2024 Salary Cap

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

1 hour ago, Aussie Joe said:

Yeah… but some changes are going to need to be made to free us some dollars..

 

It is but I'm not sure I want to take that big of a downgrade in front of Allen. Morse is the 7th highest paid C in the league at 9.75M, I'm sure we could do better even in the 5M range imo. 

[Caesar]

27 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

Listen, I know that your team won on Sunday, but I have a name for you. Billy Price. 

Im not sure of your intentions with this comment?  Billy Price was the backup center we traded for BJ Hill who was also a backup.  Price was just one of many horrible draft picks we had for about a decade.    My comment was in response to Ed's statements regarding "fire sale" trades, which a smart team would have done, but that wasn't us.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Caesar

[Aussie Joe]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

It is but I'm not sure I want to take that big of a downgrade in front of Allen. Morse is the 7th highest paid C in the league at 9.75M, I'm sure we could do better even in the 5M range imo. 

Fair enough … your entitled to your opinion…

 

I don’t know who else they are getting next year at $5m who will be an upgrade on Bates..

 

they save like $1.5m for cutting Bates next year …they gotta a lot of problems next year and this one probably isn’t even in the Top 5 in my view,,,

 

draft someone Day 3 and hope between that and Bates

they can get it done for 12 months  …gotta take a few risks somewhere 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Aussie Joe

[John from Riverside]

Something is going to happen with treys contract

 

He is either going to have to take a severe pay cut or he’s going to be released

 

ACL injury on one side, Achilles injury on the other side and he has shown the propensity to take a long time to get his confidence back

 

The Rasul Douglas acquisition just made that even more apparent to me

[GoBills808]

2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

We never really had that rookie window because it took Josh two whole seasons to become a franchise QB. Meanwhile, Burrow goes to the SB in year two. That’s the problem with drafting a project, and Beane keeps drafting projects.

Nah Bengals didn't ***** around like the Bills did is all

 

Burrow walked into AJ Green and Boyd plus a first rounder spent on Higgins, then another the following year on Chase

 

Allen's intro to the league was courtesy of Deonte Thompson and Victor Bolden Jr

[Dubie54]

2 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

We never really had that rookie window because it took Josh two whole seasons to become a franchise QB. Meanwhile, Burrow goes to the SB in year two. That’s the problem with drafting a project, and Beane keeps drafting projects.

"Drafting a project" - is that what you're calling Josh, a project? Check his stats out since he entered the league - are those project stats?

15 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Fair enough … your entitled to your opinion…

 

I don’t know who else they are getting next year at $5m who will be an upgrade on Bates..

 

they save like $1.5m for cutting Bates next year …they gotta a lot of problems next year and this one probably isn’t even in the Top 5 in my view,,,

 

draft someone Day 3 and hope between that and Bates

they can get it done for 12 months  …gotta take a few risks somewhere 

Bates is a solid value player. Can he be the guy in the middle for an entire season, not sure on that one. They should be able to get a good value draft pick and possibly pick up another vet at a reasonable price to add to the mix.

[Low Positive]

18 minutes ago, Caesar said:

Im not sure of your intentions with this comment?  Billy Price was the backup center we traded for BJ Hill who was also a backup.  Price was just one of many horrible draft picks we had for about a decade.    My comment was in response to Ed's statements regarding "fire sale" trades, which a smart team would have done, but that wasn't us.

My point is that Moe Eggar was laughing out loud at the Bills for drafting Allen the same year that the Bengals took draft bust Price. I know this because i heard it all on my drive from Finneytown to Oxford.

[Mikie2times]

54 minutes ago, Caesar said:

Bengals very rarely trade.  They had a preseason trade a couple years ago for BJ Hill who was a backup for a backup center.  We have had only 2 in-season trades in the last 50 years, both players were upset and demanded trades; Dunlap & Palmer.

