Truths at the Midpoint

[theRalph]

We've all been dealing with our misgivings about the Bills. Here's what some other clubs are dealing with:

 

Cincinnati: "Who Dey?" should be rephrased: "What Dat?"

 

Jacksonville: "It always was the Jags" should be rephrased: "It was never the Jags"

 

Baltimore: "Seven Nation Army" should be rephrased: "Seven Nation Smarmy"

 

Los Angeles: "Bolt Up, Not Out!" should be rephrased "Bolt Out, Not Up!"

 

The Bills are going to be fine...

 

P.S. Bills Mafia thanks you, again, Tyler Boyd!

 

Edited November 13, 2023 by theRalph

[Bob Jones]

We shall see....at this point, making a bold proclamation like this is like throwing down money on the roulette table, you just don’t know what's going to happen.

[Royale with Cheese]

I am interested to see what team we see tonight.

 

Either a turning point or more of the same.  I think tonight we will find out if we are turning the corner, getting out of the slump or we are probably going to miss the playoffs.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

The truth is the Bills are in trouble due to schedule and injuries. Another truth is that Josh Allen can get hot and beat anyone any week.

 

 

[Low Positive]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The truth is the Bills are in trouble due to schedule and injuries. Another truth is that Josh Allen can get hot and beat anyone any week.

 

 

I thought we traded him already. 

[90sBills]

Define ‘fine’

 

Fine as in they’ll make the playoffs? Absolutely!

 

Fine as in they’ll make the Superbowl? Not likely with what’s happening with the team currently. 

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Another truth is that Josh Allen can get hot and beat anyone any week.

 

 

Or get cold and loses to teams like NE. 

[uninja]

I honestly don't know what to believe anymore at this point. Usually September is a liar and that's been true, but by early/mid November you get a sense of what teams have it and which teams don't. I know which got it in the NFC but in the AFC it's a mess.

[Heavy Kevi]

I'm still holding out hope this is like the Gints '07

 

Josh is good enough to take games over by himself.

 

IF the offense gets hot late in the year anything is possible (yeah even a SB)

 

You just need to get hot at the end and get some bounces.

 

NOBODY in unbeatable

[Mikie2times]

21 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

We shall see....at this point, making a bold proclamation like this is like throwing down money on the roulette table, you just don’t know what's going to happen.

[MJS]

56 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I am interested to see what team we see tonight.

 

Either a turning point or more of the same.  I think tonight we will find out if we are turning the corner, getting out of the slump or we are probably going to miss the playoffs.  

I don't think we need to look at the deeper meaning behind every game. It's a football game. I'll be rooting for the Bills to win it. If they don't, that sucks. Every loss will make it more difficult to get into the playoffs. If they do, great. Go win another one next week.

[PBF81]

Out of curiosity, how many other head coaches have firmly indicated that they have no idea what's wrong much less how to correct what they don't know is wrong with their own teams?  

 

Asking for a friend.  

 

  

 

 

Edited November 13, 2023 by PBF81

[MJS]

49 minutes ago, 90sBills said:

Define ‘fine’

 

Fine as in they’ll make the playoffs? Absolutely!

 

Fine as in they’ll make the Superbowl? Not likely with what’s happening with the team currently. 

Or get cold and loses to teams like NE. 

It is never "likely" to make a superbowl, for any team.

[EasternOHBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

It is never "likely" to make a superbowl, for any team.

 

I dunno, the Chiefs have proven to be that team... I have seen nothing that makes me think that they won't again.

[PBF81]

40 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

Josh is good enough to take games over by himself.

 

That's a significant part of the point/problem.   

 

Josh shouldn't have to take over games by himself in order for us to win.  

 

That's been the case throughout McD's tenure.  Allen winning games to the difference of drought era teams and this.  The only thing making McD look good in the playoffs was Allen's having taken over the Chiefs' game along with Davis in '21.  Otherwise McD can't win anything but a Wild-Card game.  

 

The biggest common denominator in the now four season duration of Allen's top-level play is that it's been in the post-Brady era and our division has generally sucked.  Miami's been the only true threat and that's reliant upon Tua who's seen a tumultuous injury history not even being able to play a full season yet.  

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

I don't think we need to look at the deeper meaning behind every game. It's a football game. I'll be rooting for the Bills to win it. If they don't, that sucks. Every loss will make it more difficult to get into the playoffs. If they do, great. Go win another one next week.

 

If we struggle tonight, that will be 6 games in a row with the Giants and Pats included....not to mention the Bengals defense gives up the most explosive plays in football.  They gave up 17 to the Texans with a rookie QB.  We struggled again with 18 points.  

 

That's where I'm coming from.  We may have issues on offense with talent in some areas but still, there's enough to be at least a competent offense.  Lacking a WR2 shouldn't cripple this offense.  Something isn't working and this is becoming a trend now.  

