to save his own behind.

Not a great move by McD (to save his a$$), he let the sacrificial lamb go too early.  There’s a high likelihood we may not win a game here on out.  Who does he blame / fire @ year end… Brady?  
 

McD is done or should be, barring some miracle over the next 7.

 

 

Edited November 15, 2023 by PayDaBill$

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

It worked pretty well for a long running TV reality series 😂

Someone once said the NFL is the greatest reality TV show.

 

Voting players and coaches off would be a money maker. But they go into waivers and can be claimed by other teams. $$$

[boyst]

one of the talking heads on WGR raised a great point.

 

IF there were not 12 men on the field for the FG we would not have fired Dorsey.

 

That puts light on this that is extremely interesting.

[Low Positive]

I think it was McDermott. He was pissed that Dorsey refused to call running plays against that poor Broncos run defense. Someone said that it looked like McDermott was calling the offensive plays on the Bills TD drive at the end. If so, then Dorsey was basically fired mid-game. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

9 minutes ago, MarkKelso'sHelmet said:

But Marv Levy said "if you start listening to the fans soon you'll be sitting among them."

Marv also wrote a Buffalo "fight song". And sang it. In public. 

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

I think it was McDermott. He was pissed that Dorsey refused to call running plays against that poor Broncos run defense. Someone said that it looked like McDermott was calling the offensive plays on the Bills TD drive at the end. If so, then Dorsey was basically fired mid-game. 

McDermott "you need to run more."

Dorsey "Ok, the opening scripted plays focus on Cook."

McDermott "he fumbled, first time in a long time. i benched him for the first quarter."

Dorsey "he was to be the featured back of this game"

McDermott "[clapping]..hurr...durr...process.... complementary football...derp [more clapping].

Dorsey "...[sigh]"

McDermott "my cats breath smells like cat food."

Dorsey "we have Murray in at RB, he's not achieving solid net positive yards. are you stupid?"

McDermott "i'm a 50 year old man wearing straight brim hats."

Dorsey "Die."

 

[Bruffalo]

We don’t have to speculate. In his press conference yesterday McDermott said it was his decision and his decision alone to move on from Dorsey. 

[Matt_In_NH]

18 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

Listening to Sean McDermott presser after the game. I knew Dorsey was toast. 

Exactly, it is quite obvious this was McDermott's decision and it was not made because of that one game.  It did help deflect dealing wiht more scrutiny of 12 guys on the field.

Edited November 15, 2023 by Matt_In_NH

[Realist]

I think the players may have forced the issue. Not by coming out and saying anything directly, but attitude and actions. The obvious one is Diggs, I really think that is why he was so pissed off after the Bengals playoff game and OTA's. I don't believe he hated Dorsey.

[BillMafia716ix]

17 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

I think it was McDermott. He was pissed that Dorsey refused to call running plays against that poor Broncos run defense. Someone said that it looked like McDermott was calling the offensive plays on the Bills TD drive at the end. If so, then Dorsey was basically fired mid-game. 

That was the most running plays I ever seen the Bills run in a row in years!! Somebody else was definitely calling the plays 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

11 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:

We don’t have to speculate. In his press conference yesterday McDermott said it was his decision and his decision alone to move on from Dorsey. 

Of course. Because everything that comes out of a coach’s mouth in a presser is Gospel 

[juno999]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Honestly, the fans/media.

 

McDermott has been fielding questions from Tim Graham and others since the week after Miami about Dorsey and if he would lose playcalling duties. This stoked the fans fire and with the offense struggling, the drum beat grew louder. It finally came to a head yesterday.

 

And it's almost hysterical how many fans are. Almost everyone wanted to see Dorsey fired. Then when he gets fired a certain percentage turn it into "he fired him as a scape goat and to save his own arse". 

There's more than one issue going on with the Bills.  Firing Dorsey only solves some of it.  Special Teams looks pretty bad too.  Not just the last game either. McD fired the previous ST coordinator after 13 seconds and promoted Smiley to that position.  McD deflecting blame.

 

McD promoted Dorsey, a guy with no OC experience, and then fired him 1.5 seasons later.  Not good for McD any way you look at it.  

[kirkwoodus13]

I am sorry but he should have been fired in game. We basically ran all over them to score a touchdown. The next offensive possession three straight pass all incomplete, punt.. You saw the look Coach face. I was thinking the same thing. What’s is this dude calling. Was he even watching the game.. The bigger problem with this offense is Josh not being allowed to run. His running opens up the entire offense. I think this is a McDermott issue. What is he saving Josh for? 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

49 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Imagine how exciting it would be if fans voted off one coach or player every week?

 

Advice this board could follow as well...🤔

[WhoTom]

In last week's post-game press conference, didn't Josh say something like, "We just run the plays that are called"?

 

That's when I knew Dorsey would be gone after the next loss.

 

 

[Avisan]

58 minutes ago, boyst said:

Dorsey "we have Murray in at RB, he's not achieving solid net positive yards. are you stupid?"

Bro Murray had like 7 yards per carry

 

Your relationship with reality the last couple of days has been tenuous at best

[Bruffalo]

46 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Of course. Because everything that comes out of a coach’s mouth in a presser is Gospel 

Nobody's saying that, but what does McDermott have to gain by lying about this particular instance? 

[wppete]

If this continues this season it’s time for McDermott to be fired. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

43 minutes ago, juno999 said:

There's more than one issue going on with the Bills.  Firing Dorsey only solves some of it.  Special Teams looks pretty bad too.  Not just the last game either. McD fired the previous ST coordinator after 13 seconds and promoted Smiley to that position.  McD deflecting blame.

 

McD promoted Dorsey, a guy with no OC experience, and then fired him 1.5 seasons later.  Not good for McD any way you look at it.  

Yes, there is more than one issue. He took steps to solve one of them. Is that not something he should do? 

 

And for accuracy sake: he didn't fire the ST coach after 13 seconds. His contract was up and wasn't brought back or he decided to leave. There's a difference. And for the record, I do hope the same standard is used for Smiley and he is replaced at some point. 

 

In promoting Dorsey, in my view the mistake he made was taking too much of Josh's preference to heart. Once Allen said he wanted Dorsey there wasn't even what I would consider a real search. They met the Rooney Rule, interviewed 2 other guys that equally had no experience and pressed on with Josh's choice. 

[boyst]

5 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Bro Murray had like 7 yards per carry

 

Your relationship with reality the last couple of days has been tenuous at best

1) prior to the Broncos game - it was not. this would seem to mean that he was not as good as Cook who had over 9 ypc. murray had a solid game but his 4.8 ypc was his best (which is good) against the giants. excluding the broncos game he averaged 3.5 ypc.  Cook was at 4.7ypc.

 

2) i don't follow the latter statement because i would need examples where you have read something you disagree with and then tell me why. also, i don't know who you are... so i cannot return critique or offer any criticism of any individual thoughts you may have had. please, if you're going to try to insult me, make it worth my time and don't waste it.

 

so, yeah...BRO...do better.

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Imagine how exciting it would be if fans voted off one coach or player every week?