The Benglas value draft choices more than gold, despite the fact that for 12 seasons prior to Burrow the drafting was pathetically awful.  The Bengals disdain for trades is mind-numing pathetic to their fanbase.   We could have used a RB, DT and TE.... we made no calls, took no calls while Beane picked up all 3.  Fans are less vocal the last couple of seasons because of the current success, but for decades prior we experienced nonstop criminally bad front office and ownership decisions.

Well your owner isn't exactly able to play the kind of games the mega wealthy owners are. We had the same situation for years with Ralph. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Mikie2times

[Dubie54]

1 hour ago, WickedGame said:

Just a wild guess here, but anyone think Rasul Douglas could be a long-term answer at safety?
 

We obviously have to replace at least one, maybe two. Douglas has a fairly high cap hit next year, but if the team likes what he brings, they could lower that with a 2- to 3-year extension.

 

Poyer and Hyde were both converted CBs…there’s precedent. 
 

Thoughts?

I had seen something about the possible Douglas transition to safety when he was first signed here. Can't recall the source, but it mentioned him as a definite safety possibility longer term in his career.

[Riverboat Ritchie]

2 hours ago, MPL said:

I'm not even sure I'd be confident that Poyer or Hyde would be able to give you a full season next year. I'm afraid Poyer's arm is going to fall off every time he makes a tackle, and Hyde seems like he could be one unlucky hit away from being done for good (and luck has not been on our side as of late). 

I really hope Hyde hangs them up after this year for his and Bills sake. I would hate for us to be tempted to bring him back and personally it seems like he is one hit away from being truly physically broken. Both him and Poyer have been amazing to watch but it’s time

[Caesar]

11 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

My point is that Moe Eggar was laughing out loud at the Bills for drafting Allen the same year that the Bengals took draft bust Price. I know this because i heard it all on my drive from Finneytown to Oxford.

And?  Did you miss the part in which I said we sucked a$$ for multiple years in the draft?  Price was just one of many.  Im trashing the Benglas and you are still trying to be ***** with me? 

[Aussie Joe]

26 minutes ago, Dubie54 said:

 

Bates is a solid value player. Can he be the guy in the middle for an entire season, not sure on that one. They should be able to get a good value draft pick and possibly pick up another vet at a reasonable price to add to the mix.

Well… I’m not sure either … but I just see bigger problems elsewhere that need to be addressed before this one …

 

Early draft picks need to be spent at WR and T in my view ….

 

Need another WR in FA…

D Line is thin next year ….(DT as well as DE) 

 

At least 1 safety will need to be replaced .. if not both…

 

Whats a reasonable price for Bates replacement? It’s easier said then done that you can upgrade him on the cheap…

 

 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Aussie Joe

[Caesar]

12 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Well your owner isn't exactly able to play the kind of games the mega wealthy owners are. We had the same situation for years with Ralph. 

We never restructure, and very very rarely offer multi-year guarantees which has cost us numerous free agents.  Mike Brown is on his last leg and we have been improving the last couple of years with him backing off, however even when he is gone we will still be the least wealthiest club and very limited. 

[Mikie2times]

7 minutes ago, Caesar said:

We never restructure, and very very rarely offer multi-year guarantees which has cost us numerous free agents.  Mike Brown is on his last leg and we have been improving the last couple of years with him backing off, however even when he is gone we will still be the least wealthiest club and very limited. 

Ya...We got really lucky with Terry. We have been used to hard steak as long as basically any of us have been alive. Now it's filets all day. I want to say I hope the same for you guys but lets be honest 😂

[Dubie54]

9 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Well… I’m not sure either … but I just see bigger problems elsewhere that need to be addressed before this one …

 

Early draft picks need to be spent at WR and T in my view ….

 

Need another WR in FA…

D Line is thin next year ….

 

At least 1 safety will need to be replaced .. if not both…

 

Whats a reasonable price for Bates replacement? It’s easier said then done that you can upgrade him on the cheap…

 

 

Have no idea. But I do think the Morse cap hit of $11.5m is one that is ripe for dealing with. If we cut him it's still a $3m hit, but we may be able to find a 4/5th round center option and possibly pick up a vet for $4m and come out of it by saving a few bucks to be used elsewhere.  