 

We have to see something and if it's not against the Broncos, we have to start coming to the realization we aren't a good team.   We have talent but as a team, not good.  The thought of that is sickening and then we start thinking mass changes in the offseason when you disappoint at this level.  I don't want to see that so lets see what team shows up tonight.  I think this will tell us a lot since this is a prime time game and the country will be watching.  We are in the spotlight.

[Bangarang]

I feel like the thread title has nothing to do with the actual content.
 

My disappointment is immeasurable.

[Heavy Kevi]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

That's a significant part of the point/problem.   

 

Josh shouldn't have to take over games by himself in order for us to win.  

 

That's been the case throughout McD's tenure.  Allen winning games to the difference of drought era teams and this.  The only thing making McD look good in the playoffs was Allen's having taken over the Chiefs' game along with Davis in '21.  Otherwise McD can't win anything but a Wild-Card game.  

 

The biggest common denominator in the now four season duration of Allen's top-level play is that it's been in the post-Brady era and our division has generally sucked.  Miami's been the only true threat and that's reliant upon Tua who's seen a tumultuous injury history not even being able to play a full season yet.  

 

 

 

Shouldn't have to but he does

 

My point is nothing is perfect anywhere in the NFL, and this team actually is good enough (even right now) to win it all with McD. Every SB winning coach isn't awesome, sometimes you just catch lightning in a bottle.

 

And as much shade as McD gets (I'm not excluding myself, as I'm ready for a change at HC) by most meaningful metrics he's one of, if not the most successful coach in the history of this franchise. 

 

How many Giants fans were OUT on Coughlin before their SB? McD is no worse rn than Coughing was then, and Josh is significantly better than Eli

[Marcus Aurelius]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

The truth is the Bills are in trouble due to schedule and injuries. Another truth is that Josh Allen can get hot and beat anyone any week.

 

 

Nope. 

The BILLS are in deep doo-doo because of their unexplainable losses to the Jets and Pats.

[90sBills]

1 hour ago, MJS said:

It is never "likely" to make a superbowl, for any team.

That’s very true. But there are levels to this and Bills are currently towards the bottom of that spectrum.

 

I still think they can make hay. I just dropped 500 on them to make the playoffs. Great value right now! 

[PBF81]

54 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

Shouldn't have to but he does

 

My point is nothing is perfect anywhere in the NFL, and this team actually is good enough (even right now) to win it all with McD. Every SB winning coach isn't awesome, sometimes you just catch lightning in a bottle.  

 

Not the way it's being coached it isn't.  The chances of McD stringing together four games to win it all is remote.  

 

Remember, we did catch lightning in a bottle in '21, and at the climax, Allen & Davis took over the game.  McD let that lightning out of the bottle in the waning 13 seconds of the game.  

 

They call it lightning in a bottle for a reason, it's very unusual that it happens twice.  

 

 

54 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

And as much shade as McD gets (I'm not excluding myself, as I'm ready for a change at HC) by most meaningful metrics he's one of, if not the most successful coach in the history of this franchise. 

 

How many Giants fans were OUT on Coughlin before their SB? McD is no worse rn than Coughing was then, and Josh is significantly better than Eli

 

To whom much is given, much more is expected.  

 

He may be one of if not the most successful coach in franchise history, but he wouldn't be close without Allen and he's the one that's prevented it from going further.  Allen should be on his Christmas fruit basket list for the rest of his life.  

 

Allen >>> Eli Manning  

 

Right now, if we're going to compare, let's compare our record at season's end to who the QBs & coaches were during the drought years that had the same or better records.  

 

Let's see what happens tonight first.  If someone had told me at the beginning of the season that the Denver game, conceiveably our easiest back then, would be a pivotal defining game for us, I'd have thought they were nuts.  

 

 

[Big Turk]

The truth is the Bills margin for error is at it's slimmest margin since 2020.  Teams no longer even have to play their best game or have the Bills make tons of stupid mistakes/penalties/etc to be able to beat us.  Now the Bills can actually play decent enough without TO's and still just lose.  

 

 

Edited November 13, 2023 by Big Turk

[TheWeatherMan]

4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

I am interested to see what team we see tonight.

 

Either a turning point or more of the same.  I think tonight we will find out if we are turning the corner, getting out of the slump or we are probably going to miss the playoffs.  

There’s been no corner turning indicators the last 5 weeks with 3 of the being against teams jockeying for the #1 overall pick. I fully anticipate this being a close game with Wilson having his best game as a Bronco.  

[dpberr]

The Ravens will fade as they always do because that whole operation hinges on Lamar Jackson and his health.  The second half of the Browns game was likely the start of the great second half fade.  He'll get injured in Week 11 or 12, and the Ravens will once again limp into the playoffs.

 

NYG need to accept that nobody on that team wants to play for that coach.  

 

The Bengals beat predictable teams like the Bills and ol' Process.  McSnoozy is an easy win because you know what's coming.  Texans are chaos and play as if they have nothing to lose.  