 

Agree with all of your other priorities.

[MPL]

23 minutes ago, Riverboat Ritchie said:

I really hope Hyde hangs them up after this year for his and Bills sake. I would hate for us to be tempted to bring him back and personally it seems like he is one hit away from being truly physically broken. Both him and Poyer have been amazing to watch but it’s time

Yeah, I've really enjoyed watching so many of these guys on this roster play over the past 5-6 years. It really is starting to feel like the end for this version of the Bills. This group of players have been so easy and fun to root for that it really is a drag that they didn't get it done (maybe a miracle happens this year?). Regardless, it's been fun and I'm grateful for that.  

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, Dubie54 said:

Have no idea. But I do think the Morse cap hit of $11.5m is one that is ripe for dealing with. If we cut him it's still a $3m hit, but we may be able to find a 4/5th round center option and possibly pick up a vet for $4m and come out of it by saving a few bucks to be used elsewhere.  

 

Agree with all of your other priorities.

I completely agree that they will be forced to move on from Morse …to get that money back …but I’m arguing here that they will have to try to hold it down at C with Bates and that 4/5th Round pick for 12 months given all their other problems 

 

 Not ideal… by any means …

 

Just looking further at the The D line … they only have like Oliver, Groot , Miller and Kingsley Jonathan under contract next year…so money and some picks are going to be needed to be spent here .,

 

 

[HIT BY SPIKES]

5 hours ago, FrenchConnection said:

Bates is Morse’s replacement so we have to keep one of them.

Bates is not and never will be a starting OL on any good NFL team.

[78thealltimegreat]

5 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Right, but if we don’t have Bates, we still have to find someone and pay them to play Center.  Bates is at a pretty good price for what we’d have to pay a decent center from elsewhere, unless we find someone in the draft.  I don’t think we will want to re-sign Hyde bc of age and Poyer might be done too, but we will still need FS and SS replacements, so didn’t know if you had contemplated who that might be.

McGovern was the center in Dallas he can easily slide inside you’ll need another guard but that should be too much of an issue 

[Aussie Joe]

5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

McGovern was the center in Dallas he can easily slide inside you’ll need another guard but that should be too much of an issue 

He mostly played G at Dallas … maybe a game or 2 as C 

[78thealltimegreat]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

He mostly played G at Dallas … maybe a game or 2 as C 

Yeh he started all three interior positions on the line so wouldn’t surprise me if Morse retires they slide McGovern to center and bring in a new left guard 

[Aussie Joe]

1 minute ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Yeh he started all three interior positions on the line so wouldn’t surprise me if Morse retires they slide McGovern to center and bring in a new left guard 

Just keep McGovern where he is  … instead of having two potential issues 

[Richard Noggin]

Why is there an insistent Bengals fan presence in this thread about the Bills salary cap situation? I generally cherish having access to a diversity of perspectives and voices on a given issue, but I find it tedious af to see discussions sidetracked by a specific rival fan's contributions. Which is completely separate from my favorably ambivalent feelings about this particular poster's persona in general. 

[Mikie2times]

Just to make sure all are on the same page. It also makes you boot players that have expiring contracts. I do not believe we will sign Floyd, Hyde, or Settle (Maybe Hyde on super discount). I do believe we will sign Jones. The main point I'm making is after this exercise we have 36 signed players and are only about 5 million under. So this won't be enough. Additions of any kind will be very difficult and you can see the depth is a serious issue.   

[Richard Noggin]

25 minutes ago, Mikie2times said:

Just to make sure all are on the same page. It also makes you boot players that have expiring contracts. I do not believe we will sign Floyd, Hyde, or Settle (Maybe Hyde on super discount). I do believe we will sign Jones. The main point I'm making is after this exercise we have 36 signed players and are only about 5 million under. So this won't be enough. Additions of any kind will be very difficult and you can see the depth is a serious issue.   

 

It will obviously take some significant restructures (Diggs and Allen go a LONG way there) to get the cap in order next season, beyond the potential cuts. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by Richard Noggin

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Just keep McGovern where he is  … instead of having two potential issues 

They will
Bates will go to center

[78thealltimegreat]

7 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Just keep McGovern where he is  … instead of having two potential issues 

What are you going to do start Ryan Bates?

[Paup 1995MVP]

14 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Right, but if we don’t have Bates, we still have to find someone and pay them to play Center.  Bates is at a pretty good price for what we’d have to pay a decent center from elsewhere, unless we find someone in the draft.  I don’t think we will want to re-sign Hyde bc of age and Poyer might be done too, but we will still need FS and SS replacements, so didn’t know if you had contemplated who that might be.

Hyde and Poyer are slow and beat up.  They play hard but neither can cover anymore.  We need to find some young safeties that can play.  No team has 2 starting safeties that are 33 years old.  That is part of our problem.  We need young talent.  

6 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

They will
Bates will go to center

Is Bates good enough to be a starting NFL center and anchor a good NFL O line is the big question ?

[May Day 10]

I have said it before, but IMO the Bills should really consider a 'down year' to reset the cap.  Probably rely on a lot of low-priced replacement level plugs.  

 

Even with that and Josh Allen (and a schedule that looks not that daunting as of now), they could probably challenge for the playoffs.  

 

Then in 2025 on, have money to spend in the right places and pay the right people.  

 

Right now we constantly have gobs of money on IR, and lots of old and slow (and aging) guys eating cap.  

[Matt_In_NH]

12 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Next season is another re-tooling and fat trimming. 

What do you mean by another its not like they have been doing this?   I think the OP has some likely moves but that barely gets the Bills under the cap and there will be lots of holes to fill.  The numbers work but who are the safeties?  Who are the DT's?  #2, #4, #5 WR?

[Dubie54]

We’re paying Linval Joseph the outrageous amount of $522k for the remainder of the season. Can that be right! If it is, and he continues to make a few timely plays a game, that could be a steal.

[The Jokeman]

14 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Will be interesting to see what they plan on doing with Rasul Douglas. I believe he's a 9M cap hit next year...with no guarantees. Maybe an extension lowers that number a fair amount...or if he doesn't do well the rest of the year we can walk at no cost.

I have to think Beane sees him as more than a rental being he still has contract left. I think he ultimately replaces Tre assuming he plays well to finish out the season and will get an extension to keep him around for 2-3 more seasons. The question to me is who replaces Hyde/Power. I don't mind keeping Rapp to replace Poyer but replacing Hyde might be more difficult. 

8 hours ago, Mikie2times said:

Just to make sure all are on the same page. It also makes you boot players that have expiring contracts. I do not believe we will sign Floyd, Hyde, or Settle (Maybe Hyde on super discount). I do believe we will sign Jones. The main point I'm making is after this exercise we have 36 signed players and are only about 5 million under. So this won't be enough. Additions of any kind will be very difficult and you can see the depth is a serious issue.   

Maybe that's why Beane is trying to acquire more draft picks (see cheap depth) 

[colin]

8 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

I have said it before, but IMO the Bills should really consider a 'down year' to reset the cap.  Probably rely on a lot of low-priced replacement level plugs.  

 

Even with that and Josh Allen (and a schedule that looks not that daunting as of now), they could probably challenge for the playoffs.  

 

Then in 2025 on, have money to spend in the right places and pay the right people.  

 

Right now we constantly have gobs of money on IR, and lots of old and slow (and aging) guys eating cap.  

 

our low dollar guys seem to perform at the same level as our expensive guys.

 

rookie DK is way better than 10++ non catching tight end DKnox, rookie shakir is better than anyone at wr not on a rook contract with a name other than diggs, late additin vet joeseph is better than settle, or ford.  it's a joke what we do w our picks and cap.  