[DuckyBoys]

Offense needs to just play fast and loose for 60 minutes  Defense needs to take chances and be willing to get beat on a long play vs allowing teams to slowly bleed them out  Doubt we see it  Not in McDermott's dna to not play timid in the big moments

[MJS]

5 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

I dunno, the Chiefs have proven to be that team... I have seen nothing that makes me think that they won't again.

The odds makers disagree. The Chiefs have the highest odds right now at +500, which is an applied probability of 16.7%.

 

Even the best teams have a mountain to climb to make and win a superbowl. That's why teams rarely repeat. They sometimes do, but it is rare.

[benderbender]

The truth is that Aaron Rodgers isn’t a miraculous healer, they overstated his injury. He’s not going to be the fastest recovery for an athlete ever over the age of 40 just because Ayahuasca is “a hell of a drug.” Or just because he doesn’t believe in Big Pharma that modern medicine doesn’t exist. The real question is why? 

[Goin Breakdown]

We're not the 07 Giants. That's the past, not buffalo history. 
 

as great as josh can be, he has been ehh lately, as in games at a time. opponents just wait for him to make a mistake as he has a reputation for turning the ball over

 

The defense does not have as talented and deep bench as we have been telling ourselves they do. 
 

Coaching is being questioned all the time. Warranted or not we don't know

 

players are having player only meetings. 
 

the truth is I (we all) can go on and on because the Bills are kind of a mess right now. 
 

i have hope not confidence that maybe tonight they can turn it around a little. 

[ProcessTruster]

boy this fan base is super spoiled

[Ya Digg?]

8 hours ago, Bob Jones said:

We shall see....at this point, making a bold proclamation like this is like throwing down money on the roulette table, you just don’t know what's going to happen.

Why do you have such glowing confidence in the other teams and have no confidence in the Bills? 

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, PBF81 said:

Out of curiosity, how many other head coaches have firmly indicated that they have no idea what's wrong much less how to correct what they don't know is wrong with their own teams?  

 

Asking for a friend.  

 

  

 

 

 

#Jets HC Robert Saleh freezes badly when Michael Kay asks, “You have Trevor Siemian in your building, why not give him a try?”

 

“I don’t know. You got me; I’m going to plead the fifth on all this one… They’re valid questions. I know that passionate fans all have the same questions. I respect it greatly, but I’ve gotta look at it from a global standpoint, just see where we are, look at the All-22 the best I can, and make the decision as best as possible.”

[EasternOHBillsFan]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

The odds makers disagree. The Chiefs have the highest odds right now at +500, which is an applied probability of 16.7%.

 

Even the best teams have a mountain to climb to make and win a superbowl. That's why teams rarely repeat. They sometimes do, but it is rare.

 

Odds change... Josh Allen's MVP odds have fallen off the cliff since preseason. I'm still taking the Chiefs to repeat as AFC Champions, and at +500 it's even better.

[Bob Jones]

1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said:

Why do you have such glowing confidence in the other teams and have no confidence in the Bills? 

I really don’t have “confidence” in other teams, but I did make some posts yesterday and today based on my observations of yesterday’s games.

 

As far as the Bills go, there’s a saying of “When somebody shows you who they are, believe them.” For the past 5 games, the Bills have shown us who they are. Until their actions change (hopefully tonight), we can only believe what they keep showing us.

[starrymessenger]

Anything is still possible. Its a week to week league. What's important is who has their stuff together come playoff time. I would have thought that the Bills would be exactly the kind of team that could go on a run (or crap out). No Milano, White, Jones is what gets me down.

[90sBills]

9 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

Odds change... Josh Allen's MVP odds have fallen off the cliff since preseason. I'm still taking the Chiefs to repeat as AFC Champions, and at +500 it's even better.

KC has the best chance according to Vegas to represent the AFC in the Superbowl at +235. They also have the best chance to win the Superbowl at +450. These are current odds according to Vegas.

 

I also agree with you that they have the best chance at this time. Things change quickly in the NFL though. 

[Hermes]

5 hours ago, Big Turk said:

The truth is the Bills margin for error is at it's slimmest margin since 2020.  Teams no longer even have to play their best game or have the Bills make tons of stupid mistakes/penalties/etc to be able to beat us.  Now the Bills can actually play decent enough without TO's and still just lose.  

 

 

I mean, if you look at the last few games the Bills have been the ones who've put themselves in a bad position countless times. They've beaten themselves more than the opposition has beaten then and if you think different then you're not watching the games.

 

Sure, they've been disappointing, but to say they've been outmatched is pointedly wrong. Though, I'm sure your expert analysis is spot-on and I'm way off base here, but the Bills have done everything you've said they haven't and still lost close games.

 

If they're as bad as you claim, these would've been blowout losses.

Edited November 14, 2023 by Hermes