[Gunsgoodtime]

Just now, colin said:

 

our low dollar guys seem to perform at the same level as our expensive guys.

 

rookie DK is way better than 10++ non catching tight end DKnox, rookie shakir is better than anyone at wr not on a rook contract with a name other than diggs, late additin vet joeseph is better than settle, or ford.  it's a joke what we do w our picks and cap.  

It's exactly why we are in the situation we are. Beane has failed.  He hit the lottery with Josh Allen and pretty much ***** the bed everywhere else and put us in cap hell.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

11 hours ago, Caesar said:

Bengals very rarely trade.  They had a preseason trade a couple years ago for BJ Hill who was a backup for a backup center.  We have had only 2 in-season trades in the last 50 years, both players were upset and demanded trades; Dunlap & Palmer.

The Benglas value draft choices more than gold, despite the fact that for 12 seasons prior to Burrow the drafting was pathetically awful.  The Bengals disdain for trades is mind-numing pathetic to their fanbase.   We could have used a RB, DT and TE.... we made no calls, took no calls while Beane picked up all 3.  Fans are less vocal the last couple of seasons because of the current success, but for decades prior we experienced nonstop criminally bad front office and ownership decisions.

 

Agree Bengals were a train wreck for a long time, worse even the the Bills.

 

Actually didn't Buffalo trade one of their tackles to the Bengals and allowed them to move up in draft.  Was one of the picks indirectly used to get Allen.  My post wasn't just referring to in season trades.  I was more implying they may have traded off players for more picks to rebuild.

[Gunsgoodtime]

3 minutes ago, Gunsgoodtime said:

It's exactly why we are in the situation we are. Beane has failed.  He hit the lottery with Josh Allen and pretty much ***** the bed everywhere else and put us in cap hell.  I'm not so sure McDermott don't have something to do with that

 

[TheWeatherMan]

13 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

 

That is a massive downgrade.

Not really.  Doesn’t matter how good your center is if everyone around them sucks 🫏 🏀 🏈 

[strive_for_five_guy]

41 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

Hyde and Poyer are slow and beat up.  They play hard but neither can cover anymore.  We need to find some young safeties that can play.  No team has 2 starting safeties that are 33 years old.  That is part of our problem.  We need young talent.  

Completely agree.  My hope is at least one of those replacements is already on the roster, in maybe a guy like Benford or Douglas, but either way, they need to get younger in their defense backfield and have holes they need to fill.  Taron Johnson’s quickness won’t last forever either.  They really need to hope the light can go on for Elam soon. 

[BearNorth]

I wonder if the market will ever correct for the lofty QB dollars.  It seems that if you hit on a QB early [e.g. Mahomes, Wilson] that you can build a decent team around them, but once the non-rookie contract kicks in, except if you are Andy Reed, you can't afford much of a complimentary cast.

 

Brady took below market dollars for years, but I doubt any agent these days is going to allow a promising QB to take anything less than top dollar for their second contract.

 

 

[brianthomas]

15 hours ago, ganesh said:

Plus Epenesa will hit FA.  We will then be down to only Groot as a pass rusher.   this team is in a mess.

its insane seeing all the draft capital we've spent on the dline, only to still need to draft dline bcuz the guys we've drafted suck.

Definition of insanity comes to mind here. Perhaps we should just trade or go to FA for our dline, since we're incapable of drafting for the position? Floyd stands out from all the guys we've brought in, (Von excluded but even that is worrisome atm) but what do we have to show for the years of drafting for the position?

Theres plenty of other areas we could use our draft capital on, for other needs. Perhaps we'll have better luck drafting for those?

Also the extensions Beane has handed out have handcuffed this roster. Dawson Knox didnt need an extension when we gave him one for instance. Ed Oliver etc.

Its hard to expect the people who created this mess are capable of rectifying it. Time will tell i suppose. GO BILLS